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Zalatix

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68. Enough with the anti-American worker bigotry. Those jobs belong to us. Period. Dot. Stop.

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 03:37 AM

Aug 2012

All four of your points are classic Right Wing sound bites. And all of them are dead wrong.

1) Hatred and disregard for education. A common RW sentiment.

2) More hatred and disregard for the educated workforce. Panders to the cheap labor mindset.

3) Outright lying about college IT grads by claiming they can't write code. A pile of completely unfounded horsecrap passed off as an argument.

4) Claiming that American engineers are poorly skilled. More completely unfounded garbage.

Absolutely none of your points are based on any facts or cited evidence.

Ever wonder why 91 percent of Democrats now OPPOSE offshoring? http://news.yahoo.com/made-america-policies-hugely-popular-survey-shows-210425838--abc-news-politics.html

It's because we see through the lies you're trying to sell here.

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The H1B issue: Yes, American workers, YOU DO QUALIFY FOR THAT JOB. [View all] Zalatix Aug 2012 OP

K&R baldguy Aug 2012 #1

Du rec. Nt xchrom Aug 2012 #2

The video at the end is the end all to the H1 argument, these companies are taught NOT TO HIRE uponit7771 Aug 2012 #3

I was a hiring manager Indian Invasion Oct 2012 #134

Are you saying that you paid Americans a different salary for the same job Ms. Toad Oct 2012 #135

I am indian loansstore Aug 2012 #4

I'd ask where you're posting from if you didn't get a visa, but... JHB Aug 2012 #5

There could be a number of factors for this including the Obama admin catching on to H1B visa issues uponit7771 Aug 2012 #17

It has, and always will be about procuring cheap labor, laws are meant to be sidelined by the new mother earth Aug 2012 #6

There is NO shortage of qualified americans, only a corporate desire to pay less than market rates on point Aug 2012 #7

Reminds me of a person who murdered his parents and ... twins.fan Aug 2012 #42

Corporations are bringing in cheap, cheap labor because the only organization fasttense Aug 2012 #8

"Most of those H1B laborers got their education tuition free." abelenkpe Aug 2012 #26

Nurses were pointing this out..... AnneD Aug 2012 #9

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2012 #18

Nice work, Zalatix. K&R. Brickbat Aug 2012 #10

Nicely done ChromeFoundry Aug 2012 #11

Work Visa Programs Like H-1B Target Experienced Americans Dr Gene Nelson Aug 2012 #12

Welcome to DU Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #29

good post eShirl Aug 2012 #108

Excellent post. 99Forever Aug 2012 #13

H1Bs have to be paid the Prevailing Wage treestar Aug 2012 #14

And if you put a tooth under your pillow, you'll get a shiny nickel!! jeff47 Aug 2012 #20

*crickets* Zalatix Aug 2012 #23

Prevailing wage is the one published by the DOL and freely available online WilmywoodNCparalegal Aug 2012 #25

Here's the key parts jeff47 Aug 2012 #43

You've already been shown proof in the OP that you are flat-out wrong. Zalatix Aug 2012 #22

Funny abelenkpe Aug 2012 #27

Except that's not what's happening. Did you read the links in the OP and in the thread, btw? sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #36

Post #34 is further proof that H1Bs are underpaid. Do you have any counter-evidence? Zalatix Aug 2012 #54

So funny, it's sad. SteveSmithCharlotte Aug 2012 #59

jsut like gkr Sep 2012 #131

Hey, where'd ya go? Union Scribe Aug 2012 #90

HA! eShirl Aug 2012 #109

K & R AzDar Aug 2012 #15

H1B or how to filp a page in a manual without the caller hearing DainBramaged Aug 2012 #16

I work in an IT field OnionPatch Aug 2012 #19

+1 sarcasmo Aug 2012 #31

you are right on the money gkr Sep 2012 #132

Well Said and Agreed OhioChick Aug 2012 #21

Lots of inaccuracies about H-1Bs and a general misunderstanding of how the legal immigration process WilmywoodNCparalegal Aug 2012 #24

Thanks for an informed post. But I'm not sure it disproves the claims that sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #38

Could you at least be consistent when trying to justify destroying my profession? jeff47 Aug 2012 #45

same here Panasonic Aug 2012 #49

you are missing out gkr Sep 2012 #133

Yes, lots of inaccuracies and many of them coming from you. n/t Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #47

Well done! Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #28

I would bet that master's or phd degrees in engineering are not needed for many of those "jobs". L0oniX Aug 2012 #30

Take a look SteveSmithCharlotte Aug 2012 #60

Great post Zalatix twins.fan Aug 2012 #32

Welcome to DU twins.fan sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #37

Dice has been at the veyr center of this scam since its inception. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #48

Thanks for the info, I had never heard of it. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #51

Strictly IT, or at least used to be. And you're always welcome. n/t Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #52

Wow! And Welcome to DU! Zalatix Aug 2012 #53

Cannot issue private message twins.fan Aug 2012 #55

An IT labor economics lesson from Memphis for IBM antigop Aug 2012 #33

The underpayment of H-1Bs is well-established fact, not rumor, anecdote or ideology. antigop Aug 2012 #34

Are H-1B Workers Getting Bilked? twins.fan Aug 2012 #56

Relative to their home country, no bilking. Relative to US workers, yes. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2012 #61

Patni is from a country whose corruption is legendary twins.fan Aug 2012 #62

I'm speaking more of the opportunity to the specific worker jeff47 Aug 2012 #64

Bingo! rock Aug 2012 #35

kicked southmost Aug 2012 #39

K&R Don't forget the ever-popular change the job title strategy. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #40

K&R for the excellent rebuttal and bullship cleanup duty. n/t pa28 Aug 2012 #41

HB-1's also point to the nasty side of Corps Hydra Aug 2012 #44

Yes the corporations are nasty, but so are their proxies twins.fan Aug 2012 #63

Damn Straight. It's about time we started putting Americans first. American Made Aug 2012 #46

We are the only ones who can change it too! twins.fan Aug 2012 #65

The Labor Party is Dead..eom pipoman Aug 2012 #50

Lying and cheating. SouthAsian59 Aug 2012 #57

There's always at least one in every crowd SteveSmithCharlotte Aug 2012 #58

I totally agree. Thank You agent zero Aug 2012 #66

Racism masked as "Dey took er jobs!" boppers Aug 2012 #67

Enough with the anti-American worker bigotry. Those jobs belong to us. Period. Dot. Stop. Zalatix Aug 2012 #68

Ahh, ultra-nationalism. joshcryer Aug 2012 #69

What is your problem with American workers having jobs, anyway? Zalatix Aug 2012 #70

I'm pro-immigrant and therefore think that they should *be* American citizens. joshcryer Aug 2012 #72

They're being used as pools of cheap labor. You keep denying this. Why is that? Zalatix Aug 2012 #74

Where have I "denied that" they lower wages under the current system? joshcryer Aug 2012 #76

I want the American citizen Engineers who are out of work to get those jobs first. Period. Zalatix Aug 2012 #78

As I said, ultranationalism. I want whoever is experienced to get whatever... joshcryer Aug 2012 #79

And you are still trying to sell bigotry. Zalatix Aug 2012 #81

They have a right to not work as engineers, too. joshcryer Aug 2012 #82

You lie once again. The problem is not incompetency, though you'd like to accuse Americans of that. Zalatix Aug 2012 #85

It has nothing to do with dirt cheap wages, it's about education... joshcryer Aug 2012 #88

It has everything to do with cheap labor. You are still wrong in accusing Americans of incompetence. Zalatix Aug 2012 #91

Cheap labor is a side effect, not a reason for it. joshcryer Aug 2012 #92

It is not a side effect, it is the primary lure of hiring H1B's. Zalatix Aug 2012 #95

Since you've now simply begun repeating yourself... joshcryer Aug 2012 #97

And I don't take kindly to you boldly lying about American workers, either. Zalatix Aug 2012 #100

By the numbers: boppers Aug 2012 #111

By the numbers - you're still spouting baseless assertions. Zalatix Aug 2012 #112

Okay... boppers Aug 2012 #115

Still no facts, just your hateful and ultra-biased opinions. Your argument is 100% FAIL. Zalatix Aug 2012 #117

See: Dice.com boppers Aug 2012 #119

LOL you don't even know how to back up your assertions, do you? Zalatix Aug 2012 #121

Here is the problem: SteveSmithCharlotte Aug 2012 #127

People don't understand the screening tests these companies have for hiring. joshcryer Aug 2012 #89

More desperate lies about American workers. Zalatix Aug 2012 #102

You've repeatedly called me a liar without showing it. joshcryer Aug 2012 #103

I called you a liar because you FAILED to prove your claim. Zalatix Aug 2012 #105

But if you pay for college, shouldn't you get a job? boppers Aug 2012 #113

Daily Kos: My Problems with the Programmers Guild joshcryer Aug 2012 #71

Right wing talking point? 91% of Democrats are on my side, not yours. Have a nice day! Zalatix Aug 2012 #73

Insourcing is different from outsourcing. Nice straw man though. joshcryer Aug 2012 #75

We already have a GLUT of American engineers with ADVANCED DEGREES looking for work. Zalatix Aug 2012 #77

That is patently false. Unemployment for engineers it 2%. TWO PERCENT. joshcryer Aug 2012 #80

What I said is perfectly correct. And I have cites, too. Zalatix Aug 2012 #83

I guess you want Obama to "dance a jig" too? I addressed that in #82. joshcryer Aug 2012 #84

Oooh, and now you're being racist, too. "Obama dance a jig"? Where did that BS come from? Zalatix Aug 2012 #86

There's a reason that demand for engineers is high. joshcryer Aug 2012 #87

No, it has nothing to do with "failure to educate our citizens". Zero. Zip. Nada. Zalatix Aug 2012 #93

I just quoted the stat and you repeated yourself! joshcryer Aug 2012 #94

I repeated myself because your "facts" are in error. Your "evidence" is as clear as mud. Zalatix Aug 2012 #96

You're saying the Brookings Institute is lying. joshcryer Aug 2012 #98

Yup, I sure am saying their "facts" are half-truths. And they are half-truths. Zalatix Aug 2012 #101

The unemployment rate for engineers is currently 4.9% SteveSmithCharlotte Aug 2012 #129

Tech doesn't win by votes. boppers Aug 2012 #116

Tech doesn't win by your baseless assertions, either. Zalatix Aug 2012 #118

Here's a fun question I once got asked: boppers Aug 2012 #120

Nice story. Zalatix Aug 2012 #122

Brookings Institute on H1Bs: joshcryer Aug 2012 #99

No shortage of QUALIFIED American Engineers. Sorry, you're wrong again. Zalatix Aug 2012 #104

Brookings Makes No Sense Here SteveSmithCharlotte Aug 2012 #125

The DailyKos post shows why Labor is screwed ... SteveSmithCharlotte Aug 2012 #124

If companies are abusing the H1B one system then fine them. davidpdx Aug 2012 #106

Better than a $5 million fine Zalatix Aug 2012 #107

Yeah that sounds good davidpdx Aug 2012 #110

And third strike = Federal prison time. Zalatix Aug 2012 #114

davidpdx, the problem is SteveSmithCharlotte Aug 2012 #126

Steve I believe you davidpdx Aug 2012 #128

Zalatix, this thread is a monument to why labor is screwed in this country .... SteveSmithCharlotte Aug 2012 #123

I totally agree we need to talk more about the illegal immigration problem. agent zero Aug 2012 #130