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blogslut

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49. I like your answer.

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 05:38 PM

Sep 2018

A pardon would not help Paul Manafort. He'd still be guilty. He'd still face other charges. His family could go down with him. He's run/running out of money.

There's a saying in law enforcement: "You may beat the rap but you can't beat the ride."

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Ask yourself why Paul Manafort chose not to accept tRump's pardon power as an option. [View all] ffr Sep 2018 OP

Trump was in a bind- Lindsey Graham et al redstateblues Sep 2018 #1

A pardon can't be nullified; a president's pardon power is absolute. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #2

There was no such thing as it being unlawful to own slaves in the constitution either. ffr Sep 2018 #9

Pardons have never been a serious problem before this president. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #32

That's the last thing you want! Separation Sep 2018 #34

We're still in the majority regardless of who is in power, but you're more right than wrong ffr Sep 2018 #35

What if Trump's presidency is nullified, would that also void all his actions? fierywoman Sep 2018 #22

No. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #23

Can I ask you a serious question? jberryhill Sep 2018 #55

I don't get it either. For a political website you would think Lee-Lee Sep 2018 #59

Will you allow me to dream? Thank you. fierywoman Sep 2018 #60

Yeah, sure jberryhill Sep 2018 #62

Robert Reich put the idea forward sweetloukillbot Sep 2018 #63

Trump is rather undependable jcgoldie Sep 2018 #3

He would still face State charges edhopper Sep 2018 #4

That Virginia, New York and California can press charges is exactly why having a Democrat as Blue_true Sep 2018 #12

QFT!! edhopper Sep 2018 #42

Mueller apparently threatened to indict the poisonously awful Michael Flynn son dawg day Sep 2018 #61

Most likely 1, two is unlikely but there is also a third option marylandblue Sep 2018 #5

Trump's pardon power is irrelevant. Perhaps Mueller pointed out how, or PM's lawyers did. RockRaven Sep 2018 #6

And a fourth option... IphengeniaBlumgarten Sep 2018 #7

A pardon doesn't keep you or your family safe from Polonium Loki Liesmith Sep 2018 #8

thats it mshasta Sep 2018 #13

If gets pardoned, he will be able to walk free. IggleDuer Sep 2018 #57

There is no legal basis for 2 so it has to be 1 Takket Sep 2018 #10

Does this not put pressure on Trump to pardon now? Sneederbunk Sep 2018 #11

He's already have given them some stuff, and an outline of what's to come. bettyellen Sep 2018 #39

More like the former, but not exactly. With or without a federal pardon Manafort would go to jail: shanny Sep 2018 #14

There is no evidence of state investigation of Manafort. former9thward Sep 2018 #29

They can turn over what they had to states prosecutors. The crimes that the jury deadlocked on bettyellen Sep 2018 #40

A lot of things are said on Maddow. former9thward Sep 2018 #41

Some crimes have parts that fall under big jurisdictions and can be prosecuted by either. bettyellen Sep 2018 #43

You don't think Mueller would hand it off if Rump tries to go around him? yeah, OK shanny Sep 2018 #52

Ok, former9thward Sep 2018 #56

Thank you. shanny Sep 2018 #58

Trump can't pardon on state crimes JI7 Sep 2018 #15

I think that Mueller is holding a sealed indictment that names NCjack Sep 2018 #16

Perhaps Manafort seriously thinks this. triron Sep 2018 #18

Yes, I think someone he trusts suggested this possibility to him. nt NCjack Sep 2018 #19

The SC court can't overturn pardons. former9thward Sep 2018 #31

No. 2 is a novel thought. Thank you. Very well could be. triron Sep 2018 #17

If Trump pardoned him, Manafort might benefit, but Trump would be a huge loser. Vinca Sep 2018 #20

Mana fort knows that Don the Con is just as guilty n/t malaise Sep 2018 #21

Take the deal on the table vs the pardon that may never come dembotoz Sep 2018 #24

Former Watergate prosecutor on Rachel last night: YessirAtsaFact Sep 2018 #53

Probably because Trump did not want to act until after the election? kentuck Sep 2018 #25

I think he waited for the pardon and didn't get it soon enough. Prison is ugly. PM felt he was above mucifer Sep 2018 #26

I wouldn't bet on that trump-packed SCOTUS nullfying anything. brush Sep 2018 #27

There were civil and state charges as well Zambero Sep 2018 #28

Where have these other charges been brought? onenote Sep 2018 #38

They said they're holding back and not charging everything they can for leverage. bettyellen Sep 2018 #44

Link? onenote Sep 2018 #46

Maddow had some law experts on. They also said he won't get out or get his sentence bettyellen Sep 2018 #47

They haven't yet, but his guilty pleas in federal court would be able to be used against him mythology Sep 2018 #48

It comes down to the money...and fear of the NY Prisons.... The empressof all Sep 2018 #54

Manafort made a deal to protect his wife vlyons Sep 2018 #30

Who trusts Trump? C_U_L8R Sep 2018 #33

The lesser of two evils Mr. Ected Sep 2018 #36

I like your answer. blogslut Sep 2018 #49

Drumpf is a con man. moondust Sep 2018 #37

He Feared for his families safety Skraxx Sep 2018 #45

DT's pardon wouldn't have let him escape convictions for state crimes pnwmom Sep 2018 #50

simpler answer DonCoquixote Sep 2018 #51