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OilemFirchen

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63. What about it?

Sun Sep 16, 2018, 08:35 PM

Sep 2018

Who knew how the Internet was going to develop back in 1996? I invested in several CLECs and I knew what the hell I was doing. I lost my ass, along with a shitload of others gambling on local providers. In retrospect it was a boondoggle that obviously benefited major providers, but the concept was in line with the FCC's intent to promote local ownership and competition.

It's unfortunate that Clinton had to pass a new Telecommunications Act to accommodate the Internet while faced with a large Republican majority in Congress. Do you think that GWB would have passed better legislation?

When, exactly, did the Democrats have the opportunity to rewrite the TCA to properly fit its intent? And when did they have the opportunity to reverse the decimation of the FCC which followed? Do you know how many months the Democratic Party has had control of both houses of Congress since 1996? Do you honestly think that's irrelevant?

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The Things Wrong With Dems [View all] JHan Sep 2018 OP

Really? (n/t) PJMcK Sep 2018 #1

Really. nt sheshe2 Sep 2018 #15

+1000 sheshe2 Sep 2018 #2

;) this also works: JHan Sep 2018 #12

Ha! sheshe2 Sep 2018 #13

Heh betsuni Sep 2018 #23

I don't know how I get up in the morning. Hortensis Sep 2018 #3

.. and somehow, some way , someone can justify making this horror the fault of Dems. JHan Sep 2018 #4

There's something wrong with them. Hortensis Sep 2018 #5

Oh so agree, Wellstone ruled Sep 2018 #6

"Why aren't the Dems.....?" mcar Sep 2018 #31

+++++++++ JHan Sep 2018 #32

+1 betsuni Sep 2018 #33

This is the worst part of it. joshcryer Sep 2018 #94

Or to fail to vote against just that? Hortensis Sep 2018 #96

It's not fair. Democrats get all the criticism and even when you prove the accusation false, betsuni Sep 2018 #7

These things are why I won't talk politics with people who parrot ismnotwasm Sep 2018 #8

George Lakoff has theorized it's gendered. JHan Sep 2018 #9

I was just thinking about that. betsuni Sep 2018 #10

In a nutshell. JHan Sep 2018 #11

And! sheshe2 Sep 2018 #14

That is really interesting ismnotwasm Sep 2018 #41

Yeah but even then, I'm not tempted to write off white women so easily.. JHan Sep 2018 #43

Oh I agree ismnotwasm Sep 2018 #48

Susan Sarandon is an entitled airhead, not "white feminism in human form." Screw that for a critique Hekate Sep 2018 #97

If Sarandon was "white feminism in human form" that would be ironic since she refuses to betsuni Sep 2018 #106

Taking some random Tweet about a twit and using it to slur all white women goes way too far Hekate Sep 2018 #107

Dems don't take the media and their owners to task in a meaninful consolidated way. We have ceded JCanete Sep 2018 #16

okay. JHan Sep 2018 #17

My point about Lieberman is that mainstream democrats helped to saddle us with him. The democratic JCanete Sep 2018 #18

Why didn't/don't Democrats stop (fill in the blank). betsuni Sep 2018 #19

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. I vote for Dems. JCanete Sep 2018 #20

If you don't know that Republicans are the problem, I can't help you. betsuni Sep 2018 #22

How many different ways do I have to recognize that Republicans are a problem. But Republicans JCanete Sep 2018 #50

JCanete, as we all know, by far most people vote for Democratic Hortensis Sep 2018 #25

Oddly enough I see that sabotage from the other side...constantly going after liberals and their JCanete Sep 2018 #53

Some good points. But where are the half of all Americans Hortensis Sep 2018 #58

The problem is what the Democrats have done is to continue to pretend that the republicans are JCanete Sep 2018 #122

Always "they." It's us. "It's the vote, stupid." Hortensis Sep 2018 #123

Yeah....part of the argument is how do you make sure we get the vote. I have a feeling telling JCanete Sep 2018 #124

Apparently some of us could use another sign on the wall. Hortensis Sep 2018 #125

Lieberman is not a new phenomenon in politics. JHan Sep 2018 #26

Yes, all corporate donors are bad, because they aren't contributing out of any kind of altruistic JCanete Sep 2018 #55

okay JHan Sep 2018 #57

I'll just say its not a purity argument I'm making. Its one of strategy, and I think mainsteam JCanete Sep 2018 #59

okay, well we already agree Dems need to take back congress. JHan Sep 2018 #60

I know, right? OilemFirchen Sep 2018 #29

What about this one? JCanete Sep 2018 #56

What about it? OilemFirchen Sep 2018 #63

Our Revolution's decision to take untraceable money is absolutely a problem WhiteTara Sep 2018 #35

Is That Kin To Tax Returns That Remain Hidden? Me. Sep 2018 #37

Yes, it seems that democrats are the only ones with any honor WhiteTara Sep 2018 #38

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Me. Sep 2018 #40

um...you know that other organizations that support democrats do this right? The only reason JCanete Sep 2018 #54

What they are doing is so hypocritical that WhiteTara Sep 2018 #61

This. shanny Sep 2018 #39

how would the threat of a more liberal candidate treestar Sep 2018 #46

I think that really depends on what kind of impact such a candidate could have...whether JCanete Sep 2018 #52

I live in the real world where one does not rely on magic Gothmog Sep 2018 #65

Omygerd, you are an elite wealthy donor class person! betsuni Sep 2018 #73

My kids tease me about this but I know real members of the donor class Gothmog Sep 2018 #79

oops...my bad betsuni, thought this was posted to me and was confused. nt JCanete Sep 2018 #120

Are you kidding? Gothmog Sep 2018 #83

This, Gothmog Hekate Sep 2018 #102

oh, so your version of good media is at least covering the facts on Trump? That's the lowest JCanete Sep 2018 #119

The real world is a nice place even though magic does not work Gothmog Sep 2018 #129

Goth you're a broken record and you need new material. No, I don't propose that Sanders use magic JCanete Sep 2018 #131

So democrats are supposed to stamp their feet and wait for a magical voter revolution? Gothmog Sep 2018 #134

by the way, what's a "real" democrat? JCanete Sep 2018 #121

Are you being defensive? Gothmog Sep 2018 #130

That explanation falls flat. You were talking about electing 'real democrats', not about JCanete Sep 2018 #132

Any yet you complain that the press is not paying attention to sanders and his silly proposals Gothmog Sep 2018 #133

Most people are not ignoring his proposals. and the news walks a fine line. If it ignores for too JCanete Sep 2018 #136

Magic does not work in the real world Gothmog Sep 2018 #137

Change has happened to superdelegates, and I remember a certain poster posting a few threads JCanete Sep 2018 #141

The quid pro quo for the superdelegate rule is that sanders cannot run without joining party Gothmog Sep 2018 #143

I get that you're upset at corporate media.. JHan Sep 2018 #138

I disagree with you that it is bad to question reporting or motives. It is bad to do this in a JCanete Sep 2018 #140

I never, ever said that it's bad to question reporting. JHan Sep 2018 #142

Fair enough. And true, Fox and BBC are absolutely not the same. Fox isn't interested in maintaining JCanete Sep 2018 #144

So Democrats are to hold their breath and refused favorable media coverage? Gothmog Sep 2018 #139

Wonderful analysis JustAnotherGen Sep 2018 #21

Absolutely spot on! brer cat Sep 2018 #24

Im honestly not sure what the point of this is. TheFarseer Sep 2018 #27

My points were clear. JHan Sep 2018 #28

What are your criticisms of the Democratic Party? betsuni Sep 2018 #34

How DARE anyone defend Democrats and the Democratic party, eh? NurseJackie Sep 2018 #42

It's divisive to point out unfair attacks, Kafka couldn't make this up. JHan Sep 2018 #49

the particular criticisms were stated treestar Sep 2018 #45

It made no sense TheFarseer Sep 2018 #62

You're invested in blaming "the establishment" for the results of 2016 primaries.. JHan Sep 2018 #66

You honestly can't see the advantage TheFarseer Sep 2018 #67

I agreed with her critiques of his plans.. JHan Sep 2018 #68

+1 betsuni Sep 2018 #69

Magic does not work in the real world Gothmog Sep 2018 #71

Here goes TheFarseer Sep 2018 #80

Ah yes , of course we're back to... JHan Sep 2018 #81

Wow. We are having separate conversations TheFarseer Sep 2018 #84

Well I'm able to follow conversations well. JHan Sep 2018 #85

That link TheFarseer Sep 2018 #86

It is called math Gothmog Sep 2018 #89

forever a classic. JHan Sep 2018 #91

Clinton had a huge lead in pledged delegates going into California Gothmog Sep 2018 #92

When the words "rigged" and "primary" are anywhere near each other in a conversation: betsuni Sep 2018 #117

So funny! betsuni Sep 2018 #116

The selection process was effectively over after Super Tuesday Gothmog Sep 2018 #105

California is a very small part of the argument TheFarseer Sep 2018 #108

Try using facts and your words to explain your point Gothmog Sep 2018 #110

Texas had the Texas two step in 2008 Gothmog Sep 2018 #87

+++This JHan Sep 2018 #88

The system was not rigged Gothmog Sep 2018 #90

I'm going to declare victory TheFarseer Sep 2018 #109

If that helps you sleep during the night? JHan Sep 2018 #111

"I'm going to declare victory. ... There is no point talking to you any further." betsuni Sep 2018 #114

lol... JHan Sep 2018 #115

Have you made any "points"? Gothmog Sep 2018 #112

You are attacking the Democratic establishment for not believing in magic. Gothmog Sep 2018 #70

+1 betsuni Sep 2018 #72

Have fun in the real world TheFarseer Sep 2018 #76

Change works in the real world but it takes hard work Gothmog Sep 2018 #77

++++ JHan Sep 2018 #82

+1000 Power 2 the People Sep 2018 #104

If you disagree, then use facts to back up your claims Gothmog Sep 2018 #99

You obviously care deeply about my feelings TheFarseer Sep 2018 #118

LOL. Thank you for admitting that you have no facts backing up your claims Gothmog Sep 2018 #127

Oh, this is sad. betsuni Sep 2018 #128

But amusing Gothmog Sep 2018 #135

K&f'ing R! mcar Sep 2018 #30

kr Me. Sep 2018 #36

"Where are the Dems?" as if the media does not treestar Sep 2018 #44

Also division brings in profits. JHan Sep 2018 #47

Things wrong with Democrats: Cracklin Charlie Sep 2018 #51

I find these attacks on the Democratic Party amusing as does the OP Gothmog Sep 2018 #64

Trying to make change . . . peggysue2 Sep 2018 #74

Change takes hard work in the real world Gothmog Sep 2018 #78

Thank you! A much better encapsulation than the original post. Thekaspervote Sep 2018 #126

K&R Jamaal510 Sep 2018 #75

Amen Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2018 #93

Yep, Centrist has become a very blunt cudgel and could mean anything at anytime. JHan Sep 2018 #101

Yup. Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2018 #103

Recommended reading, JHan. Thanks. Hekate Sep 2018 #95

Honesty can be hurtful Separation Sep 2018 #98

Agreed Gothmog Sep 2018 #100

Like the FACT that HIllary is or was one of the most liberal Senators of all time Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #113

This is my favorite thread of 2018. Nicely done! NurseJackie Sep 2018 #145