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In reply to the discussion: NYMag: Bernie Sanders's BEZOS Bill Would Hurt the Working Class, Not the Rich [View all]JHan
(10,173 posts)8. Now Sanders' policy adviser has decided to smear the CBPP
Remnants of 2016.
Link to tweet
Anyone who dares, just dares to point out ANY policy flaw of Sanders, is slandered as a corporate shill... as usual ....
And I shouldn't be wary of populists?
The CBPP has done stellar work for decades analyzing the impact of policies on the poor and middle class. They raise valid concerns and are immediately tarnished by a Sanders aide as being compromised.
Gunnels doesn't actually address any of those valid concerns, in one of the tweet replies, he even contradicts himself:
"Its absurd to think this bill will spur CEOs to lobby for cuts to the social safety net. News flash: CEOs have been lobbying to privatize or cut Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and virtually every other program benefiting the working class since the 1930s." -
Not all corporations are the Koch Brothers. Fact is, Corporations have been happy to have Government take up the slack.
Gunnels logic: it's absurd to think CEO's will lobby cuts to the social safety net, but on the other hand, they've been lobbying for cuts to the safety net since the 1930's. ------Impressive how he manages to make CBPP's point without realizing it.
In another tweet reply he argues that Sanders' history of sponsoring and co-sponsoring progressive bills are evidence that we should ignore CBPP's concerns and not approach this as if we were in a "policy vacuum" ( whatever this means). The problem here is, Sanders has no bona fides since these bills never passed Warren
Gunnel then misconstrues valid points about the impact of the bill on workers who depend on public assistance as some kind of stigmatization of poor people. Then he taps into populist outrage by declaring how bad all these billionaires are and we really oughta show them when grievance should never be the impetus of legislation. Pointing fingers at the chosen enemies of the Populist should never be the point of legislation. Legislation is implemented to improve conditions, not blame individuals.
Of course, this bill won't be passed. Thoughtful legislators will raise the same concerns the CBPP did, and be slandered for doing so. We'll then hear for two years how Sanders didn't get his bill passed because of "the establishment".
2016 redux.
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NYMag: Bernie Sanders's BEZOS Bill Would Hurt the Working Class, Not the Rich [View all]
ehrnst
Sep 2018
OP
Did you have the same beef with some of the ACA provisions only applying to large corporations?
Hassin Bin Sober
Sep 2018
#38
That's totally different. If I read the summaries of the bill (I don't know if the full text and..
George II
Sep 2018
#91
It has to do with whether treating large corporations differently than small is legal or not.
PoliticAverse
Sep 2018
#156
I just wonder why some immediately throw out the ACA when this discussion comes up....
George II
Sep 2018
#147
Because (1) it's probably the most important new legislation in the last decade.
PoliticAverse
Sep 2018
#157
Ahem, it's not "legislation", it's proposed legislation which I don't even know has been....
George II
Sep 2018
#159
It might be the most misguided, least well-thought-out "progressive" legislation in the last decade.
pnwmom
Sep 2018
#160
Whether it is a good idea or not and whether it is "legal" are different issues. n/t
PoliticAverse
Sep 2018
#162
The ACA treats large corporations differently than small. You agree doing so is legal, right?
PoliticAverse
Sep 2018
#155
Certainly not if those who criticize Amazon continue to support them financially by allowing them...
George II
Sep 2018
#150
The Clinton health care plan was basically torpedoed by Bernie and republicans
Blue_true
Sep 2018
#121
She basically kissed his behind to get him fully behind the healthcare iniative.
Blue_true
Sep 2018
#128
I pointed out that republicans sunk the plan, Bernie didn't help give it support in Congress. nt
Blue_true
Sep 2018
#134
No, you said, "The Clinton health care plan was basically torpedoed by Bernie and republicans"
progressoid
Sep 2018
#179
"Anyone who disagrees with me is the enemy" - Even when they're acting in good faith.
JHan
Sep 2018
#11
2 Million dollars aint nothing. I'm sure the organization is doing legitimate work, but regardless,
JCanete
Sep 2018
#152
Have you sorted out in your head that Senator Blumenthal and Cornyn don't look alike yet?
JHan
Sep 2018
#12
Never apologized for that thread either, as far as I know. Or admitted he was wrong.
emulatorloo
Sep 2018
#15
You probably also think that Kaiser Family Foundation is "owned" by Kaiser Permanente...
ehrnst
Sep 2018
#63
You realize you have zero credibility here with your dubious past performance.
honest.abe
Sep 2018
#71
No, it's not owned by Walmart. And the President Emeritus is Marian Wright Edelman.
pnwmom
Sep 2018
#163
You seem to be unaware of a few things that Gunnels is counting on you not knowing
ehrnst
Sep 2018
#194
Wouldn't raising the minimum wage to a living wage for large corporations do the same thing?
Yavin4
Sep 2018
#24
Then conservadems and conservatives would scream bloody murder you are hurting mom and pop business
Hassin Bin Sober
Sep 2018
#32
Ditto - along with well crafted legislation that actually passes and helps people
ehrnst
Sep 2018
#45
Here. Just for you. I guess I assumed too much that this wouldn't be news here.
Hassin Bin Sober
Sep 2018
#46
OK that's half. A cut and paste is a start, but certainly not a support for your claim.
ehrnst
Sep 2018
#55
That's entirely different from what this so-called "BEZOS Bill" is attempting to do. But....
George II
Sep 2018
#81
Didn't see this at first so just asked exactly the same question. And yet those who wish to....
George II
Sep 2018
#80
That insult is intended to send progressives that don't worship Bernie running for the hills.
Blue_true
Sep 2018
#75
That's not going to happen to me - I've been a Democrat since Sanders was a member...
George II
Sep 2018
#112
I agree. You are not running a viable business if you can't pay more than minimum wage.
Hassin Bin Sober
Sep 2018
#58
"You are not running a viable business if you can't pay more than minimum wage"...
George II
Sep 2018
#84
Do all workers deserve the benefits of the ACA and all the other protections that only apply....
Hassin Bin Sober
Sep 2018
#49
You claimed that Bernie is pushing for this because small businesses are some kind of third rail.
kcr
Sep 2018
#50
You keep trying to compare this legislation to the ACA, and it's just not working.
ehrnst
Sep 2018
#56
I just assume they mean Manchin: this one guy somehow means there and lots and lots
betsuni
Sep 2018
#142
Like it or not, Joe Manchin IS a Democrat, and he votes with Democrats more than....
George II
Sep 2018
#145
These people haven't spent a day of their life thinking about how the real world works.
joshcryer
Sep 2018
#115
There must be some sort of adrenaline rush that comes from "fighting the power"...
NurseJackie
Sep 2018
#119
Lol. You are saying snap recipient benefit information is on a piece of paper in a file cabinet...
Hassin Bin Sober
Sep 2018
#132
OK, what will cure the rich of their affluenza? Let's hear what the CBPP has to say.
ck4829
Sep 2018
#27
Well, stigmatizing benefits and the people who receive them certainly won't help
emulatorloo
Sep 2018
#54
You really think THIS is going cause corporate mouthpiece organizations like the US Chamber...
Hassin Bin Sober
Sep 2018
#57
I posted an answer to another poster's question. Not interested in engaging with you. n/t
emulatorloo
Sep 2018
#64
You don't have to engage with me. But post some ridiculous assertions that THIS ...
Hassin Bin Sober
Sep 2018
#66
wait...what is an independant non-partisan thinktank? One that is funded out of one's own piggy
JCanete
Sep 2018
#96
I didn't say it meant that they had a say. Oddly enough it is levied against TYT here often
JCanete
Sep 2018
#108
That's a good point...they have to get their employees from somewhere. But it is still a
JCanete
Sep 2018
#122