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Salviati

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4. Whenever anyone brings that argument up, here's a good response

Sun Sep 9, 2018, 08:35 PM

Sep 2018

Tolerance is not a moral precept

The title of this essay should disturb you. We have been brought up to believe that tolerating other people is one of the things you do if you’re a nice person — whether we learned this in kindergarten or from Biblical maxims like “love your neighbor as yourself” and “do unto others.”

But if you have ever tried to live your life this way, you will have seen it fail: “Why won’t you tolerate my intolerance?” This comes in all sorts of forms: accepting a person’s actively antisocial behavior because it’s just part of being an accepting group of friends; being told that prejudice against Nazis is the same as prejudice against Black people; watching people try to give “equal time” to a religious (or irreligious) group whose guiding principle is that everyone must join them or else.

Every one of these examples should raise your suspicions that something isn’t right; that tolerance be damned, one of these things is not like the other. But if you were raised with an intense version of “tolerance is a moral requirement,” then you may feel that this is a thought you should fight off.

It isn’t.

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Some thoughts on Alt-right Trolling. [View all] JHan Sep 2018 OP

Two eternal questions Vinnie From Indy Sep 2018 #1

In this thread, Salviati reminded me of an essay that touches on that: JHan Sep 2018 #11

I remember that "The Paradox of Tolerance" Cha Sep 2018 #2

it's a great meme. JHan Sep 2018 #14

Right wingers will say they are not being tolerated treestar Sep 2018 #3

Whenever anyone brings that argument up, here's a good response Salviati Sep 2018 #4

++ thanks for reminding me of that essay. His analogy with peace agreements is spot on. JHan Sep 2018 #6

Always good to bring it up Salviati Sep 2018 #7

I extend tolerance to ideas and actions that at least don't promote undue harm. haele Sep 2018 #33

Give me some context. Grasswire2 Sep 2018 #5

Morgan describes it well, You can have these different sub groups united.. JHan Sep 2018 #8

thanks nt Grasswire2 Sep 2018 #9

Great post! Squinch Sep 2018 #10

thks Squinch. I think it's important to delve into what 4chan was and its connection to the altright JHan Sep 2018 #25

The question is - why are these people trolling? yardwork Sep 2018 #12

people who do that are a disgrace. JHan Sep 2018 #13

If you want to individualize it, this is the "you made me hurt you" defense used by abusers... Wounded Bear Sep 2018 #17

Yep ++ JHan Sep 2018 #21

How many times do people have to point out that it isn't a white power sign? mythology Sep 2018 #18

The fact they are doing it is the troll RhodeIslandOne Sep 2018 #19

Why would somebody joke about something like that? yardwork Sep 2018 #20

Also, the ADL published this: yardwork Sep 2018 #22

Context. Caliman73 Sep 2018 #34

++ exactly this. JHan Sep 2018 #37

Interesting. I wonder about the inner psychology: what is culture suppressing? lostnfound Sep 2018 #15

Good points. JHan Sep 2018 #23

When trolling the alt-right... TwistOneUp Sep 2018 #16

I've been lucky to guild and group up with some fabulous people as well. JHan Sep 2018 #24

I'm with you all the way generally, Jhan, but I'm not ready Hortensis Sep 2018 #26

Actually I was first skeptical of the claim until she did it again - boldy. JHan Sep 2018 #29

I understand and agree no nastiness is beyond people Hortensis Sep 2018 #30

I think the problem with the liberal reaction is the shock, it should not be shocking. .. JHan Sep 2018 #31

Yes, and from the love comes the belief and the CYA ideology. Hortensis Sep 2018 #32

If tolerance is not mutual, it is surrender by one side. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #27

I remember a few years ago people were saying Milo was just "trolling" and that was all to it.. JHan Sep 2018 #35

From your link: guillaumeb Sep 2018 #36

nft, bookmark OldEurope Sep 2018 #28

The universities in question . ... reACTIONary Sep 2018 #38

you can't yell fire in a crowded theatre.. JHan Sep 2018 #39

Univerties in general... reACTIONary Sep 2018 #40

.. ..we have limits to "free speech" already, JHan Sep 2018 #41

If you think that, given the power to.... reACTIONary Sep 2018 #42

"Free speech doesn't mean consequence-free speech" JHan Sep 2018 #44

No one, certainly not me, asked you to ... reACTIONary Sep 2018 #45

I'm not sure what you think I'm arguing.. JHan Sep 2018 #46

I guess my problem is that... reACTIONary Sep 2018 #47

thanks for that.. JHan Sep 2018 #48

If you have never done so before.... reACTIONary Sep 2018 #52

wonderful insight Locrian Sep 2018 #43

Remember as well.. JHan Sep 2018 #51

Well, okay. I am properly chilled & nauseated. I take it Zina is the woman behind Kavanaugh... Hekate Sep 2018 #49

yep. and yw :) JHan Sep 2018 #50

Very informative thread, JHan. brer cat Sep 2018 #53

Tolerence is a scam The Polack MSgt Sep 2018 #54