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91. He said the magic words Medicare-for-All.

Sat Sep 8, 2018, 07:07 PM

Sep 2018

If he had said Medicare for everybody it would not count. Must be the exact words or he never wanted health care for everybody, never occurred to him. He said Medicare-for-All and MAGIC. Open Sesame! NOW he wants health care. Like if someone wants to raise the minimum wage to $14.50. Does this mean they want the raise the minimum wage? No, it does not. If must be FIFTEEN DOLLARS. This is the magic number.

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Now that President Obama supports Medicare for All, [View all] guillaumeb Sep 2018 OP

Can we distinguish between the overall support of an idea, and the support for a specific plan.. JHan Sep 2018 #1

Lulzd. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #2

Translation: "You make an excellent point that I cannot refute or rebut." NurseJackie Sep 2018 #6

I've seen that "word" (i.e., combination of letters) used quite often here lately. George II Sep 2018 #14

I use it sometimes, sarcastically. JHan Sep 2018 #43

Lulzd George II Sep 2018 #45

haha ;) JHan Sep 2018 #47

By that same poster. Now it's predictable. Cha Sep 2018 #63

Right. Thing is I was being tongue in cheek because Obama has supported the concept a while now. JHan Sep 2018 #22

I guess it's just coincidence that the first major universal healthcare legislation has been dubbed: George II Sep 2018 #44

++++ JHan Sep 2018 #48

Or Romneycare, as it was known in Massachusetts. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #72

That was state legislation, not Federal legislation. George II Sep 2018 #80

Agreed, and I think we agree on much about this topic. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #82

So what? you're just trying to smear ACA/Obamacare with Cha Sep 2018 #117

I am simply noting that the ACA was Romneycare, and the GOP still opposed it. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #139

.. but Obama said in 2008-2009 that he supported single payer IF he could start with a clean slate. Cha Sep 2018 #130

+1 betsuni Sep 2018 #131

funniest thing I've ever ever heard you say NurseJackie. I'm going to have to go back JCanete Sep 2018 #57

Methinks you have a (not so) secret admirer! George II Sep 2018 #61

I'm irrestable. Like catnip. NurseJackie Sep 2018 #64

Hmmm..... guillaumeb Sep 2018 #71

We should. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #70

In my view it isn't ....necessarily.. JHan Sep 2018 #81

Excellent ending. And absolutely correct. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #83

Didn't Obama start with single payer for ACA? JaneQPublic Sep 2018 #3

Yep, he's been talking about "Medicare for all" for a decade or more, what he said yesterday... George II Sep 2018 #9

No actually this is the first time he explicitly endorsed Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #16

See my post #8 on this terminology. So I guess you're disappointed in John Dingell Sr.... George II Sep 2018 #31

Yes, that avoids incurring the wrath of those who will ehrnst Sep 2018 #58

Lulzd. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #60

Whatevs. ehrnst Sep 2018 #67

His address was one hour and four minutes long, mentioned universal health care for a few seconds... George II Sep 2018 #118

Yep. He wanted it but GOPers and some Dems did not. Iliyah Sep 2018 #37

No, he didn't. In fact, 2009 he stated why he would not put Single Payer forward ehrnst Sep 2018 #30

Thanks, I now remember this.../bookmarking. JHan Sep 2018 #62

Single payer has always been the goal. joshcryer Sep 2018 #69

He did. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #73

Turncoat Joe Lieberman screwed us on single payer, because it might effect his wife's part time job Meadowoak Sep 2018 #129

I don't believe medical care is a right. KentuckyWoman Sep 2018 #4

Since we all agree basic medical care should be a right, the Bronze plan is it. Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #5

Medicare isn't even a bronze plan- whereas M4A as proposed is definitely a platinum plan ehrnst Sep 2018 #32

The current system is expensive. Blue_true Sep 2018 #19

Yep, the time for starting it was the Truman administration. ehrnst Sep 2018 #35

I agree that the best approach will be a retrofit of an existing system. Blue_true Sep 2018 #107

All of those states have medicare KentuckyWoman Sep 2018 #78

What an excellent ending. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #103

You make a point. Blue_true Sep 2018 #105

states can't start single payer because they can't run defcuits like the feds can questionseverything Sep 2018 #90

Well, maybe you should have told Vermont, Colorado and California before they tried to. Blue_true Sep 2018 #101

If we can stop pretending that Democrats have not been for universal healthcare sinceway before 2016 ismnotwasm Sep 2018 #7

I suggest some "Democrats" google John Dingell Sr. George II Sep 2018 #13

Obama was in favor of "Medicare for All" (not with that specific name) since his.... George II Sep 2018 #8

That's the part that annoys me ismnotwasm Sep 2018 #10

It is all done to elevate one person to god status. Blue_true Sep 2018 #23

Yeah ismnotwasm Sep 2018 #24

Yep. sheshe2 Sep 2018 #50

See #30. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #74

Yes, and that proves my point. Thank you. George II Sep 2018 #76

I am confused. #30, speaking of Obama's views: guillaumeb Sep 2018 #79

dont be confused, they are busy re writing history questionseverything Sep 2018 #86

We can all rewrite history by our actions. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #88

Nowhere in those paragraphs does it say that Obama was NOT in favor of what is now called.... George II Sep 2018 #134

He also said: guillaumeb Sep 2018 #140

Definition of "IF"....take your pick: George II Sep 2018 #145

He said the magic words Medicare-for-All. betsuni Sep 2018 #91

Obama has ALWAYS supported universal healthcare, Hortensis Sep 2018 #11

This is his first explicit endorsement of Medicare for All. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #18

You are wrong. What became the ACA started out as an attempt to get Single Payer. Blue_true Sep 2018 #25

Nope. At best the ACA was going to have a public option. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #29

Even Sanders said pushing for Single Payer then was a bad idea. JHan Sep 2018 #46

Yes. sheshe2 Sep 2018 #53

Apparently Obama had a barrel of pixie dust to make it all happen. JHan Sep 2018 #56

Ha! sheshe2 Sep 2018 #59

apparently not for the public option either questionseverything Sep 2018 #84

The bill with public option passed the House. Lieberman wouldn't vote for it in the Senate. betsuni Sep 2018 #87

actually it was lincoln,lieberman and baccus i believe that killed it in the senate questionseverything Sep 2018 #89

What about Ben Nelson of Nebraska? He was a big holdout. nt Blue_true Sep 2018 #111

Then why does he call it a new idea? melman Sep 2018 #40

Did you listen to him, or did you hear what you wanted to hear. Blue_true Sep 2018 #49

Hey! It's You! ismnotwasm Sep 2018 #55

It's a word game. How many in this discussion have said he never supported..... George II Sep 2018 #94

That's because "Medicare for All" is a relatively new terminology for what he's been supporting.... George II Sep 2018 #33

Universal health care has been part of our party platform for 60+ years. Garrett78 Sep 2018 #12

The obstacles. Blue_true Sep 2018 #28

when we had our chance at a good healthcare bill questionseverything Sep 2018 #85

lol. Pray cite examples where the shanny Sep 2018 #109

1993. The best chance prior to the ACA. Blue_true Sep 2018 #114

There were people in Congress acting like children? shanny Sep 2018 #115

The children were far left voters that sat out the 2010 midterms. Blue_true Sep 2018 #119

Oh. I thought we were talking about universal health care shanny Sep 2018 #123

His support for that concept is no more useful than is my support for it. MineralMan Sep 2018 #15

So you have as much influence as Obama? Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #20

No, I do not. However, Barack Obama no longer holds any MineralMan Sep 2018 #21

He is a hugely influential leader. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #26

If it helps us elect Democrats, I'm all for it. MineralMan Sep 2018 #27

Reread his post, he did not say that at all. Blue_true Sep 2018 #36

Lulzd. ehrnst Sep 2018 #132

... betsuni Sep 2018 #133

Indeed. He's getting out everyone to vote - and not getting into specifics. ehrnst Sep 2018 #38

Anyone who says that is a complete idiot. MineralMan Sep 2018 #42

Indeed. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2018 #52

+1 Power 2 the People Sep 2018 #92

What "misleading rhetoric" concerning costs are you referring to? ehrnst Sep 2018 #17

Yep. France has a hybrid system, Germany has many systems.. JHan Sep 2018 #41

Now? SHRED Sep 2018 #34

The intent is to elevate one past all others. Blue_true Sep 2018 #39

And they apply their purity standards very selectively. JHan Sep 2018 #51

Yep. That enrages me too. nt Blue_true Sep 2018 #54

Yeahbut, yeahbut, yeahbut.........he's never said he supports "Medicare for All" before... George II Sep 2018 #65

See #30 guillaumeb Sep 2018 #75

Medicare is NOT single payer dansolo Sep 2018 #66

Medicare is a start. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #77

Medicare For All 100% is single payer SkyDancer Sep 2018 #93

I read Bernie's plan dansolo Sep 2018 #135

He's very clear in how it will be funded SkyDancer Sep 2018 #147

Medicare Parts A & B are single payer, aren't they? Honeycombe8 Sep 2018 #99

No, it's not single payer. greatauntoftriplets Sep 2018 #126

Oh, you mean Obamacare? And before that, Hillarycare? This is not new--for DEMOCRATS. nt Hekate Sep 2018 #68

Thank you. Their muddling is obviously intentional. nt R B Garr Sep 2018 #110

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2018 #95

Wow, a second post! johnp3907 Sep 2018 #96

I was just on a jury for that BumRushDaShow Sep 2018 #97

I was on one... Honeycombe8 Sep 2018 #98

Yes BumRushDaShow Sep 2018 #100

What's that? Honeycombe8 Sep 2018 #102

MIRT "Malicious Intruder Removal Team" BumRushDaShow Sep 2018 #104

User name was a bit of a giveaway! johnp3907 Sep 2018 #106

I didn't even see the user name BumRushDaShow Sep 2018 #108

It was Malignant Narcissist. johnp3907 Sep 2018 #112

Bwah! BumRushDaShow Sep 2018 #113

The "lefter than thou" cost Dems single payer. gulliver Sep 2018 #116

Mahalo, gulliver, for the reality on ACA/Obamacare.. Cha Sep 2018 #120

Perhaps we can all agree that Will Pitt was a jerk for calling President Obama every foul name in still_one Sep 2018 #121

The lie that Obama was against Medicare for all or public option is very very stubborn. betsuni Sep 2018 #125

I know still_one Sep 2018 #127

I just read through a long thread about this on SplinterNews betsuni Sep 2018 #128

My memory isn't what it used to be Blue_Tires Sep 2018 #122

Yes, but when the votes aren't there, you do what you can do. As Bernie Sanders said: betsuni Sep 2018 #124

This thread is just comedy gold. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2018 #136

That's not what people are saying ismnotwasm Sep 2018 #137

It is an interesting thread. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #141

I sincerely doubt that he didn't understand the GOP ismnotwasm Sep 2018 #143

Considering how blatant the racism was, and is, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #144

I agree that he went for a compromise. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2018 #148

And I have read the same thing this year, but opinion is turning guillaumeb Sep 2018 #149

If THIS is considered... CanSocDem Sep 2018 #138

Exactly. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #142

Affordability can come in steps ismnotwasm Sep 2018 #146