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22. Can you give some examples of what you think would be appropriate penalties?

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A Modest Purposal - No more children [View all] packman Sep 2018 OP

Nah Loki Liesmith Sep 2018 #1

Sure, but an even more immediate step we can take is stop eating animals. lagomorph777 Sep 2018 #2

As a 45 year vegetarian... I say hell yes. Zoonart Sep 2018 #4

And even those of us past child rearing age can participate lagomorph777 Sep 2018 #6

+1 demmiblue Sep 2018 #17

More immediate (and carrying the "logic" another step) would be mass suicide. LakeSuperiorView Sep 2018 #32

Yikes. Welcome to DU; say hi to St. Petersburg for me. lagomorph777 Sep 2018 #34

They do if they don't do it right... LakeSuperiorView Sep 2018 #35

I've been vegan for about a year; my health has dramatically improved. lagomorph777 Sep 2018 #38

Ah, what a delightful way of accusing me to be a troll... LakeSuperiorView Sep 2018 #39

we should agree handmade34 Sep 2018 #59

Sorry, not seeing that as something that could happen quickly or easily. LakeSuperiorView Sep 2018 #61

it COULD handmade34 Sep 2018 #63

We could also discover Cold Fusion, Faster Than Light Travel or be bailed out by LakeSuperiorView Sep 2018 #64

Florida or Russia? KayF Sep 2018 #83

Interesting concept. H2O Man Sep 2018 #51

Maybe I should have made it clearer... LakeSuperiorView Sep 2018 #60

That's "Absurdum" without the "Reductio" lagomorph777 Sep 2018 #70

Hmm... Still not getting it? LakeSuperiorView Sep 2018 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author lagomorph777 Sep 2018 #77

So how does that work? Blue_true Sep 2018 #53

Domestic animal populations will not explode. lagomorph777 Sep 2018 #73

I grew up in the country. Blue_true Sep 2018 #134

Minimize eating meat to one meal a week at140 Sep 2018 #55

You said it all. I am with you. Thanks. MLAA Sep 2018 #69

Any oldsters here remember, ZPG? Zoonart Sep 2018 #3

Oh yeah. Seeing it as enforced policy kinda changed opinions. lagomorph777 Sep 2018 #7

Sure did. Zoonart Sep 2018 #9

I was a member: it was all supposed to be voluntary via education. China's brutal policy... Hekate Sep 2018 #89

A person should not be allowed to have any more than 2 children democratisphere Sep 2018 #5

Unenforceable and cruel Nonhlanhla Sep 2018 #10

The alternative is mass extinction. democratisphere Sep 2018 #15

I will inform my cousin Nonhlanhla Sep 2018 #46

It is about the collective sum. democratisphere Sep 2018 #48

People having one child are not the problem Nonhlanhla Sep 2018 #128

pretty sure the alternative to her having a child qazplm135 Sep 2018 #98

She's a ticking time bomb, man!! Codeine Sep 2018 #105

well I mean maybe if her baby is the Antichrist? qazplm135 Sep 2018 #107

One cannot be too careful. nt Codeine Sep 2018 #109

all babies do have the vomiting what looks like green pea soup down qazplm135 Sep 2018 #112

Humans are destined for extinction no matter what we do. Kaleva Sep 2018 #146

Agreed. But there is no reason to hasten the inevitable. democratisphere Sep 2018 #149

Adoption is an option. Garrett78 Sep 2018 #49

She desperately wanted "a child of her own." CrispyQ Sep 2018 #152

I agree completely. smirkymonkey Sep 2018 #12

No way to enforce this... however. Zoonart Sep 2018 #16

We already pay for sports ChazII Sep 2018 #21

What would be the penalty for conceiving a third child? What would happen to the third child? Marengo Sep 2018 #18

Penalties severe enough so no one would want to do it. democratisphere Sep 2018 #20

Can you give some examples of what you think would be appropriate penalties? Marengo Sep 2018 #22

Lifelong annually reoccurring financial penalties on both partners, for example. democratisphere Sep 2018 #27

The financial penalty for having a child is self-executing jberryhill Sep 2018 #72

so you'd have the third child raised in poverty then yes? qazplm135 Sep 2018 #100

But it worked exquisitely well in China. Codeine Sep 2018 #106

I'm not sure a law is the answer, however BannonsLiver Sep 2018 #24

There must be enforced compliance with penalties or this issue will not be taken seriously. democratisphere Sep 2018 #30

A very uncomfortable truth BannonsLiver Sep 2018 #33

Bingo! dumbcat Sep 2018 #111

That is the problem. democratisphere Sep 2018 #135

So a woman's body is her own Codeine Sep 2018 #40

A woman's body is her own. She and her partner(s) must take responsibility not to democratisphere Sep 2018 #42

A woman's body is her own. Codeine Sep 2018 #71

how is that any different from qazplm135 Sep 2018 #101

I can think of some groups that would support this in a big way. Captain Stern Sep 2018 #54

This applies to all people throughout the world. democratisphere Sep 2018 #66

Sure it would Captain Stern Sep 2018 #124

You're missing the point ... imho ... mr_lebowski Sep 2018 #84

I don't think I am Captain Stern Sep 2018 #145

2 children per couple will double the population at140 Sep 2018 #58

Agreed with the one child policy from China. democratisphere Sep 2018 #65

Agreed...no chance in USA for 1 child policy at140 Sep 2018 #79

Why should the young subsidize the old? Codeine Sep 2018 #91

Aha...but those are different issues at140 Sep 2018 #99

You sound like a Freeper Codeine Sep 2018 #104

Read my post again, I like the safety net for the needy at140 Sep 2018 #141

The policy was likely at the very least unnecessary, and has created an unprecedented demographic... Marengo Sep 2018 #123

No. Two children per couple keep the population the same. Captain Stern Sep 2018 #125

Not according to my PhD friend at140 Sep 2018 #140

Your friend is wrong. Captain Stern Sep 2018 #144

So many errors in your post, I don't know where to begin at140 Sep 2018 #157

Lifespan doesn't matter... Captain Stern Sep 2018 #159

Forcible sterilization for anyone on any type of .... MicaelS Sep 2018 #95

No reproductive rights? David__77 Sep 2018 #114

Our crack team of Sardukar Terror Marines Codeine Sep 2018 #116

I was a ZPGer back in the day, and an anti-natalist ever since. The_jackalope Sep 2018 #8

Are you also Vegan? masmdu Sep 2018 #36

Actually, not having a child far outweighs going vegan. The_jackalope Sep 2018 #43

Going vegan would further decrease the environmental impact of your existence. Seems to me... Marengo Sep 2018 #115

If I cared as much as I claim, I'd suicide, right? The_jackalope Sep 2018 #117

Ineffective dodge. Let's try again. What's holding you back from adopting veganism? Marengo Sep 2018 #121

Good question. It's my health, actually. The_jackalope Sep 2018 #122

How convenient, or is what you wrote complete nonsense? If you have metabolic syndrome, I find... Marengo Sep 2018 #127

Read Gary Taubes. nt The_jackalope Sep 2018 #129

Vegan vs vegetarian? masmdu Sep 2018 #147

Hear Hear!!! (nt) mr_lebowski Sep 2018 #85

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It would have to be across the board and apply to everyone. smirkymonkey Sep 2018 #13

So, are men going to keep it in their pants? Croney Sep 2018 #14

I think all men should be forced to have vasectomies... llmart Sep 2018 #26

Agreed, I did! nt at140 Sep 2018 #80

so your solution to not controlling women's bodies qazplm135 Sep 2018 #102

This message was self-deleted by its author DoBotherMe Sep 2018 #151

I'm pretty sure most women qazplm135 Sep 2018 #161

We ARE having fewer children, at least in the US and 20 other countries Revanchist Sep 2018 #19

Western countries already have low birthrates Tardislass Sep 2018 #23

My son did his senior HS project on a similar subject woodsprite Sep 2018 #41

This. Nt Nonhlanhla Sep 2018 #47

Economic development. Adrahil Sep 2018 #67

And the planet doesn't just 'tend to be' destroyed ... it IS DESTROYED ... mr_lebowski Sep 2018 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author handmade34 Sep 2018 #132

I made that decision when I was only 19 years old. MineralMan Sep 2018 #25

For me, it was the decision to have only two children, not four like Mom.... Hekate Sep 2018 #93

That's a good, rational decision. MineralMan Sep 2018 #96

I'm glad I'm a man. The_jackalope Sep 2018 #113

Children make people more humane kimbutgar Sep 2018 #28

The core of the problem is that they grow into productive adults. The_jackalope Sep 2018 #44

Had a long conversation about that with daughter last night. She's reading Angela's Ashes onecaliberal Sep 2018 #29

By that same argument.... Adrahil Sep 2018 #31

Read a lot of Swift, do ya? pecosbob Sep 2018 #37

... Cal Carpenter Sep 2018 #45

What an awful idea. redwitch Sep 2018 #50

My wife and I made a conscious choice to not have kids. Garrett78 Sep 2018 #52

That doesn't seem very modest. It seems extremely radical. MrsCoffee Sep 2018 #56

So you want to control reproductive rights too? Do tell. nolabear Sep 2018 #57

The level of suppport I'm seeing for this notion Codeine Sep 2018 #74

I've actually been astonished how LITTLE support there is on a progressive discussion board mr_lebowski Sep 2018 #87

I agree with the basic idea Codeine Sep 2018 #92

Voluntarily is one thing. But let's say it did become a danger. nolabear Sep 2018 #103

I just heard an NPR story about China now trying to enforce larger families. nolabear Sep 2018 #108

It's created a demographic crises, the "4-2-1" phenomenon. Marengo Sep 2018 #120

This thread is why they think we're crazy Alea Sep 2018 #62

Exactly. Codeine Sep 2018 #76

Yep. GulfCoast66 Sep 2018 #131

Just as long as it's an idea, not policy JCMach1 Sep 2018 #68

The OP has already declared his support Codeine Sep 2018 #78

I try to be consistent with my beliefs and yeah JCMach1 Sep 2018 #136

Sure. Yet you want social programs. So for you and your generation only? EllieBC Sep 2018 #81

The only way to prevent human extinction is to cause human extinction inwiththenew Sep 2018 #82

half of the OP is from the article KayF Sep 2018 #86

Same. Duppers Sep 2018 #142

Would rather see this in voluntary planned communities MarcA Sep 2018 #88

Yeah, no more nurses, doctors, therapists, athletes, phylny Sep 2018 #94

In one of my favorite SF novels.... MicaelS Sep 2018 #97

This thread is a perfect illustration of why I have abandoned the debate. The_jackalope Sep 2018 #110

Well, honestly, people do have rights. Codeine Sep 2018 #118

They do? Where do those rights come from? The_jackalope Sep 2018 #119

If your position rests on the idea Codeine Sep 2018 #126

Of course it would be fruitless and unsatisfying. The_jackalope Sep 2018 #130

People have rights AND I find this type of negative world view JCMach1 Sep 2018 #137

I give up. nt The_jackalope Sep 2018 #139

This message was self-deleted by its author Duppers Sep 2018 #143

We had one NickB79 Sep 2018 #133

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2018 #138

One big caveat - children in developed countries are the ones at issue ehrnst Sep 2018 #148

Like Michael Jackson said, " If you can't feed the baby, don't have the baby". jalan48 Sep 2018 #150

I suspect that most people saying "Stop having children. It kills the planet" LuvLoogie Sep 2018 #153

of course, here is the rub DonCoquixote Sep 2018 #154

Seven billion miracles is enough. I had that bumper sticker back when it was six billion. CrispyQ Sep 2018 #155

Do you define yourself as "Pro-Choice?" alphafemale Sep 2018 #156

Why are women Skidmore Sep 2018 #158

IDIOCRACY explains the problem with this idea: yurbud Sep 2018 #160