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hlthe2b

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17. Watching the legal pundits with this.. they seem as clueless as all of us...

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 06:44 PM

Sep 2018

I should think there are lots of tools in Mueller's chest though, even if he knows full well that Trump is trying to do a back-channel pardon. Earlier on, it was reported that Mueller and SDNY were sharing info with the NY State AG (and perhaps the NYC DA).... So, I have a hard time thinking Manafort will not end up in prison regardless. Knowing that, I really can't imagine Mueller would not gain something from Manafort. If nothing else, pardon or no, Mueller can require Manafort's testimony during which he'd not be eligible to plead the 5th.

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Why would Mueller make a plea deal with Manafort?? [View all] kentuck Sep 2018 OP

Perhaps Sherman A1 Sep 2018 #1

I have to think so.... We are viewing everything through blinders. hlthe2b Sep 2018 #2

Or through a glass darkly. nt tblue37 Sep 2018 #6

Agreed Sherman A1 Sep 2018 #15

Sorry I brought it up. kentuck Sep 2018 #3

No, don't be sorry AndJusticeForSome Sep 2018 #8

Last I checked this WAS a message board Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #9

It's actually a damn good question! lunatica Sep 2018 #63

Perhaps those of us with curious minds AndJusticeForSome Sep 2018 #4

Do what you want Sherman A1 Sep 2018 #16

I don't see anyone arguing otherwise. LanternWaste Sep 2018 #62

Agreed. democratisphere Sep 2018 #18

No offense but your post sounds kind of shitty?? Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2018 #36

Perhaps it does come across that way, Sherman A1 Sep 2018 #49

Yes. I appreciate your point of view. I find sometimes Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2018 #50

I read news stories online Sherman A1 Sep 2018 #55

Laura, you are correct... kentuck Sep 2018 #56

So true, I have been guilty of it multiple times Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2018 #61

Bingo! lunatica Sep 2018 #64

Going to trial can be a roll of the dice left-of-center2012 Sep 2018 #5

Not According To Every Analyst I've Heard LandOfHopeAndDreams Sep 2018 #11

Which probably explains why Manafort isn't even going to try and fight this one. Kaleva Sep 2018 #26

If he's going to get a pardon anyway... kentuck Sep 2018 #31

If he's not giving Mueller anything, I doubt he'll be allowed to plead to a single lesser charge. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Sep 2018 #53

Costs money and puts him more at risk by not dealing. LiberalFighter Sep 2018 #12

IF he's not getting cooperation, he must think there's PR value in an aloqution. CincyDem Sep 2018 #7

That makes sense. kentuck Sep 2018 #13

I don't think we're going to get that lucky. CincyDem Sep 2018 #21

Trump is not going to pull that trigger just yet. Wellstone ruled Sep 2018 #10

My take is this,watch for the Wellstone ruled Sep 2018 #14

What is van rehabilitation? Like throwing Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2018 #37

Not quite, Wellstone ruled Sep 2018 #41

Interesting:). Thanks Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2018 #44

Watching the legal pundits with this.. they seem as clueless as all of us... hlthe2b Sep 2018 #17

A pardon for Manafort is not a pardon for Trump... kentuck Sep 2018 #32

Manafort is not in a good position. The second trial is likely to be worse for him The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #19

Excellent points! kentuck Sep 2018 #33

I was thinking get the red out Sep 2018 #45

Robert Mueller knows what he'll get out of any deal PJMcK Sep 2018 #20

Maybe there are banks, oligarchs, accounts, henchmen, or other evidence he's witholding? lindysalsagal Sep 2018 #22

I Can Think of Two Possible Reasons: SDJay Sep 2018 #23

Would he flip for witness protection? He's not safe otherwise. bettyellen Sep 2018 #24

russia in the pence pick. more russia. pansypoo53219 Sep 2018 #25

I have to entertain the possibility HopeAgain Sep 2018 #27

do we have confirmation from Mueller that there is a plea deal? Grasswire2 Sep 2018 #28

What about treason? Is it punishable by death,? Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2018 #38

Maybe it's a get-nothing, give-nothing deal. RockRaven Sep 2018 #29

Great minds. See #59. Someday I'll read before I speak. :-) LAS14 Sep 2018 #60

What Will Manafort Will Give Up.... HumblePi Sep 2018 #30

Interesting point about Don Jr and the Trump Tower meeting... kentuck Sep 2018 #34

But just meeting. Is not a crime. Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2018 #39

BUT......... Grasswire2 Sep 2018 #43

It does sound fishy, don't it? kentuck Sep 2018 #47

Manafort must publicly, specifically, and verbally admit to all charges in court. tableturner Sep 2018 #35

yes, that's true Grasswire2 Sep 2018 #40

A theory on twitter: ecstatic Sep 2018 #42

But then who takes down Trump? Grasswire2 Sep 2018 #48

New York state greymattermom Sep 2018 #52

Manafort lives in Virginia and presumably files his taxes there. Calista241 Sep 2018 #54

all well and good, but if Mueller doesn't stamp out the very real collusion with indictments... Grasswire2 Sep 2018 #57

Hopefully enough dirt on pence to take him down nini Sep 2018 #46

Does he still pay that massive fine greymattermom Sep 2018 #51

Manafort's plea deal includes a cooperation agreement Botany Sep 2018 #58

How do we know it was a "deal?" Maybe they tried for a deal, didn't.. LAS14 Sep 2018 #59