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In reply to the discussion: Some thoughts on Alt-right Trolling. [View all]JHan
(10,173 posts)35. I remember a few years ago people were saying Milo was just "trolling" and that was all to it..
That the trolling was done for trolling sake and that he wasn't really intolerant of other people, after all, he likes black men!
Then the Milo emails came out:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/josephbernstein/heres-how-breitbart-and-milo-smuggled-white-nationalism[When] the left and worse, some on the right had started to condemn the new conservative energy as reactionary and racist. Yiannopoulos had to take back alt-right, to redefine for Breitbarts audience a poorly understood, leaderless movement, parts of which had already started to resist the term itself.
So he reached out to key constituents, who included a neo-Nazi and a white nationalist.
Finally doing my big feature on the alt right, Yiannopoulos wrote in a March 9, 2016, email to Andrew Weev Auernheimer, a hacker who is the system administrator of the neo-Nazi hub the Daily Stormer, and who would later ask his followers to disrupt the funeral of Charlottesville victim Heather Heyer. Fancy braindumping some thoughts for me.
Its time for me to do my big definitive guide to the alt right, Yiannopoulos wrote four hours later to Curtis Yarvin, a software engineer who under the nom de plume Mencius Moldbug helped create the neoreactionary movement, which holds that Enlightenment democracy has failed and that a return to feudalism and authoritarian rule is in order. Which is my whorish way of asking if you have anything youd like to make sure I include.
Alt r feature, figured youd have some thoughts, Yiannopoulos wrote the same day to Devin Saucier, who helps edit the online white nationalist magazine American Renaissance under the pseudonym Henry Wolff, and who wrote a story in June 2017 called Why I Am (Among Other Things) a White Nationalist.
The three responded at length: Weev about the Daily Stormer and a podcast called The Daily Shoah, Yarvin in characteristically sweeping world-historical assertions (Its no secret that North America contains many distinct cultural/ethnic communities. This is not optimal, but with a competent king its not a huge problem either), and Saucier with a list of thinkers, politicians, journalists, films (Dune, Mad Max, The Dark Knight), and musical genres (folk metal, martial industrial, 80s synthpop) important to the movement. Yiannopoulos forwarded it all, along with the Wikipedia entries for Alternative Right and the esoteric far-right Italian philosopher Julius Evola a major influence on 20th-century Italian fascists and Richard Spencer alike to Allum Bokhari, his deputy and frequent ghostwriter, whom he had met during GamerGate. Include a bit of everything, he instructed Bokhari.
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Five days later Bokhari returned a 3,000-word draft, a taxonomy of the movement titled ALT-RIGHT BEHEMOTH. It included a little bit of everything: the brains and their influences (Yarvin and Evola, etc.), the natural conservatives (people who think different ethnic groups should stay separate for scientific reasons), the Meme team (4chan and 8chan), and the actual hatemongers. Of the last group, Bokhari wrote: Theres just not very many of them, no-one really likes them, and theyre unlikely to achieve anything significant in the alt-right.
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++ thanks for reminding me of that essay. His analogy with peace agreements is spot on.
JHan
Sep 2018
#6
thks Squinch. I think it's important to delve into what 4chan was and its connection to the altright
JHan
Sep 2018
#25
If you want to individualize it, this is the "you made me hurt you" defense used by abusers...
Wounded Bear
Sep 2018
#17
Interesting. I wonder about the inner psychology: what is culture suppressing?
lostnfound
Sep 2018
#15
I think the problem with the liberal reaction is the shock, it should not be shocking. ..
JHan
Sep 2018
#31
I remember a few years ago people were saying Milo was just "trolling" and that was all to it..
JHan
Sep 2018
#35