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Hortensis

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10. Maria, you're shooting at your allies for your enemies.
Sun Sep 16, 2018, 12:09 PM
Sep 2018

Turn to the right, aim, fire.

You have to realize a big part of why those controlling the Republicans loathe the Democratic Party is that, as Brush said, we have long believed in -- and implemented -- socialized answers for targeted problems, like the VA and to a far lesser degree Medicare and the ACA. Democrats created all 3, after all. That we haven't accomplished more does not mean we're against socialized solutions.

These socialized programs, btw, are far more widespread than you apparently realize, and they were all the result of liberals and moderate conservatives, most Democrats, deciding on the best means for dealing with real-world situations.

How about your own energy? Many energy companies have completely socialized systems. Is one of those yours? Mine here in Georgia is.

The nation is moving toward solar power, and it should all be socialized. The only way that will happen on a large scale, though, is if Democrats get power. In some areas, conservative governments have actually seized property rights so that the energy companies own all power the owner might produce on his own property, even making it illegal for residents to put solar cells on a greenhouse or shed without getting the energy company's permission.

You may also have noticed that the Republicans are trying to get net neutrality declared unconstitutional -- something Kavanaugh is expected to help with. That's because Democrats are trying to socialize the internet, and so Republicans have to destroy any possibility that we might succeed.

Some Republican state governments have made it illegal for communities to provide cell phone service as a utility. Democratic controlled legislatures are going the other way.

You speak of being on the right side of history, but I hope you are coming to understand what side that is. Blue states have many socialized public programs that red states and the federal government do not because Republicans blocked them.

People who want those and other socialized systems need to be on the only side that can make it happen for them -- the Democrats -- and not shooting at Democrats because someone has tricked them into it. Because only one side or the other is going to succeed, Democrats or Republicans. Maybe it shouldn't be that way, but it is.

And after that we will either have things like universal healthcare and the universal basic income Hillary is for but didn't think she had the numbers to run on in 2016, or, if Republicans get control of the Supreme Court, it's likely we will lose all existing socialized and other progressive programs for at least a generation after they're declared unconstitutional. That is their plan.

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Bill Maher Nails it! [View all] Catch2.2 Sep 2018 OP
"We're not socialists, you're traitors." I love that for a Dem slogan. brush Sep 2018 #1
"We are socialists, you are traitors" Pick one, America. Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #2
+1 CentralMass Sep 2018 #3
Missing the point. Repugs are already running anti-socialist ads. brush Sep 2018 #4
Of course they are! Why run scared...did we learn nothing from running away from "liberalism"? Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #5
You're forgetting that socialism is still a bogeyman for millions. brush Sep 2018 #7
We will agree to disagree..."crickets" on the mass propaganda, as Maher says, is foolish. Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #8
Who said anything about crickets? I agree with Maher's: "We're not socialists... brush Sep 2018 #9
Socialism is the greatest hope for millions icaria Sep 2018 #21
Not so fast. Even the Nordic model is not socialism. It's highly taxed capitalism... brush Sep 2018 #24
Then do what Elizabeth Warren did when she ran against Scott Brown. Blue_true Sep 2018 #25
All that is true. No disagreement here, but IMO let's wait until we get in power... brush Sep 2018 #27
We need to confront their charge of socialism by pointing out that all around us socialism Blue_true Sep 2018 #28
You know that and I know that but does the average voter not into... brush Sep 2018 #29
I don't agree with your points, but I agree to disagree and leave things at that. Blue_true Sep 2018 #37
We need to shout that from the fucking rooftops! Initech Sep 2018 #17
I'm not a Socialist Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #30
That's fair. As a matter of fact most calling themselves socialists are following the Nordic... brush Sep 2018 #32
Yes and more regulation Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #34
I'm with you on that. brush Sep 2018 #35
He's right. Dems just don't get it. We're on the right side of history MariaCSR Sep 2018 #6
Maria, you're shooting at your allies for your enemies. Hortensis Sep 2018 #10
Why aren't our people on the Sunday talk shows? MariaCSR Sep 2018 #11
Very good question. Why aren't the Sunday shows Hortensis Sep 2018 #13
So they should just show up and walk into the studio and start talking? Caliman73 Sep 2018 #14
Excellent points, I'd offer Avenatti as a counter example, just for recent comparison. N/t Brogrizzly Sep 2018 #15
He is popular right now because of the sensationalism of the Daniels case. Caliman73 Sep 2018 #18
It's not just a liberal issue, obviously manufactured consent is driven more so on the right. Brogrizzly Sep 2018 #19
YES! YES THEY SHOULD. MariaCSR Sep 2018 #23
And we seem to vilify and get rid Duppers Sep 2018 #16
Agreed Catch2.2 Sep 2018 #20
Apparently he's not listening to his own governor. roamer65 Sep 2018 #12
Bill Maher got the Kavanaugh letter wrong PDittie Sep 2018 #22
Crickets. Traitors underpants Sep 2018 #26
Maher always loves attacking Dems. Trumpocalypse Sep 2018 #31
"Socialism is why you don't have to bring your own highway when you want to drive somewhere." mac56 Sep 2018 #33
Easily understandable bdamomma Sep 2018 #36
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