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Eliot Rosewater

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95. conservadems is a ATTACK on democrats, it must NOT be tolerated here

Reply to ehrnst (Reply #55)

Fri Sep 7, 2018, 01:14 PM

Sep 2018

It comes direct from GOP and KGB land.

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NYMag: Bernie Sanders's BEZOS Bill Would Hurt the Working Class, Not the Rich [View all] ehrnst Sep 2018 OP

And why should a law like this apply only to large corporations? pnwmom Sep 2018 #1

Good point. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2018 #6

Did you have the same beef with some of the ACA provisions only applying to large corporations? Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2018 #38

This law applies only to large corporations. pnwmom Sep 2018 #41

Well if you put it that way... Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2018 #42

You keep trying to make the "Bezos bill is like the ACA" happen. ehrnst Sep 2018 #87

I personally don't think that's even legal - George II Sep 2018 #78

It certainly is legal dsc Sep 2018 #89

That's totally different. If I read the summaries of the bill (I don't know if the full text and.. George II Sep 2018 #91

That concerns the size, not type, of business. ehrnst Sep 2018 #176

You don't think the Affordable Care Act is legal? n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2018 #102

What does that have to do with this? We're talking about the BEZOS bill. George II Sep 2018 #106

It has to do with whether treating large corporations differently than small is legal or not. PoliticAverse Sep 2018 #156

As some like to say around here, "straw man"! George II Sep 2018 #158

No, it's not whether it's legal or not. It's whether it's STUPID or not. pnwmom Sep 2018 #164

The ACA doesn't apply to only large corporations. A company with 50 employees pnwmom Sep 2018 #135

I just wonder why some immediately throw out the ACA when this discussion comes up.... George II Sep 2018 #147

Because (1) it's probably the most important new legislation in the last decade. PoliticAverse Sep 2018 #157

Ahem, it's not "legislation", it's proposed legislation which I don't even know has been.... George II Sep 2018 #159

It might be the most misguided, least well-thought-out "progressive" legislation in the last decade. pnwmom Sep 2018 #160

Whether it is a good idea or not and whether it is "legal" are different issues. n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2018 #162

The ACA treats large corporations differently than small. You agree doing so is legal, right? PoliticAverse Sep 2018 #155

K&R Andy823 Sep 2018 #117

Agreed. LiberalFighter Sep 2018 #140

KICK! Cha Sep 2018 #2

Some thought put into it is good treestar Sep 2018 #3

But that doesn't give one a dragon to slay, does it? ehrnst Sep 2018 #21

We can do both. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2018 #68

There's a difference between serious legislation ehrnst Sep 2018 #85

+1,000,000 George II Sep 2018 #94

If he really has a "voice" and wants to hit at both Amazon and Walmart.... George II Sep 2018 #93

Amazon is not going away. joshcryer Sep 2018 #124

Certainly not if those who criticize Amazon continue to support them financially by allowing them... George II Sep 2018 #150

Often Bernie doesn't seem to consider consequences. Blue_true Sep 2018 #73

What health care proposals did Bernie "torpedo"? SkyDancer Sep 2018 #103

{crickets} QC Sep 2018 #104

Is this the new talking point now? SkyDancer Sep 2018 #109

The Clinton health care plan was basically torpedoed by Bernie and republicans Blue_true Sep 2018 #121

WATCH OUT, HILLARY!! HE'S GOT A TORPEDO!!! QC Sep 2018 #127

She basically kissed his behind to get him fully behind the healthcare iniative. Blue_true Sep 2018 #128

The Clinton plan never made it to the House or Senate floor, QC Sep 2018 #129

She needed people like Bernie to get fully behind it. Blue_true Sep 2018 #133

I pointed out that republicans sunk the plan, Bernie didn't help give it support in Congress. nt Blue_true Sep 2018 #134

No, you said, "The Clinton health care plan was basically torpedoed by Bernie and republicans" progressoid Sep 2018 #179

I should have put republicans before Bernie. Blue_true Sep 2018 #180

This bill was envisioned by its name. joshcryer Sep 2018 #113

It is a poorly thought out, even foolish bill. Blue_true Sep 2018 #123

The bill would require workers to disclose their assistance needs. joshcryer Sep 2018 #126

Yes, it is a dumb approach manor321 Sep 2018 #4

It's an approach based in tunnel vision. ehrnst Sep 2018 #5

Fighting for things that CAN happen, makes more sense. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #90

K&R mcar Sep 2018 #7

Now Sanders' policy adviser has decided to smear the CBPP JHan Sep 2018 #8

Yeah, the inevitable lashing out at any analysis that doesn't support Sanders ehrnst Sep 2018 #9

"Anyone who disagrees with me is the enemy" - Even when they're acting in good faith. JHan Sep 2018 #11

I think that the purpose of writing the bill wasn't getting it to pass. ehrnst Sep 2018 #17

"Anger brings in $$.." - word. JHan Sep 2018 #33

A Dollar Fifty For A Candidate & A Dollar Fifty For Him Me. Sep 2018 #53

Well, Tad Devine's got to be paid somehow. ehrnst Sep 2018 #62

After All Ten Million Is Ten Million Me. Sep 2018 #69

+1 betsuni Sep 2018 #138

That twitter thread is interesting ismnotwasm Sep 2018 #51

isn't it just. JHan Sep 2018 #59

This bill is just a talking point BS thing. joshcryer Sep 2018 #111

++ it is fucked up. JHan Sep 2018 #137

2 Million dollars aint nothing. I'm sure the organization is doing legitimate work, but regardless, JCanete Sep 2018 #152

"2 million dollars ain't nothing" JHan Sep 2018 #153

CBPP is owned by Walmart SkyDancer Sep 2018 #10

Have you sorted out in your head that Senator Blumenthal and Cornyn don't look alike yet? JHan Sep 2018 #12

!!! SidDithers Sep 2018 #14

Never apologized for that thread either, as far as I know. Or admitted he was wrong. emulatorloo Sep 2018 #15

Never admit any mistake - just double down or refuse to discuss it further.... ehrnst Sep 2018 #22

self censor...oops, careful Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #83

+ infinity ismnotwasm Sep 2018 #48

Daaaamn! NurseJackie Sep 2018 #97

I genuinely wanted to know though lol lol lol lol lol lol lol JHan Sep 2018 #99

... mcar Sep 2018 #131

I can help: George II Sep 2018 #144

Like.. how do you even confuse the two? JHan Sep 2018 #154

Right on schedule..... ehrnst Sep 2018 #18

And Blumenthal and Cornyn are the same guy, right? ehrnst Sep 2018 #20

LOL Amimnoch Sep 2018 #23

LOL Gothmog Sep 2018 #169

This message was self-deleted by its author Gothmog Sep 2018 #170

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Sep 2018 #31

You probably also think that Kaiser Family Foundation is "owned" by Kaiser Permanente... ehrnst Sep 2018 #63

You realize you have zero credibility here with your dubious past performance. honest.abe Sep 2018 #71

No, it's not owned by Walmart. And the President Emeritus is Marian Wright Edelman. pnwmom Sep 2018 #163

You are using facts against a silly talking point Gothmog Sep 2018 #168

Yes, it is "owned" by Walmart SkyDancer Sep 2018 #174

LOL-Jared Bernstein does not work for walmart and this attack is dumb Gothmog Sep 2018 #167

Vox has a good explanation of this silly proposal Gothmog Sep 2018 #181

You seem to be unaware of a few things that Gunnels is counting on you not knowing ehrnst Sep 2018 #194

+1 betsuni Sep 2018 #195

No, this is not the right approach TheFarseer Sep 2018 #13

This whole thing seems to be not very well thought-out... NurseJackie Sep 2018 #16

Looks like some posters here are not that different from FoxNews viewers ehrnst Sep 2018 #19

Wouldn't raising the minimum wage to a living wage for large corporations do the same thing? Yavin4 Sep 2018 #24

But that's not headline grabbing - this is. And it's a great fundraising ask. ehrnst Sep 2018 #28

Then conservadems and conservatives would scream bloody murder you are hurting mom and pop business Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2018 #32

Conservadems? ehrnst Sep 2018 #34

I like the dig at the ACA, a bill that expanded health insurance and saved lives. JHan Sep 2018 #37

It's not a dig at the ACA. It's a fact. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2018 #39

It's your reconfiguration of reality. JHan Sep 2018 #40

Ditto - along with well crafted legislation that actually passes and helps people ehrnst Sep 2018 #45

Here. Just for you. I guess I assumed too much that this wouldn't be news here. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2018 #46

OK that's half. A cut and paste is a start, but certainly not a support for your claim. ehrnst Sep 2018 #55

I can't top this reply. + JHan Sep 2018 #67

conservadems is a ATTACK on democrats, it must NOT be tolerated here Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #95

Go start an Ask the Administrators thread about it. n/t QC Sep 2018 #105

Ask the Administrators? George II Sep 2018 #148

Like the old folks say, Bazinga! Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2018 #166

crickets... ehrnst Sep 2018 #65

That's entirely different from what this so-called "BEZOS Bill" is attempting to do. But.... George II Sep 2018 #81

Then you won't have any problem showing us just how they are similar. ehrnst Sep 2018 #43

The ACA was a well-thought out, carefully considered bill. pnwmom Sep 2018 #161

Didn't see this at first so just asked exactly the same question. And yet those who wish to.... George II Sep 2018 #80

lol "conservadems" JHan Sep 2018 #35

That insult is intended to send progressives that don't worship Bernie running for the hills. Blue_true Sep 2018 #75

pretty much + JHan Sep 2018 #76

That's not going to happen to me - I've been a Democrat since Sanders was a member... George II Sep 2018 #112

Why should Mom and Pop businesses get huge discounts on labor? Yavin4 Sep 2018 #36

I agree. You are not running a viable business if you can't pay more than minimum wage. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2018 #58

"You are not running a viable business if you can't pay more than minimum wage"... George II Sep 2018 #84

If that's the reason, then why is Bernie effectively pandering to them? kcr Sep 2018 #47

Do all workers deserve the benefits of the ACA and all the other protections that only apply.... Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2018 #49

You claimed that Bernie is pushing for this because small businesses are some kind of third rail. kcr Sep 2018 #50

You keep trying to compare this legislation to the ACA, and it's just not working. ehrnst Sep 2018 #56

"Conservadems"? You enjoy bashing a whole group of Democrats? George II Sep 2018 #79

I just assume they mean Manchin: this one guy somehow means there and lots and lots betsuni Sep 2018 #142

Like it or not, Joe Manchin IS a Democrat, and he votes with Democrats more than.... George II Sep 2018 #145

But he MIGHT do something bad sometime in the future. betsuni Sep 2018 #149

Yeah, but that wouldn't be "new" and "original." pnwmom Sep 2018 #98

K&R sheshe2 Sep 2018 #25

This is a dumb bill that has not chance of passing Gothmog Sep 2018 #26

Maybe it was just intended as fundraising fodder... NurseJackie Sep 2018 #30

I guess we'll soon see, won't we? (nt) ehrnst Sep 2018 #52

Of Course Me. Sep 2018 #70

These people haven't spent a day of their life thinking about how the real world works. joshcryer Sep 2018 #115

There must be some sort of adrenaline rush that comes from "fighting the power"... NurseJackie Sep 2018 #119

It's a goddamn facade. joshcryer Sep 2018 #120

But it's BS approved, so it must be great! NurseJackie Sep 2018 #125

Lol. You are saying snap recipient benefit information is on a piece of paper in a file cabinet... Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2018 #132

The SSN is the only thing they have on file at that level. joshcryer Sep 2018 #151

Why would it require disclosure? Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2018 #165

OK, what will cure the rich of their affluenza? Let's hear what the CBPP has to say. ck4829 Sep 2018 #27

What does that have to do with the CBPP analysis of this bill? ehrnst Sep 2018 #29

To start with, reversing the Trump tax cut. n/t pnwmom Sep 2018 #44

Well, stigmatizing benefits and the people who receive them certainly won't help emulatorloo Sep 2018 #54

You really think THIS is going cause corporate mouthpiece organizations like the US Chamber... Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2018 #57

What do you mean by "THIS" ehrnst Sep 2018 #60

I posted an answer to another poster's question. Not interested in engaging with you. n/t emulatorloo Sep 2018 #64

You don't have to engage with me. But post some ridiculous assertions that THIS ... Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2018 #66

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Corporate think tanks? Are you on the right thread? ehrnst Sep 2018 #86

wait...what is an independant non-partisan thinktank? One that is funded out of one's own piggy JCanete Sep 2018 #96

The definition of an independent, non partisan think tank is exactly that. ehrnst Sep 2018 #100

I didn't say it meant that they had a say. Oddly enough it is levied against TYT here often JCanete Sep 2018 #108

This "study" is just as ridiculous. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2018 #114

That's a good point...they have to get their employees from somewhere. But it is still a JCanete Sep 2018 #122

The data could easily be made anonymous. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2018 #141

Please read the text of the bill: joshcryer Sep 2018 #118

Crickets... ehrnst Sep 2018 #88

Good points. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2018 #61

If you "read what the CBPP has to say" you'll see what they have to say. joshcryer Sep 2018 #116

It's just feel-good vanity legislation that would never, ever pass anyway Blue_Tires Sep 2018 #74

My same thoughts when I first heard the proposal. With the right additional regulations I'm sure it JCanete Sep 2018 #77

K&R for visibility. lunamagica Sep 2018 #82

ehrnst, your link is incomplete and does not work, here's the full link: George II Sep 2018 #92

Thanks! That might explain a few replies that appear ehrnst Sep 2018 #101

That is why I did not vote for him .. when I rubber hits the road Le Gaucher Sep 2018 #107

lol Bernie's vehicle is so disintegrating SkyDancer Sep 2018 #110

Is that seriously the name of the bill? mcar Sep 2018 #130

I know! I feel BAD (Bothered by Acronym Decisions). betsuni Sep 2018 #136

... mcar Sep 2018 #146

what of combined income with spouse is enough to be living wage ? JI7 Sep 2018 #139

K&R betsuni Sep 2018 #143

Here are some good comments from Jared Bernstein Gothmog Sep 2018 #171

+1 oasis Sep 2018 #172

like single mothers JI7 Sep 2018 #173

Yep. ehrnst Sep 2018 #175

I never heard of this person Gothmog Sep 2018 #192

Warren Gunnels is Sanders' policy director ehrnst Sep 2018 #193

So he is employed by sanders to back up sanders' claims Gothmog Sep 2018 #196

So it's a bad idea because business wouldn't like it? ZX86 Sep 2018 #177

Did you read the OP? ehrnst Sep 2018 #178

This is a horrible plan that would not work in the real world Gothmog Sep 2018 #186

The controversy over Bernie Sanders's proposed Stop BEZOS Act, explained Gothmog Sep 2018 #182

I guess we can add Matty to the long list of "haterz"...... along with.. JHan Sep 2018 #183

Taxing benefits use is a bad idea Gothmog Sep 2018 #185

I guess Matty is a corporate shill now /sarcasm. JHan Sep 2018 #187

Is Vox owned by Walmart also? Gothmog Sep 2018 #188

Must be. There could be no other explanation why Matt did this. JHan Sep 2018 #189

I wonder if Ezra Klein knows this? Gothmog Sep 2018 #191

Is Matt "owned by Walmart" too?" ehrnst Sep 2018 #190

"Taken literally, Bernie's bill is unworkable nonsense" NurseJackie Sep 2018 #184