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101. You got that right. It wasn't about those allegations at all.

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 06:10 PM

Sep 2018

It was about Franken getting too popular and high profile, when there were others who were anointed to become Presidential candidates. On a popular talk show, the host mentioned that people were asking Franken to run for President. That's what his being pushed out was about.

Gillibrand immediately demanded he leave, and others started jumping on the bandwagon almost immediately. When Schumer joined the fray, Franken had to leave. For nothing but that some of the base liked him too much, saw him as a leader too much, saw him as effective in the hearings. A fatal crime, to some.

I won't forget. I won't forgive. Putting one's own personal interests above the country's or the Democratic Party voters...that's not what a good leader does. And those who jumped on the bandwagon....not what a leader does.

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Al Franken was forced out of the Senate [View all] madaboutharry Sep 2018 OP

We can thank our own side for what happened to Al. FiveGoodMen Sep 2018 #1

+1000 OnDoutside Sep 2018 #12

Yes. It's especially galling right now when we need every powerful voice on Kavanaugh. NT enough Sep 2018 #15

Would love to have Al question Kavanagh (wouldn't we all?)! maddiemom Sep 2018 #87

**cough** **cough* UpInArms Sep 2018 #173

+ 1 ChiTownDenny Sep 2018 #39

yep samnsara Sep 2018 #64

+1. nt Honeycombe8 Sep 2018 #102

The right wing set up a trap dflprincess Sep 2018 #174

He was forced out by Democrats Cartoonist Sep 2018 #2

taking the high road always leads to political hell elmac Sep 2018 #18

Actually it was Women's groups Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #119

Uh oh. SergeStorms Sep 2018 #148

It was? That's news I haven't heard before. Can you elaborate? KPN Sep 2018 #178

Not really Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #180

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2018 #166

Hard to say Cartoonist Sep 2018 #171

The World Is Exactly The Way They Want It LandOfHopeAndDreams Sep 2018 #3

Good analogy. maddiemom Sep 2018 #89

Kavanaugh AND Thomas! manor321 Sep 2018 #4

Sadly, it looks like Kavanaugh will be joining "long dong silver" G_j Sep 2018 #19

Still angry about it. badhair77 Sep 2018 #5

Me too eom MoonRiver Sep 2018 #6

Not to mention SHITLER the serial predator squatting in the White House. UTUSN Sep 2018 #7

Point of clarification BannonsLiver Sep 2018 #8

No, Franken CHOSE to quit dawg day Sep 2018 #9

He chose to quit AFTER his Democratic co workers went after him. Autumn Sep 2018 #11

Exactly, 38 of his Senate colleagues led by a NY Senator, demanded he resign. He was left with OnDoutside Sep 2018 #13

Resigning was the only option they left him. Autumn Sep 2018 #14

Yes they went to his office and held a gun to his head Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #112

Maybe in your world. Fact is that members of his "team" left him no choice but to resign. Autumn Sep 2018 #114

How? Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #116

Working with people who are insisting you resign is so the thing to do. Autumn Sep 2018 #118

People can insist that you to do anything Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #120

He probably decided he could no longer be effective. femmedem Sep 2018 #129

Most can. Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #132

Kirstin Gillibrand thought she was launching a presidential bid by leading the charge Still In Wisconsin Sep 2018 #17

On what basis do you say that a prospective Gillibrand Presidential bid is thwarted? brooklynite Sep 2018 #43

I'm not saying she can't or won't run because of this. My point was that I think Still In Wisconsin Sep 2018 #78

Add my 2cents to yours. LakeArenal Sep 2018 #93

Again what proof do you have for that? Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #115

Did you not read this part of what I wrote? Still In Wisconsin Sep 2018 #126

Opinions are usually based on facts Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #128

My magic 8-ball and my Ouija board. Still In Wisconsin Sep 2018 #141

LOL!!! nt Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #150

Posted without comment: #146 hlthe2b Sep 2018 #149

Read your own post Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #151

Stop the strawmen arguments. I said nothing of the kind. hlthe2b Sep 2018 #156

Not a strawman argument Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #164

Kirsten Gillibrand Pays The Price For Speaking Out Against Al Franken: 08/03/18 HuffPo hlthe2b Sep 2018 #146

That's exactly what she zentrum Sep 2018 #71

How do you know that? Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #121

What proof do you have of that? Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #113

Indeed, "Why do we eat our own?" I'm with you & the OP on this, Still in Wisconsin Hekate Sep 2018 #123

Please list the 27 other dems. 3Hotdogs Sep 2018 #27

More than half of all Democratic Senators called for him to step down. But only one will MrsCoffee Sep 2018 #31

Corey Booker for one, Chuck Schumer for another LakeArenal Sep 2018 #33

Booker is already getting on my nerves. 3Hotdogs Sep 2018 #40

Bookmarking. n/t rzemanfl Sep 2018 #56

Bookmarketing. maddiemom Sep 2018 #88

Also, atlas disndat Sep 2018 #105

Well, he's not a Democratic Senator ... Bernie Sanders called for him to resign SFnomad Sep 2018 #49

It's in the public record Hekate Sep 2018 #125

By NY Senator I assume Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #110

You are so right, Wellstone ruled Sep 2018 #36

Keep saying it. I for one will NEVER buy it. LakeArenal Sep 2018 #30

It's a rare day when Republicans gang up on one of their own. VOX Sep 2018 #75

Don't even try that tired argument. He was forced out by a Gillibrand-led pack. brush Sep 2018 #83

No just a tired argument Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #122

Wrong! Gillebrand was the first one to come out against Franken. I heard her interviewed on radio... brush Sep 2018 #133

No that is wrong Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #136

I know what I heard. Both Franken and Clinton were part of the interview. brush Sep 2018 #139

Then you imagined it Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #142

You have no idea what you're talking about. Gillibrand even doubled down on it on "The View"... brush Sep 2018 #152

Sorry Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #162

Is there a language problem? You have no idea of what radio interview I heard. You may have heard... brush Sep 2018 #168

So which one were you referring to. Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #172

True too. mahina Sep 2018 #107

Well said!!! nt Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #108

Always remember. The Republicans will put Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court Autumn Sep 2018 #10

It's very hard to forget that some formerly great Dems cut out Al's heart . lark Sep 2018 #20

Or they did it because they thought it was the right thing to do at the time. MrsCoffee Sep 2018 #32

How could they think it was right? lark Sep 2018 #95

They were looking at eight separate allegations. MrsCoffee Sep 2018 #103

What really happened Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #127

Including my favorite, by a woman who wanted a photo with him calimary Sep 2018 #155

How do you define effective? Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #124

This is pay back for Bush vs. Gore Wellstone ruled Sep 2018 #38

IOKIYAAR* Still In Wisconsin Sep 2018 #16

Dems Were Conned dlk Sep 2018 #21

No, Al Franken quit Progressive dog Sep 2018 #22

He was facing a shunning. madaboutharry Sep 2018 #23

That's how see it, too. zeusdogmom Sep 2018 #24

There was no "Shunning", the Senate is not a cult. Progressive dog Sep 2018 #26

Hahaha. Funny. Not a cult. LakeArenal Sep 2018 #37

Franken was elected to the seat Progressive dog Sep 2018 #45

You can keep saying that if you like. LakeArenal Sep 2018 #54

You can blame anyone you like Progressive dog Sep 2018 #57

This is no attack and you know it. LakeArenal Sep 2018 #68

Using a resigned Democrat Progressive dog Sep 2018 #70

Then alert on me. LakeArenal Sep 2018 #72

Not worth the effort Progressive dog Sep 2018 #77

Spent an hour disparaging my opinion LakeArenal Sep 2018 #79

Nope, don't care enough Progressive dog Sep 2018 #80

Potato patato. LakeArenal Sep 2018 #85

Opinion is not fact. Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #137

I don't have to validate to you an opinion supported by over 100 people on this thread LakeArenal Sep 2018 #153

Once millions of people thought the Earth was flat. Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #163

We'll continue to target the ringleader, Gillibrand. That kind of gullible naivete in falling... brush Sep 2018 #86

Thanks. LakeArenal Sep 2018 #154

So now Democratic Senators are a "ring" Progressive dog Sep 2018 #184

The only ignorance evident is yours of what happened. brush Sep 2018 #185

Guess facts don't matter to some Progressive dog Sep 2018 #186

Still not getting it. He apologized for taking a gag photo, not for groping her. brush Sep 2018 #187

You are still having trouble understanding Progressive dog Sep 2018 #188

Ok, keep thinking that. Gillibrand still won't get close to the nomination... brush Sep 2018 #189

Just so I understand you dflprincess Sep 2018 #175

Exactly correct Progressive dog Sep 2018 #183

Belief is not fact. Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #135

Okay then. I take it all back. Not. LakeArenal Sep 2018 #157

That's mature. Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #165

He lost the confidence and support of his coalition. murielm99 Sep 2018 #28

Shunning? Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #131

that's not the way politics really works. unblock Sep 2018 #41

That is way over the top. Progressive dog Sep 2018 #50

my point is that a lot of the power of a senator comes from the respect and cooperation of others unblock Sep 2018 #60

Senators earn respect, it's not given to them Progressive dog Sep 2018 #65

actually, he did try to recover that respect unblock Sep 2018 #66

I missed the part where Franken tried to recover Progressive dog Sep 2018 #69

i get that you think he didn't fight for his job well, but what do you think he *should* have done? unblock Sep 2018 #73

The problem is not Fanken's resignation Progressive dog Sep 2018 #76

+1000 Power 2 the People Sep 2018 #25

Al Franken admitted culpability and, rightfully, resigned Tarc Sep 2018 #29

I just don't see how people could rationalize things any other way. Blue_true Sep 2018 #42

It's easy. You mischaracterize the allegations down to nothing and dismiss those mythology Sep 2018 #46

Yep. I regularly see that. nt Blue_true Sep 2018 #99

This message was self-deleted by its author Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #59

I'm so.pissed.off!!!!!!!!!!!!! workinclasszero Sep 2018 #34

We are not a democracy anymore or a nation of laws. Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #35

Franken: "I apologize"...Kavanaugh: "I deny it" brooklynite Sep 2018 #44

Also the number of accusers mythology Sep 2018 #47

But some of the accusations were downright ludicrous. My favorite was that Al Vinca Sep 2018 #48

Sad but true thegoose Sep 2018 #51

He was schumered mikeysnot Sep 2018 #52

I thought his book came out way before this whole stupid tragic series of non-events. mahina Sep 2018 #109

Read it mikeysnot Sep 2018 #134

Roger. That's a damn shame. mahina Sep 2018 #169

Just to save a minute if you were checking, the book was published in May 2017 and the BS storm mahina Sep 2018 #111

Of course he was ailsagirl Sep 2018 #53

I've said it many times... Al was forced out because he didn't defend himself Azathoth Sep 2018 #55

Yeah, sort of. Clearly leanne is a liar, works with and for rightwing filth Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #62

I think Al did asked for a hearing. disndat Sep 2018 #117

An ethics hearing is not due process Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #140

Franken took one for the team Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #138

We expect more from Democrats. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #58

And Clinton's nominees forced to drop out for failing to report undocumented employees ... eppur_se_muova Sep 2018 #61

Kavanaugh is bought and paid for by Trump and the GOP. Freethinker65 Sep 2018 #63

Ha! I was waiting for the predictable on this thread, and was not disappointed DFW Sep 2018 #67

Some wanted to burnish The Wizard Sep 2018 #74

What proof do you have Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #143

Don't forget it started with Roger Stone ratf*cking (via Leann Tweeden) cp Sep 2018 #81

AND...jim jordan still sits in congress spanone Sep 2018 #82

People need to quit bitching about Franken and move on pintobean Sep 2018 #84

No. We need to continue to speak up about the hypocrisy. Remember, it was the Dems who took YOHABLO Sep 2018 #90

No. We need to continue to speak up about the hypocrisy. Remember, it was the Dems who took YOHABLO Sep 2018 #91

Because that will really be helpful pintobean Sep 2018 #94

Time to forgive Al ..... Shoonra Sep 2018 #92

YES jazzcat23 Sep 2018 #96

Unfortunately, this is NOT what was discussed back then between ranking D members. LiberalLovinLug Sep 2018 #98

Good post! Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #145

I remember who the leaders of the pack were proglib217 Sep 2018 #97

I will never forget. Nor will I ever forgive. NurseJackie Sep 2018 #100

You got that right. It wasn't about those allegations at all. Honeycombe8 Sep 2018 #101

What proof do you have of any of that? Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #147

This. Honeycombe8 Sep 2018 #161

And none of that proves your allegations Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #167

Sure it is. It's basic deduction. Starting with...there was no sexual harassment. Honeycombe8 Sep 2018 #176

Not deduction, assumption. Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #179

+1000! Excellent post, thank you! scarletwoman Sep 2018 #170

republican hypocrisy liberal N proud Sep 2018 #104

Very true and deeply regretted right here. mahina Sep 2018 #106

I see more people on DU jumping to Kavanaugh's defense RandySF Sep 2018 #130

Nobody's defending Kavanaugh... brooklynite Sep 2018 #158

defense? qazplm135 Sep 2018 #177

You'll get no argument from me on that. SergeStorms Sep 2018 #144

And Jim Jordan hits the campaign trail in his bid for Speaker of the House and Autumn Sep 2018 #159

This what you get when there is no democratic government . Only Charles and David geretogo Sep 2018 #160

Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2018 #181

It was because of our own female Senators who called him out onetexan Sep 2018 #182