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In reply to the discussion: NYMag: Bernie Sanders's BEZOS Bill Would Hurt the Working Class, Not the Rich [View all]ehrnst
(32,640 posts)194. You seem to be unaware of a few things that Gunnels is counting on you not knowing
They are very reputable:
(Yes, I know that Harvard is very, very "establishment."
https://www.cbpp.org/about/finances
And that you won't know about how reputable think tanks work in terms of donors. Donors give money because they want to support the work that a think tank is doing.
Perhaps you can tell me how these CBPP analysis promote Walmart's business goals?
Corporate Tax Cuts Mainly Benefit Shareholders and CEOs, Not Workers
The tax framework that the Trump Administration and congressional Republican leaders announced on September 27 proposes cutting the corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 20 percent. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin has repeatedly argued that the Administrations objective for corporate tax cuts is boosting workers wages because many, many economic studies show that more than 70 percent of the burden of corporate taxes are passed on to the workers. This claim is misleading, however, and the assertion that most of the benefits would go to workers misses the mark. The evidence indicates that most of the benefits from a corporate rate cut would go to those at the top, with only a small share flowing to low- and moderate-income families. Mainstream estimates conclude that more than one-third of the benefit of corporate rate cuts flows to the top 1 percent of Americans, and 70 percent flows to the top fifth. Corporate rate cuts could even hurt most Americans since they must eventually be paid for with other tax increases or spending cuts.[1]
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https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-tax/corporate-tax-cuts-mainly-benefit-shareholders-and-ceos-not-workers
Reform Prevents Corporations from Hiding Profits in Tax Haven Subsidiaries
To avoid state corporate income taxes, a number of large, multistate corporations have devised strategies to move profits out of the states in which they are earned and into states in which they will be taxed at lower rates or not at all. They do this by creating subsidiaries largely or solely as tax shelters in tax haven states like Delaware and then artificially shifting funds to them in the form of royalties or rent.
For example, Wal-Mart has transferred ownership of all of its stores to a Wal-Mart subsidiary. In most states, this enables Wal-Mart to deduct the rent it pays the subsidiary (i.e., the rent it pays itself) from the income that is subject to state corporate taxes. The subsidiary receiving the rent isnt taxed because it qualifies as a tax-exempt Real Estate Investment Trust under federal and state law.
Strategies like these cost states billions of dollars in revenue, forcing individuals and small businesses which lack the resources to exploit the loophole to pay higher taxes than would otherwise be necessary. They also give multistate corporations an unfair tax advantage over in-state corporations and smaller businesses.
To avoid state corporate income taxes, a number of large, multistate corporations have devised strategies to move profits out of the states in which they are earned and into states in which they will be taxed at lower rates or not at all. They do this by creating subsidiaries largely or solely as tax shelters in tax haven states like Delaware and then artificially shifting funds to them in the form of royalties or rent.
For example, Wal-Mart has transferred ownership of all of its stores to a Wal-Mart subsidiary. In most states, this enables Wal-Mart to deduct the rent it pays the subsidiary (i.e., the rent it pays itself) from the income that is subject to state corporate taxes. The subsidiary receiving the rent isnt taxed because it qualifies as a tax-exempt Real Estate Investment Trust under federal and state law.
Strategies like these cost states billions of dollars in revenue, forcing individuals and small businesses which lack the resources to exploit the loophole to pay higher taxes than would otherwise be necessary. They also give multistate corporations an unfair tax advantage over in-state corporations and smaller businesses.
https://www.cbpp.org/blog/house-gop-shouldnt-again-shortchange-working-families-with-20-tax-plans-child-credit
https://www.cbpp.org/press/press-releases/press-release-several-states-considering-closing-major-corporate-tax-loopholes
https://www.cbpp.org/press/statements/greenstein-house-republican-tax-proposal-repeats-flaws-in-2017-tax-law
https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-tax/indexing-capital-gains-for-inflation-would-worsen-fiscal-challenges-give
The CBPP had done more for the poor than any politician because they are a source for reliable data, and they have lasted and gotten support because of it. They are more reputable than any politician who dispute them, (which until now have been GOP), especially during a campaign to get elected.
https://www.cbpp.org/about/mission-history
Just because a think tank/fact check/analysis isn't skewed your way doesn't mean they are skewed against you.
That's a right wing talking point, and it's sad to see it here on DU. But unfortunely not surprising....
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NYMag: Bernie Sanders's BEZOS Bill Would Hurt the Working Class, Not the Rich [View all]
ehrnst
Sep 2018
OP
Did you have the same beef with some of the ACA provisions only applying to large corporations?
Hassin Bin Sober
Sep 2018
#38
That's totally different. If I read the summaries of the bill (I don't know if the full text and..
George II
Sep 2018
#91
It has to do with whether treating large corporations differently than small is legal or not.
PoliticAverse
Sep 2018
#156
I just wonder why some immediately throw out the ACA when this discussion comes up....
George II
Sep 2018
#147
Because (1) it's probably the most important new legislation in the last decade.
PoliticAverse
Sep 2018
#157
Ahem, it's not "legislation", it's proposed legislation which I don't even know has been....
George II
Sep 2018
#159
It might be the most misguided, least well-thought-out "progressive" legislation in the last decade.
pnwmom
Sep 2018
#160
Whether it is a good idea or not and whether it is "legal" are different issues. n/t
PoliticAverse
Sep 2018
#162
The ACA treats large corporations differently than small. You agree doing so is legal, right?
PoliticAverse
Sep 2018
#155
Certainly not if those who criticize Amazon continue to support them financially by allowing them...
George II
Sep 2018
#150
The Clinton health care plan was basically torpedoed by Bernie and republicans
Blue_true
Sep 2018
#121
She basically kissed his behind to get him fully behind the healthcare iniative.
Blue_true
Sep 2018
#128
I pointed out that republicans sunk the plan, Bernie didn't help give it support in Congress. nt
Blue_true
Sep 2018
#134
No, you said, "The Clinton health care plan was basically torpedoed by Bernie and republicans"
progressoid
Sep 2018
#179
"Anyone who disagrees with me is the enemy" - Even when they're acting in good faith.
JHan
Sep 2018
#11
2 Million dollars aint nothing. I'm sure the organization is doing legitimate work, but regardless,
JCanete
Sep 2018
#152
Have you sorted out in your head that Senator Blumenthal and Cornyn don't look alike yet?
JHan
Sep 2018
#12
Never apologized for that thread either, as far as I know. Or admitted he was wrong.
emulatorloo
Sep 2018
#15
You probably also think that Kaiser Family Foundation is "owned" by Kaiser Permanente...
ehrnst
Sep 2018
#63
You realize you have zero credibility here with your dubious past performance.
honest.abe
Sep 2018
#71
No, it's not owned by Walmart. And the President Emeritus is Marian Wright Edelman.
pnwmom
Sep 2018
#163
You seem to be unaware of a few things that Gunnels is counting on you not knowing
ehrnst
Sep 2018
#194
Wouldn't raising the minimum wage to a living wage for large corporations do the same thing?
Yavin4
Sep 2018
#24
Then conservadems and conservatives would scream bloody murder you are hurting mom and pop business
Hassin Bin Sober
Sep 2018
#32
Ditto - along with well crafted legislation that actually passes and helps people
ehrnst
Sep 2018
#45
Here. Just for you. I guess I assumed too much that this wouldn't be news here.
Hassin Bin Sober
Sep 2018
#46
OK that's half. A cut and paste is a start, but certainly not a support for your claim.
ehrnst
Sep 2018
#55
That's entirely different from what this so-called "BEZOS Bill" is attempting to do. But....
George II
Sep 2018
#81
Didn't see this at first so just asked exactly the same question. And yet those who wish to....
George II
Sep 2018
#80
That insult is intended to send progressives that don't worship Bernie running for the hills.
Blue_true
Sep 2018
#75
That's not going to happen to me - I've been a Democrat since Sanders was a member...
George II
Sep 2018
#112
I agree. You are not running a viable business if you can't pay more than minimum wage.
Hassin Bin Sober
Sep 2018
#58
"You are not running a viable business if you can't pay more than minimum wage"...
George II
Sep 2018
#84
Do all workers deserve the benefits of the ACA and all the other protections that only apply....
Hassin Bin Sober
Sep 2018
#49
You claimed that Bernie is pushing for this because small businesses are some kind of third rail.
kcr
Sep 2018
#50
You keep trying to compare this legislation to the ACA, and it's just not working.
ehrnst
Sep 2018
#56
I just assume they mean Manchin: this one guy somehow means there and lots and lots
betsuni
Sep 2018
#142
Like it or not, Joe Manchin IS a Democrat, and he votes with Democrats more than....
George II
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#145
These people haven't spent a day of their life thinking about how the real world works.
joshcryer
Sep 2018
#115
There must be some sort of adrenaline rush that comes from "fighting the power"...
NurseJackie
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#119
Lol. You are saying snap recipient benefit information is on a piece of paper in a file cabinet...
Hassin Bin Sober
Sep 2018
#132
OK, what will cure the rich of their affluenza? Let's hear what the CBPP has to say.
ck4829
Sep 2018
#27
Well, stigmatizing benefits and the people who receive them certainly won't help
emulatorloo
Sep 2018
#54
You really think THIS is going cause corporate mouthpiece organizations like the US Chamber...
Hassin Bin Sober
Sep 2018
#57
I posted an answer to another poster's question. Not interested in engaging with you. n/t
emulatorloo
Sep 2018
#64
You don't have to engage with me. But post some ridiculous assertions that THIS ...
Hassin Bin Sober
Sep 2018
#66
wait...what is an independant non-partisan thinktank? One that is funded out of one's own piggy
JCanete
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#96
I didn't say it meant that they had a say. Oddly enough it is levied against TYT here often
JCanete
Sep 2018
#108
That's a good point...they have to get their employees from somewhere. But it is still a
JCanete
Sep 2018
#122