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JHan

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35. I remember a few years ago people were saying Milo was just "trolling" and that was all to it..
Mon Sep 10, 2018, 03:09 PM
Sep 2018

That the trolling was done for trolling sake and that he wasn't really intolerant of other people, after all, he likes black men!

Then the Milo emails came out:

[When] the left — and worse, some on the right — had started to condemn the new conservative energy as reactionary and racist. Yiannopoulos had to take back “alt-right,” to redefine for Breitbart’s audience a poorly understood, leaderless movement, parts of which had already started to resist the term itself.

So he reached out to key constituents, who included a neo-Nazi and a white nationalist.

“Finally doing my big feature on the alt right,” Yiannopoulos wrote in a March 9, 2016, email to Andrew “Weev” Auernheimer, a hacker who is the system administrator of the neo-Nazi hub the Daily Stormer, and who would later ask his followers to disrupt the funeral of Charlottesville victim Heather Heyer. “Fancy braindumping some thoughts for me.”

“It’s time for me to do my big definitive guide to the alt right,” Yiannopoulos wrote four hours later to Curtis Yarvin, a software engineer who under the nom de plume Mencius Moldbug helped create the “neoreactionary” movement, which holds that Enlightenment democracy has failed and that a return to feudalism and authoritarian rule is in order. “Which is my whorish way of asking if you have anything you’d like to make sure I include.”

“Alt r feature, figured you’d have some thoughts,” Yiannopoulos wrote the same day to Devin Saucier, who helps edit the online white nationalist magazine American Renaissance under the pseudonym Henry Wolff, and who wrote a story in June 2017 called “Why I Am (Among Other Things) a White Nationalist.”

The three responded at length: Weev about the Daily Stormer and a podcast called The Daily Shoah, Yarvin in characteristically sweeping world-historical assertions (“It’s no secret that North America contains many distinct cultural/ethnic communities. This is not optimal, but with a competent king it’s not a huge problem either”), and Saucier with a list of thinkers, politicians, journalists, films (Dune, Mad Max, The Dark Knight), and musical genres (folk metal, martial industrial, ’80s synthpop) important to the movement. Yiannopoulos forwarded it all, along with the Wikipedia entries for “Alternative Right” and the esoteric far-right Italian philosopher Julius Evola — a major influence on 20th-century Italian fascists and Richard Spencer alike — to Allum Bokhari, his deputy and frequent ghostwriter, whom he had met during GamerGate. “Include a bit of everything,” he instructed Bokhari.
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Five days later Bokhari returned a 3,000-word draft, a taxonomy of the movement titled “ALT-RIGHT BEHEMOTH.” It included a little bit of everything: the brains and their influences (Yarvin and Evola, etc.), the “natural conservatives” (people who think different ethnic groups should stay separate for scientific reasons), the “Meme team” (4chan and 8chan), and the actual hatemongers. Of the last group, Bokhari wrote: “There’s just not very many of them, no-one really likes them, and they’re unlikely to achieve anything significant in the alt-right.”
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/josephbernstein/heres-how-breitbart-and-milo-smuggled-white-nationalism

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Two eternal questions Vinnie From Indy Sep 2018 #1
In this thread, Salviati reminded me of an essay that touches on that: JHan Sep 2018 #11
I remember that "The Paradox of Tolerance" Cha Sep 2018 #2
it's a great meme. JHan Sep 2018 #14
Right wingers will say they are not being tolerated treestar Sep 2018 #3
Whenever anyone brings that argument up, here's a good response Salviati Sep 2018 #4
++ thanks for reminding me of that essay. His analogy with peace agreements is spot on. JHan Sep 2018 #6
Always good to bring it up Salviati Sep 2018 #7
I extend tolerance to ideas and actions that at least don't promote undue harm. haele Sep 2018 #33
Give me some context. Grasswire2 Sep 2018 #5
Morgan describes it well, You can have these different sub groups united.. JHan Sep 2018 #8
thanks nt Grasswire2 Sep 2018 #9
Great post! Squinch Sep 2018 #10
thks Squinch. I think it's important to delve into what 4chan was and its connection to the altright JHan Sep 2018 #25
The question is - why are these people trolling? yardwork Sep 2018 #12
people who do that are a disgrace. JHan Sep 2018 #13
If you want to individualize it, this is the "you made me hurt you" defense used by abusers... Wounded Bear Sep 2018 #17
Yep ++ JHan Sep 2018 #21
How many times do people have to point out that it isn't a white power sign? mythology Sep 2018 #18
The fact they are doing it is the troll RhodeIslandOne Sep 2018 #19
Why would somebody joke about something like that? yardwork Sep 2018 #20
Also, the ADL published this: yardwork Sep 2018 #22
Context. Caliman73 Sep 2018 #34
++ exactly this. JHan Sep 2018 #37
Interesting. I wonder about the inner psychology: what is culture suppressing? lostnfound Sep 2018 #15
Good points. JHan Sep 2018 #23
When trolling the alt-right... TwistOneUp Sep 2018 #16
I've been lucky to guild and group up with some fabulous people as well. JHan Sep 2018 #24
I'm with you all the way generally, Jhan, but I'm not ready Hortensis Sep 2018 #26
Actually I was first skeptical of the claim until she did it again - boldy. JHan Sep 2018 #29
I understand and agree no nastiness is beyond people Hortensis Sep 2018 #30
I think the problem with the liberal reaction is the shock, it should not be shocking. .. JHan Sep 2018 #31
Yes, and from the love comes the belief and the CYA ideology. Hortensis Sep 2018 #32
If tolerance is not mutual, it is surrender by one side. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #27
I remember a few years ago people were saying Milo was just "trolling" and that was all to it.. JHan Sep 2018 #35
From your link: guillaumeb Sep 2018 #36
nft, bookmark OldEurope Sep 2018 #28
The universities in question . ... reACTIONary Sep 2018 #38
you can't yell fire in a crowded theatre.. JHan Sep 2018 #39
Univerties in general... reACTIONary Sep 2018 #40
.. ..we have limits to "free speech" already, JHan Sep 2018 #41
If you think that, given the power to.... reACTIONary Sep 2018 #42
"Free speech doesn't mean consequence-free speech" JHan Sep 2018 #44
No one, certainly not me, asked you to ... reACTIONary Sep 2018 #45
I'm not sure what you think I'm arguing.. JHan Sep 2018 #46
I guess my problem is that... reACTIONary Sep 2018 #47
thanks for that.. JHan Sep 2018 #48
If you have never done so before.... reACTIONary Sep 2018 #52
wonderful insight Locrian Sep 2018 #43
Remember as well.. JHan Sep 2018 #51
Well, okay. I am properly chilled & nauseated. I take it Zina is the woman behind Kavanaugh... Hekate Sep 2018 #49
yep. and yw :) JHan Sep 2018 #50
Very informative thread, JHan. brer cat Sep 2018 #53
Tolerence is a scam The Polack MSgt Sep 2018 #54
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