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121. The Clinton health care plan was basically torpedoed by Bernie and republicans

Fri Sep 7, 2018, 04:17 PM

Sep 2018

when it was put forth during Bill Clinton's first term. Bernie didn't feel that it went far enough. So lots of people that could have lived died between the Clinton effort and passage of the ACA in 2010.

To the other poster that gave the crickets insult. Were the crickets loud enough for you? I didn't post because I was busy with other affairs for the last few hours.

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NYMag: Bernie Sanders's BEZOS Bill Would Hurt the Working Class, Not the Rich [View all] ehrnst Sep 2018 OP

And why should a law like this apply only to large corporations? pnwmom Sep 2018 #1

Good point. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2018 #6

Did you have the same beef with some of the ACA provisions only applying to large corporations? Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2018 #38

This law applies only to large corporations. pnwmom Sep 2018 #41

Well if you put it that way... Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2018 #42

You keep trying to make the "Bezos bill is like the ACA" happen. ehrnst Sep 2018 #87

I personally don't think that's even legal - George II Sep 2018 #78

It certainly is legal dsc Sep 2018 #89

That's totally different. If I read the summaries of the bill (I don't know if the full text and.. George II Sep 2018 #91

That concerns the size, not type, of business. ehrnst Sep 2018 #176

You don't think the Affordable Care Act is legal? n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2018 #102

What does that have to do with this? We're talking about the BEZOS bill. George II Sep 2018 #106

It has to do with whether treating large corporations differently than small is legal or not. PoliticAverse Sep 2018 #156

As some like to say around here, "straw man"! George II Sep 2018 #158

No, it's not whether it's legal or not. It's whether it's STUPID or not. pnwmom Sep 2018 #164

The ACA doesn't apply to only large corporations. A company with 50 employees pnwmom Sep 2018 #135

I just wonder why some immediately throw out the ACA when this discussion comes up.... George II Sep 2018 #147

Because (1) it's probably the most important new legislation in the last decade. PoliticAverse Sep 2018 #157

Ahem, it's not "legislation", it's proposed legislation which I don't even know has been.... George II Sep 2018 #159

It might be the most misguided, least well-thought-out "progressive" legislation in the last decade. pnwmom Sep 2018 #160

Whether it is a good idea or not and whether it is "legal" are different issues. n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2018 #162

The ACA treats large corporations differently than small. You agree doing so is legal, right? PoliticAverse Sep 2018 #155

K&R Andy823 Sep 2018 #117

Agreed. LiberalFighter Sep 2018 #140

KICK! Cha Sep 2018 #2

Some thought put into it is good treestar Sep 2018 #3

But that doesn't give one a dragon to slay, does it? ehrnst Sep 2018 #21

We can do both. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2018 #68

There's a difference between serious legislation ehrnst Sep 2018 #85

+1,000,000 George II Sep 2018 #94

If he really has a "voice" and wants to hit at both Amazon and Walmart.... George II Sep 2018 #93

Amazon is not going away. joshcryer Sep 2018 #124

Certainly not if those who criticize Amazon continue to support them financially by allowing them... George II Sep 2018 #150

Often Bernie doesn't seem to consider consequences. Blue_true Sep 2018 #73

What health care proposals did Bernie "torpedo"? SkyDancer Sep 2018 #103

{crickets} QC Sep 2018 #104

Is this the new talking point now? SkyDancer Sep 2018 #109

The Clinton health care plan was basically torpedoed by Bernie and republicans Blue_true Sep 2018 #121

WATCH OUT, HILLARY!! HE'S GOT A TORPEDO!!! QC Sep 2018 #127

She basically kissed his behind to get him fully behind the healthcare iniative. Blue_true Sep 2018 #128

The Clinton plan never made it to the House or Senate floor, QC Sep 2018 #129

She needed people like Bernie to get fully behind it. Blue_true Sep 2018 #133

I pointed out that republicans sunk the plan, Bernie didn't help give it support in Congress. nt Blue_true Sep 2018 #134

No, you said, "The Clinton health care plan was basically torpedoed by Bernie and republicans" progressoid Sep 2018 #179

I should have put republicans before Bernie. Blue_true Sep 2018 #180

This bill was envisioned by its name. joshcryer Sep 2018 #113

It is a poorly thought out, even foolish bill. Blue_true Sep 2018 #123

The bill would require workers to disclose their assistance needs. joshcryer Sep 2018 #126

Yes, it is a dumb approach manor321 Sep 2018 #4

It's an approach based in tunnel vision. ehrnst Sep 2018 #5

Fighting for things that CAN happen, makes more sense. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #90

K&R mcar Sep 2018 #7

Now Sanders' policy adviser has decided to smear the CBPP JHan Sep 2018 #8

Yeah, the inevitable lashing out at any analysis that doesn't support Sanders ehrnst Sep 2018 #9

"Anyone who disagrees with me is the enemy" - Even when they're acting in good faith. JHan Sep 2018 #11

I think that the purpose of writing the bill wasn't getting it to pass. ehrnst Sep 2018 #17

"Anger brings in $$.." - word. JHan Sep 2018 #33

A Dollar Fifty For A Candidate & A Dollar Fifty For Him Me. Sep 2018 #53

Well, Tad Devine's got to be paid somehow. ehrnst Sep 2018 #62

After All Ten Million Is Ten Million Me. Sep 2018 #69

+1 betsuni Sep 2018 #138

That twitter thread is interesting ismnotwasm Sep 2018 #51

isn't it just. JHan Sep 2018 #59

This bill is just a talking point BS thing. joshcryer Sep 2018 #111

++ it is fucked up. JHan Sep 2018 #137

2 Million dollars aint nothing. I'm sure the organization is doing legitimate work, but regardless, JCanete Sep 2018 #152

"2 million dollars ain't nothing" JHan Sep 2018 #153

CBPP is owned by Walmart SkyDancer Sep 2018 #10

Have you sorted out in your head that Senator Blumenthal and Cornyn don't look alike yet? JHan Sep 2018 #12

!!! SidDithers Sep 2018 #14

Never apologized for that thread either, as far as I know. Or admitted he was wrong. emulatorloo Sep 2018 #15

Never admit any mistake - just double down or refuse to discuss it further.... ehrnst Sep 2018 #22

self censor...oops, careful Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #83

+ infinity ismnotwasm Sep 2018 #48

Daaaamn! NurseJackie Sep 2018 #97

I genuinely wanted to know though lol lol lol lol lol lol lol JHan Sep 2018 #99

... mcar Sep 2018 #131

I can help: George II Sep 2018 #144

Like.. how do you even confuse the two? JHan Sep 2018 #154

Right on schedule..... ehrnst Sep 2018 #18

And Blumenthal and Cornyn are the same guy, right? ehrnst Sep 2018 #20

LOL Amimnoch Sep 2018 #23

LOL Gothmog Sep 2018 #169

This message was self-deleted by its author Gothmog Sep 2018 #170

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Sep 2018 #31

You probably also think that Kaiser Family Foundation is "owned" by Kaiser Permanente... ehrnst Sep 2018 #63

You realize you have zero credibility here with your dubious past performance. honest.abe Sep 2018 #71

No, it's not owned by Walmart. And the President Emeritus is Marian Wright Edelman. pnwmom Sep 2018 #163

You are using facts against a silly talking point Gothmog Sep 2018 #168

Yes, it is "owned" by Walmart SkyDancer Sep 2018 #174

LOL-Jared Bernstein does not work for walmart and this attack is dumb Gothmog Sep 2018 #167

Vox has a good explanation of this silly proposal Gothmog Sep 2018 #181

You seem to be unaware of a few things that Gunnels is counting on you not knowing ehrnst Sep 2018 #194

+1 betsuni Sep 2018 #195

No, this is not the right approach TheFarseer Sep 2018 #13

This whole thing seems to be not very well thought-out... NurseJackie Sep 2018 #16

Looks like some posters here are not that different from FoxNews viewers ehrnst Sep 2018 #19

Wouldn't raising the minimum wage to a living wage for large corporations do the same thing? Yavin4 Sep 2018 #24

But that's not headline grabbing - this is. And it's a great fundraising ask. ehrnst Sep 2018 #28

Then conservadems and conservatives would scream bloody murder you are hurting mom and pop business Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2018 #32

Conservadems? ehrnst Sep 2018 #34

I like the dig at the ACA, a bill that expanded health insurance and saved lives. JHan Sep 2018 #37

It's not a dig at the ACA. It's a fact. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2018 #39

It's your reconfiguration of reality. JHan Sep 2018 #40

Ditto - along with well crafted legislation that actually passes and helps people ehrnst Sep 2018 #45

Here. Just for you. I guess I assumed too much that this wouldn't be news here. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2018 #46

OK that's half. A cut and paste is a start, but certainly not a support for your claim. ehrnst Sep 2018 #55

I can't top this reply. + JHan Sep 2018 #67

conservadems is a ATTACK on democrats, it must NOT be tolerated here Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #95

Go start an Ask the Administrators thread about it. n/t QC Sep 2018 #105

Ask the Administrators? George II Sep 2018 #148

Like the old folks say, Bazinga! Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2018 #166

crickets... ehrnst Sep 2018 #65

That's entirely different from what this so-called "BEZOS Bill" is attempting to do. But.... George II Sep 2018 #81

Then you won't have any problem showing us just how they are similar. ehrnst Sep 2018 #43

The ACA was a well-thought out, carefully considered bill. pnwmom Sep 2018 #161

Didn't see this at first so just asked exactly the same question. And yet those who wish to.... George II Sep 2018 #80

lol "conservadems" JHan Sep 2018 #35

That insult is intended to send progressives that don't worship Bernie running for the hills. Blue_true Sep 2018 #75

pretty much + JHan Sep 2018 #76

That's not going to happen to me - I've been a Democrat since Sanders was a member... George II Sep 2018 #112

Why should Mom and Pop businesses get huge discounts on labor? Yavin4 Sep 2018 #36

I agree. You are not running a viable business if you can't pay more than minimum wage. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2018 #58

"You are not running a viable business if you can't pay more than minimum wage"... George II Sep 2018 #84

If that's the reason, then why is Bernie effectively pandering to them? kcr Sep 2018 #47

Do all workers deserve the benefits of the ACA and all the other protections that only apply.... Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2018 #49

You claimed that Bernie is pushing for this because small businesses are some kind of third rail. kcr Sep 2018 #50

You keep trying to compare this legislation to the ACA, and it's just not working. ehrnst Sep 2018 #56

"Conservadems"? You enjoy bashing a whole group of Democrats? George II Sep 2018 #79

I just assume they mean Manchin: this one guy somehow means there and lots and lots betsuni Sep 2018 #142

Like it or not, Joe Manchin IS a Democrat, and he votes with Democrats more than.... George II Sep 2018 #145

But he MIGHT do something bad sometime in the future. betsuni Sep 2018 #149

Yeah, but that wouldn't be "new" and "original." pnwmom Sep 2018 #98

K&R sheshe2 Sep 2018 #25

This is a dumb bill that has not chance of passing Gothmog Sep 2018 #26

Maybe it was just intended as fundraising fodder... NurseJackie Sep 2018 #30

I guess we'll soon see, won't we? (nt) ehrnst Sep 2018 #52

Of Course Me. Sep 2018 #70

These people haven't spent a day of their life thinking about how the real world works. joshcryer Sep 2018 #115

There must be some sort of adrenaline rush that comes from "fighting the power"... NurseJackie Sep 2018 #119

It's a goddamn facade. joshcryer Sep 2018 #120

But it's BS approved, so it must be great! NurseJackie Sep 2018 #125

Lol. You are saying snap recipient benefit information is on a piece of paper in a file cabinet... Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2018 #132

The SSN is the only thing they have on file at that level. joshcryer Sep 2018 #151

Why would it require disclosure? Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2018 #165

OK, what will cure the rich of their affluenza? Let's hear what the CBPP has to say. ck4829 Sep 2018 #27

What does that have to do with the CBPP analysis of this bill? ehrnst Sep 2018 #29

To start with, reversing the Trump tax cut. n/t pnwmom Sep 2018 #44

Well, stigmatizing benefits and the people who receive them certainly won't help emulatorloo Sep 2018 #54

You really think THIS is going cause corporate mouthpiece organizations like the US Chamber... Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2018 #57

What do you mean by "THIS" ehrnst Sep 2018 #60

I posted an answer to another poster's question. Not interested in engaging with you. n/t emulatorloo Sep 2018 #64

You don't have to engage with me. But post some ridiculous assertions that THIS ... Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2018 #66

Post removed Post removed Sep 2018 #72

Corporate think tanks? Are you on the right thread? ehrnst Sep 2018 #86

wait...what is an independant non-partisan thinktank? One that is funded out of one's own piggy JCanete Sep 2018 #96

The definition of an independent, non partisan think tank is exactly that. ehrnst Sep 2018 #100

I didn't say it meant that they had a say. Oddly enough it is levied against TYT here often JCanete Sep 2018 #108

This "study" is just as ridiculous. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2018 #114

That's a good point...they have to get their employees from somewhere. But it is still a JCanete Sep 2018 #122

The data could easily be made anonymous. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2018 #141

Please read the text of the bill: joshcryer Sep 2018 #118

Crickets... ehrnst Sep 2018 #88

Good points. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2018 #61

If you "read what the CBPP has to say" you'll see what they have to say. joshcryer Sep 2018 #116

It's just feel-good vanity legislation that would never, ever pass anyway Blue_Tires Sep 2018 #74

My same thoughts when I first heard the proposal. With the right additional regulations I'm sure it JCanete Sep 2018 #77

K&R for visibility. lunamagica Sep 2018 #82

ehrnst, your link is incomplete and does not work, here's the full link: George II Sep 2018 #92

Thanks! That might explain a few replies that appear ehrnst Sep 2018 #101

That is why I did not vote for him .. when I rubber hits the road Le Gaucher Sep 2018 #107

lol Bernie's vehicle is so disintegrating SkyDancer Sep 2018 #110

Is that seriously the name of the bill? mcar Sep 2018 #130

I know! I feel BAD (Bothered by Acronym Decisions). betsuni Sep 2018 #136

... mcar Sep 2018 #146

what of combined income with spouse is enough to be living wage ? JI7 Sep 2018 #139

K&R betsuni Sep 2018 #143

Here are some good comments from Jared Bernstein Gothmog Sep 2018 #171

+1 oasis Sep 2018 #172

like single mothers JI7 Sep 2018 #173

Yep. ehrnst Sep 2018 #175

I never heard of this person Gothmog Sep 2018 #192

Warren Gunnels is Sanders' policy director ehrnst Sep 2018 #193

So he is employed by sanders to back up sanders' claims Gothmog Sep 2018 #196

So it's a bad idea because business wouldn't like it? ZX86 Sep 2018 #177

Did you read the OP? ehrnst Sep 2018 #178

This is a horrible plan that would not work in the real world Gothmog Sep 2018 #186

The controversy over Bernie Sanders's proposed Stop BEZOS Act, explained Gothmog Sep 2018 #182

I guess we can add Matty to the long list of "haterz"...... along with.. JHan Sep 2018 #183

Taxing benefits use is a bad idea Gothmog Sep 2018 #185

I guess Matty is a corporate shill now /sarcasm. JHan Sep 2018 #187

Is Vox owned by Walmart also? Gothmog Sep 2018 #188

Must be. There could be no other explanation why Matt did this. JHan Sep 2018 #189

I wonder if Ezra Klein knows this? Gothmog Sep 2018 #191

Is Matt "owned by Walmart" too?" ehrnst Sep 2018 #190

"Taken literally, Bernie's bill is unworkable nonsense" NurseJackie Sep 2018 #184