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117. So what? you're just trying to smear ACA/Obamacare with

Sat Sep 8, 2018, 08:14 PM

Sep 2018

"romneycare".

President Obama got a good foundation of healthcare with what he could get votes on at the time. It helped a lot of people who would otherwise not have healthcare. From what I hear saved lives, too.

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Now that President Obama supports Medicare for All, [View all] guillaumeb Sep 2018 OP

Can we distinguish between the overall support of an idea, and the support for a specific plan.. JHan Sep 2018 #1

Lulzd. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #2

Translation: "You make an excellent point that I cannot refute or rebut." NurseJackie Sep 2018 #6

I've seen that "word" (i.e., combination of letters) used quite often here lately. George II Sep 2018 #14

I use it sometimes, sarcastically. JHan Sep 2018 #43

Lulzd George II Sep 2018 #45

haha ;) JHan Sep 2018 #47

By that same poster. Now it's predictable. Cha Sep 2018 #63

Right. Thing is I was being tongue in cheek because Obama has supported the concept a while now. JHan Sep 2018 #22

I guess it's just coincidence that the first major universal healthcare legislation has been dubbed: George II Sep 2018 #44

++++ JHan Sep 2018 #48

Or Romneycare, as it was known in Massachusetts. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #72

That was state legislation, not Federal legislation. George II Sep 2018 #80

Agreed, and I think we agree on much about this topic. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #82

So what? you're just trying to smear ACA/Obamacare with Cha Sep 2018 #117

I am simply noting that the ACA was Romneycare, and the GOP still opposed it. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #139

.. but Obama said in 2008-2009 that he supported single payer IF he could start with a clean slate. Cha Sep 2018 #130

+1 betsuni Sep 2018 #131

funniest thing I've ever ever heard you say NurseJackie. I'm going to have to go back JCanete Sep 2018 #57

Methinks you have a (not so) secret admirer! George II Sep 2018 #61

I'm irrestable. Like catnip. NurseJackie Sep 2018 #64

Hmmm..... guillaumeb Sep 2018 #71

We should. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #70

In my view it isn't ....necessarily.. JHan Sep 2018 #81

Excellent ending. And absolutely correct. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #83

Didn't Obama start with single payer for ACA? JaneQPublic Sep 2018 #3

Yep, he's been talking about "Medicare for all" for a decade or more, what he said yesterday... George II Sep 2018 #9

No actually this is the first time he explicitly endorsed Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #16

See my post #8 on this terminology. So I guess you're disappointed in John Dingell Sr.... George II Sep 2018 #31

Yes, that avoids incurring the wrath of those who will ehrnst Sep 2018 #58

Lulzd. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #60

Whatevs. ehrnst Sep 2018 #67

His address was one hour and four minutes long, mentioned universal health care for a few seconds... George II Sep 2018 #118

Yep. He wanted it but GOPers and some Dems did not. Iliyah Sep 2018 #37

No, he didn't. In fact, 2009 he stated why he would not put Single Payer forward ehrnst Sep 2018 #30

Thanks, I now remember this.../bookmarking. JHan Sep 2018 #62

Single payer has always been the goal. joshcryer Sep 2018 #69

He did. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #73

Turncoat Joe Lieberman screwed us on single payer, because it might effect his wife's part time job Meadowoak Sep 2018 #129

I don't believe medical care is a right. KentuckyWoman Sep 2018 #4

Since we all agree basic medical care should be a right, the Bronze plan is it. Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #5

Medicare isn't even a bronze plan- whereas M4A as proposed is definitely a platinum plan ehrnst Sep 2018 #32

The current system is expensive. Blue_true Sep 2018 #19

Yep, the time for starting it was the Truman administration. ehrnst Sep 2018 #35

I agree that the best approach will be a retrofit of an existing system. Blue_true Sep 2018 #107

All of those states have medicare KentuckyWoman Sep 2018 #78

What an excellent ending. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #103

You make a point. Blue_true Sep 2018 #105

states can't start single payer because they can't run defcuits like the feds can questionseverything Sep 2018 #90

Well, maybe you should have told Vermont, Colorado and California before they tried to. Blue_true Sep 2018 #101

If we can stop pretending that Democrats have not been for universal healthcare sinceway before 2016 ismnotwasm Sep 2018 #7

I suggest some "Democrats" google John Dingell Sr. George II Sep 2018 #13

Obama was in favor of "Medicare for All" (not with that specific name) since his.... George II Sep 2018 #8

That's the part that annoys me ismnotwasm Sep 2018 #10

It is all done to elevate one person to god status. Blue_true Sep 2018 #23

Yeah ismnotwasm Sep 2018 #24

Yep. sheshe2 Sep 2018 #50

See #30. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #74

Yes, and that proves my point. Thank you. George II Sep 2018 #76

I am confused. #30, speaking of Obama's views: guillaumeb Sep 2018 #79

dont be confused, they are busy re writing history questionseverything Sep 2018 #86

We can all rewrite history by our actions. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #88

Nowhere in those paragraphs does it say that Obama was NOT in favor of what is now called.... George II Sep 2018 #134

He also said: guillaumeb Sep 2018 #140

Definition of "IF"....take your pick: George II Sep 2018 #145

He said the magic words Medicare-for-All. betsuni Sep 2018 #91

Obama has ALWAYS supported universal healthcare, Hortensis Sep 2018 #11

This is his first explicit endorsement of Medicare for All. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #18

You are wrong. What became the ACA started out as an attempt to get Single Payer. Blue_true Sep 2018 #25

Nope. At best the ACA was going to have a public option. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #29

Even Sanders said pushing for Single Payer then was a bad idea. JHan Sep 2018 #46

Yes. sheshe2 Sep 2018 #53

Apparently Obama had a barrel of pixie dust to make it all happen. JHan Sep 2018 #56

Ha! sheshe2 Sep 2018 #59

apparently not for the public option either questionseverything Sep 2018 #84

The bill with public option passed the House. Lieberman wouldn't vote for it in the Senate. betsuni Sep 2018 #87

actually it was lincoln,lieberman and baccus i believe that killed it in the senate questionseverything Sep 2018 #89

What about Ben Nelson of Nebraska? He was a big holdout. nt Blue_true Sep 2018 #111

Then why does he call it a new idea? melman Sep 2018 #40

Did you listen to him, or did you hear what you wanted to hear. Blue_true Sep 2018 #49

Hey! It's You! ismnotwasm Sep 2018 #55

It's a word game. How many in this discussion have said he never supported..... George II Sep 2018 #94

That's because "Medicare for All" is a relatively new terminology for what he's been supporting.... George II Sep 2018 #33

Universal health care has been part of our party platform for 60+ years. Garrett78 Sep 2018 #12

The obstacles. Blue_true Sep 2018 #28

when we had our chance at a good healthcare bill questionseverything Sep 2018 #85

lol. Pray cite examples where the shanny Sep 2018 #109

1993. The best chance prior to the ACA. Blue_true Sep 2018 #114

There were people in Congress acting like children? shanny Sep 2018 #115

The children were far left voters that sat out the 2010 midterms. Blue_true Sep 2018 #119

Oh. I thought we were talking about universal health care shanny Sep 2018 #123

His support for that concept is no more useful than is my support for it. MineralMan Sep 2018 #15

So you have as much influence as Obama? Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #20

No, I do not. However, Barack Obama no longer holds any MineralMan Sep 2018 #21

He is a hugely influential leader. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #26

If it helps us elect Democrats, I'm all for it. MineralMan Sep 2018 #27

Reread his post, he did not say that at all. Blue_true Sep 2018 #36

Lulzd. ehrnst Sep 2018 #132

... betsuni Sep 2018 #133

Indeed. He's getting out everyone to vote - and not getting into specifics. ehrnst Sep 2018 #38

Anyone who says that is a complete idiot. MineralMan Sep 2018 #42

Indeed. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2018 #52

+1 Power 2 the People Sep 2018 #92

What "misleading rhetoric" concerning costs are you referring to? ehrnst Sep 2018 #17

Yep. France has a hybrid system, Germany has many systems.. JHan Sep 2018 #41

Now? SHRED Sep 2018 #34

The intent is to elevate one past all others. Blue_true Sep 2018 #39

And they apply their purity standards very selectively. JHan Sep 2018 #51

Yep. That enrages me too. nt Blue_true Sep 2018 #54

Yeahbut, yeahbut, yeahbut.........he's never said he supports "Medicare for All" before... George II Sep 2018 #65

See #30 guillaumeb Sep 2018 #75

Medicare is NOT single payer dansolo Sep 2018 #66

Medicare is a start. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #77

Medicare For All 100% is single payer SkyDancer Sep 2018 #93

I read Bernie's plan dansolo Sep 2018 #135

He's very clear in how it will be funded SkyDancer Sep 2018 #147

Medicare Parts A & B are single payer, aren't they? Honeycombe8 Sep 2018 #99

No, it's not single payer. greatauntoftriplets Sep 2018 #126

Oh, you mean Obamacare? And before that, Hillarycare? This is not new--for DEMOCRATS. nt Hekate Sep 2018 #68

Thank you. Their muddling is obviously intentional. nt R B Garr Sep 2018 #110

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2018 #95

Wow, a second post! johnp3907 Sep 2018 #96

I was just on a jury for that BumRushDaShow Sep 2018 #97

I was on one... Honeycombe8 Sep 2018 #98

Yes BumRushDaShow Sep 2018 #100

What's that? Honeycombe8 Sep 2018 #102

MIRT "Malicious Intruder Removal Team" BumRushDaShow Sep 2018 #104

User name was a bit of a giveaway! johnp3907 Sep 2018 #106

I didn't even see the user name BumRushDaShow Sep 2018 #108

It was Malignant Narcissist. johnp3907 Sep 2018 #112

Bwah! BumRushDaShow Sep 2018 #113

The "lefter than thou" cost Dems single payer. gulliver Sep 2018 #116

Mahalo, gulliver, for the reality on ACA/Obamacare.. Cha Sep 2018 #120

Perhaps we can all agree that Will Pitt was a jerk for calling President Obama every foul name in still_one Sep 2018 #121

The lie that Obama was against Medicare for all or public option is very very stubborn. betsuni Sep 2018 #125

I know still_one Sep 2018 #127

I just read through a long thread about this on SplinterNews betsuni Sep 2018 #128

My memory isn't what it used to be Blue_Tires Sep 2018 #122

Yes, but when the votes aren't there, you do what you can do. As Bernie Sanders said: betsuni Sep 2018 #124

This thread is just comedy gold. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2018 #136

That's not what people are saying ismnotwasm Sep 2018 #137

It is an interesting thread. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #141

I sincerely doubt that he didn't understand the GOP ismnotwasm Sep 2018 #143

Considering how blatant the racism was, and is, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #144

I agree that he went for a compromise. Cuthbert Allgood Sep 2018 #148

And I have read the same thing this year, but opinion is turning guillaumeb Sep 2018 #149

If THIS is considered... CanSocDem Sep 2018 #138

Exactly. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #142

Affordability can come in steps ismnotwasm Sep 2018 #146