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Bluenorthwest

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142. I have an internatinonal life, and friends in many, many countries. We all discuss politics

Sun Aug 12, 2012, 09:47 AM

Aug 2012

and many of us are freewheeling when we do so. I have never in my life met anyone who carries on international political discussions in his fashion. Respect always comes first and questions always get answers. Yet ask him 'why are you interested in this' and he gets all emoticonish and acts as if no one would ever ask such a question. Feigns offense that anyone would dare ask him why he spends a great deal of time not speaking his mind about American policy as a Canadian but spouting insults at Americans regarding policy discussions.
I've spoken and raised funds more than once in Ontario Canada. Flew hours to get there to do so. Same goes for BC and Alberta and Quebec. Just saying. I love Canada enough to travel there to help Canadians, I certainly love them enough to answer simple and direct questions if asked about my interest in Canadian issues and culture.....

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WTF is wrong with Democrats that want to cut Social Security and/or Medicare? [View all] MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 OP

They are not Democrats. kentuck Aug 2012 #1

Seconded. Jackpine Radical Aug 2012 #3

Thirded. "They all do it" is the GOP's second favorite slogan. McCamy Taylor Aug 2012 #220

Fourthed. I wonder how many of them were Reagan Democrats, or former Moderate Republicans? sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #245

Fifthed. Try saying that three times quickly. hay rick Aug 2012 #271

For sure! Lydia Leftcoast Aug 2012 #18

Thus, I'm pointing out, this includes Bill Clinton... MrMickeysMom Aug 2012 #32

Nobody answered my question from earlier... Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2012 #60

Funny, wasn't it? MrMickeysMom Aug 2012 #61

Please see #88, below. In 1993, Bill Clinton reduced Social Security benefits by increasing the AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #91

Yes. Thanks to Clinton, Social Security is means-tested in that those who receive. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #104

Reagan started that. Clinton increased it. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #113

Like I said... THUS, this includes the big dawg... MrMickeysMom Aug 2012 #184

That's the third way Democrats that Manny talks about a lot. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #223

did you see this? HiPointDem Aug 2012 #226

Okay, I see what he was saying MrMickeysMom Aug 2012 #320

I'll point a finger at him: He's a Third Way Democrat and, if I'm not mistaken, whathehell Aug 2012 #303

Clinton snookered us Plucketeer Aug 2012 #65

Lots of them snookered us... MrMickeysMom Aug 2012 #67

Corporate tentacles run deep. woo me with science Aug 2012 #43

Republicans want to cut the roots out from the TREE of LIBERTY. CarmanK Aug 2012 #189

Agreed, any objective observer would have to agree with you /nt Dragonfli Aug 2012 #56

Exactly, MNBrewer Aug 2012 #89

Do you include Obama in this assesment? lark Aug 2012 #181

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Aug 2012 #105

+2,000,000,000 FTTW Vincardog Aug 2012 #227

+1 HiPointDem Aug 2012 #112

No real Democrat would support such extreme positions. Scuba Aug 2012 #118

Umm, they're Democrats, all right. They, like our country, have rushed to the right. SusanaMontana41 Aug 2012 #214

My sentiments exactly! liberal N proud Aug 2012 #256

Are you opposed to cutting fraud? boppers Aug 2012 #2

No MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #9

The BIGGEST fraud to Medicare is coming from the private sector. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #68

But if you attack that fraud, you are "cutting medicare". eom boppers Aug 2012 #119

the proposed cuts are not primarily based on "cutting fraud" Ken Burch Aug 2012 #127

The best way to get rid of fraud from Medicare is to get rid of the 'fraudsters' altogether. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #262

Because it's not prosecuted? boppers Aug 2012 #300

What is "cutting fraud" salib Aug 2012 #82

Less fraud = less money = cut. boppers Aug 2012 #121

There's virtually no fraud on the part of medicare patients Ken Burch Aug 2012 #126

The point of "cutting fraud" shouldn't be to spend less on Medicare Ken Burch Aug 2012 #128

Give me a break! Curmudgeoness Aug 2012 #160

If that was all that *both* parties are considering there would not be a problem newthinking Aug 2012 #199

You can't possibly be this stupid. jeff47 Aug 2012 #261

Where is the Fraud? sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #263

why do you hate America? seanpencil Aug 2012 #95

The colors bother me. boppers Aug 2012 #120

I agree with you on nothing, woo me with science Aug 2012 #156

Of course not. But that isn't what this is about Ken Burch Aug 2012 #102

So, if you're fine with medicare fraud, tax fraud, and other fraud... boppers Aug 2012 #122

medicare fraud on the part of patients is a trivially small problem Ken Burch Aug 2012 #125

There is no Medicare Fraud. Patients are not committing Fraud, Medicare is not committing sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #264

Get a 'treatment". Doctor gets paid $1000 for it. boppers Aug 2012 #299

I've been ProSense Aug 2012 #4

I think the original post is not amount Dems supporting the Ryan budget, but about supporting a limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #21

Yes, you know, the third way site its'self perhaps? Dragonfli Aug 2012 #23

So ProSense Aug 2012 #34

They have been pushing that meme ever since, and are still today, it is the PLAN Dragonfli Aug 2012 #48

July 2012 3 Way says "entitlements" such as SS are squeezing investments and need "reform" jtuck004 Aug 2012 #108

Oh, and ProSense Aug 2012 #36

It is not bullshit, else you could refute it, lame man love is what it is.... Dragonfli Aug 2012 #42

Actually, ProSense Aug 2012 #45

Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #49

Yup... SidDithers Aug 2012 #63

This is fun for you? girl gone mad Aug 2012 #98

Actually, JDPriestly Aug 2012 #107

Call it ProSense Aug 2012 #152

actually it's always more fun reading descriptions of rhetoric/behavior stupidicus Aug 2012 #269

"lame man love"?... SidDithers Aug 2012 #64

I know, right? StrictlyRockers Aug 2012 #77

Excellent post. Thank you. woo me with science Aug 2012 #46

Erskine Bowles and Timothy Geithner are two good examples of people who JDPriestly Aug 2012 #106

Can you ProSense Aug 2012 #153

None other than Ezra Klein in the Washington Post. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #222

Third Way = DLC = Not Democrats cantbeserious Aug 2012 #5

That is the simple math of it, yes. But we are supposed to applaud this Republican ideology because Dragonfli Aug 2012 #33

Personally, I Believe The DLC and DLC Members To Be Despicable Sell Outs cantbeserious Aug 2012 #35

So Obama called Romney and got him to pick Ryan, so that when Obama wins, Obama can carry JoePhilly Aug 2012 #6

Yes, that's what I said MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #16

I notice you provided no link to who these 3rd way people were who were thrilled Romney JoePhilly Aug 2012 #17

I never claimed people were thrilled MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #20

You say "they're defending cuts again" ... which THEY Manny? JoePhilly Aug 2012 #22

Sorry, I'm not going to call out DUers. MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #26

That is the best you could come up with? Fox News does better. JoePhilly Aug 2012 #29

Are *you* against any cuts to Social Security? nt MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #31

** Crickets ** MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #47

Nice attempt to change the subject from your bullshit OP emulatorloo Aug 2012 #166

So typical: a personal attack rather than arguing the facts MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #172

So typical - projection, distraction and misdirection emulatorloo Aug 2012 #180

What, specifically, have I misrepresented? nt MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #190

You are desperately trying to distract from Ryan and project his budget on to Democrats emulatorloo Aug 2012 #209

And again, a fact-free post with zero examples MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #218

Review your OP. Create Strawman Democrat. Project Ryan Plan onto Strawman Democrat emulatorloo Aug 2012 #244

So how about you? Jakes Progress Aug 2012 #260

You prefer ignorance perhaps, but a quick perusal of the third way site will prove Manny correct Dragonfli Aug 2012 #27

So why not name the people? JoePhilly Aug 2012 #30

Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #40

Two of them are named Erskine Bowles and Timothy Geithner JDPriestly Aug 2012 #110

Wow, doesn't twisting like that hurt your back? n/t Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #130

Because third way blue dogs are not Democrats. MrSlayer Aug 2012 #7

Blue Dogs would be bad enough MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #12

I don't think using homophobic slurs are FDR style Democratic values. Son of Gob Aug 2012 #70

Homophobic? MrSlayer Aug 2012 #73

You don't think calling someone a cocksucker is homophobic? Son of Gob Aug 2012 #79

In his defense, I think many use that term without really thinking what it means. sweetloukillbot Aug 2012 #84

Seems like common sense to me Son of Gob Aug 2012 #85

No. MrSlayer Aug 2012 #92

Why do we use "fuck you" as an insult? whathehell Aug 2012 #301

Whatever. MrSlayer Aug 2012 #304

"Whatever"...Yeah, that about sums up the amount of consideration anyone but men, gay or straight whathehell Aug 2012 #305

Alright. MrSlayer Aug 2012 #306

Thanks for ALL your concern, lol. whathehell Aug 2012 #307

Wow. Overreact much? MrSlayer Aug 2012 #321

Wow. Do you? whathehell Aug 2012 #323

Likewise. MrSlayer Aug 2012 #325

I will! whathehell Aug 2012 #326

Oh, and based on your own numbers, we should cut medicare by 5-9%. boppers Aug 2012 #8

No, we should cut the cost of health care MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #10

If you cut the cost, you are cutting Medicare funding. boppers Aug 2012 #13

No, that is inaccurate. Cutting costs without cutting funding is a way to get more benefit from Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #134

Just the opposite, if we followed other countries direction and expanded Medicare to all suffragette Aug 2012 #193

Bingo. laundry_queen Aug 2012 #294

Yes, the solution is contained within the examples of the systems and results suffragette Aug 2012 #327

Watch what you say, Manny. Before long you'll be accused of demanding Democrats march in lock-step! Zalatix Aug 2012 #11

Ask Manny to name the Dems who used the Ryan selection to call for cuts on SS today. JoePhilly Aug 2012 #25

Ask Joe where Manny said that MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #28

Thanks to Romney's Hail Mary pick for his ticket, again we're seeing the Third Way types out in forc spanone Aug 2012 #37

Are you aware that "correlation does not prove causality"? MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #39

You said this ... did you not read your own OP???? JoePhilly Aug 2012 #41

i tried spanone Aug 2012 #44

Seems pretty clear to me...nt SidDithers Aug 2012 #58

rec SammyWinstonJack Aug 2012 #14

who are they? spanone Aug 2012 #15

Now would be a good time for reporters to ask all candidates abelenkpe Aug 2012 #19

What reporters? We used to have reporters. Now we have narcissistic stenographers who want their AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #94

You are right of course abelenkpe Aug 2012 #164

Narcissistic stenographers who want their participation to be more important than objective facts. laundry_queen Aug 2012 #295

Wow...the nerve still twinges Hydra Aug 2012 #24

Yup ProSense Aug 2012 #38

Hey Pro: Are *you* against any cuts to Social Security payments? nt MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #54

Hi- Have I seen you somewhere before? Hydra Aug 2012 #57

This one is clearly important to them. woo me with science Aug 2012 #51

Good post... If one needs to be reminded that social security is not the problem that is destroying midnight Aug 2012 #50

It's so early in the election season for 'divide and conquer" but I'm sure seeing it a lot lately.. progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #52

Well, Romney announced his VP choice today... SidDithers Aug 2012 #59

I was just thinking that myself Whisp Aug 2012 #66

If you are a Canadian who is ineligible to vote in American elections, why do you care and why AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #96

And what's your stake in this, as a Canadian, not a Democrat at all? Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #135

... SidDithers Aug 2012 #207

Keep trying, Manny... SidDithers Aug 2012 #53

How's your Medicare working out for you? Fuddnik Aug 2012 #71

... SidDithers Aug 2012 #74

Does Canada have Medicare? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #97

... SidDithers Aug 2012 #123

Does that mean that you don't know? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #124

It is not funny Sid. You are here advocating cuts in a nation that is not your own. Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #137

I'll just say Puglover Aug 2012 #139

I have an internatinonal life, and friends in many, many countries. We all discuss politics Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #142

Thanks for this MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #150

+2000. Yup, right on. nt riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #155

Well said, Bluenorthwest. n/t Laelth Aug 2012 #266

What you said Blue... 2banon Aug 2012 #272

Excellent post. A lot of people would like to see those questions answered. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #286

Well said. woo me with science Aug 2012 #311

Here is a link to the Ontario Ministry of Health and Long-Term Care Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #143

Canada must have Medicare or something better. That's why they are always rolling on the floor Autumn Aug 2012 #149

It's sad but amusing that Whisp Aug 2012 #163

Insurance Finance Reform, Heath care Reform Autumn Aug 2012 #167

Canada did not get the health care we have in only 4 years. Whisp Aug 2012 #176

Reform attempts have gone on longer than 4 years. You might not be aware of that. Autumn Aug 2012 #183

or Whisp Aug 2012 #188

My kind of thinking is more prevalent here in the USA than what you would think. Autumn Aug 2012 #195

what would be your answer to Obama successfully passing a full universal care program you want? Whisp Aug 2012 #200

Why do I think the US is so far behind on this basic human right? Simple, our politicians Autumn Aug 2012 #215

if he let the repuglicans frame everything Whisp Aug 2012 #219

Well they sure loved it and praised it when it was Romeycare. Autumn Aug 2012 #225

there are a lot of people that are realizing that yes, health care has been reformed Whisp Aug 2012 #228

Question here. How are your elections in Canada financed? Autumn Aug 2012 #231

I got a quick link here: Whisp Aug 2012 #232

Wow. Thank you for that link. Autumn Aug 2012 #253

if you are interested please look up Tommy Douglas in Canadian politics Whisp Aug 2012 #280

They don't hate it. They got what they wanted when got the mandate. This plan saved the sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #288

44,000 Americans die each year in the US for lack of HC, including those who have 'Coverage' sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #287

I don't think anyone is laughing about your lack of health care Whisp Aug 2012 #289

No, your friend Sid is highly amused by the frustration of those who would like to stop sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #290

what I think is you should just cool your jets and watch those accusations. Whisp Aug 2012 #293

I'm afraid you don't understand. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #297

"Cool your jets," followed by "I can understand your pain and frustration," woo me with science Aug 2012 #310

No, I'm amused when your arguments descend to "You're Canadian"... SidDithers Aug 2012 #308

Sabrina, woo me with science Aug 2012 #312

Thank you wmws. I didn't really expect it to have any impact at all on certain people, but for those sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #315

I hope so, too. woo me with science Aug 2012 #316

Not Democrats. woo me with science Aug 2012 #55

Most of these people want to retire from the congress NeeDeep Aug 2012 #62

Is it just about retiring from Congress with these folks Ken Burch Aug 2012 #100

100% agree. Jamaal510 Aug 2012 #69

Agree with the agree. nt hay rick Aug 2012 #75

Many have bought into the idea that there will be no Social Security/Medicare when they get old jwirr Aug 2012 #72

That drumbeat has been pounding loudly since Reagan years suffragette Aug 2012 #202

Please tell us what to do about the fact that Medicare has evolved as THE adjunct to for-profit care patrice Aug 2012 #76

Patrice...you are on the right track..the Ontario health Care plan for seniors.is a good basic plan nenagh Aug 2012 #87

This is a hard thing to talk about here, because there are those who put their political patrice Aug 2012 #177

Here's an idea. Require any and every provider to accept Medicare. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #133

Democrats should be advocating expanding these programs. Yet NONE are. harun Aug 2012 #78

Yes! That's the way to fight back! MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #80

+100000 woo me with science Aug 2012 #101

That would have made a better OP SunSeeker Aug 2012 #154

Maybe they've been snorting Koch with Republicans Jack Rabbit Aug 2012 #81

50th Rec. Just reindex the top up rate a bit. Problem solved. leveymg Aug 2012 #83

Rnablers. Octafish Aug 2012 #99

Enemies with benefits. We became the enemy, displaced them from Wall St,and that drives them crazy. leveymg Aug 2012 #141

I see no significant difference between the Third Way and the GOP. Zorra Aug 2012 #86

Bill Clinton reduced Social Security benefits by signing tax legislation which made 85% of AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #88

Reagan began the taxation of benefits in 1983, following the advice of 'the Greenspan Commission' Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #140

Some say, many say, that the Great Prevaricator reduced taxes. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #313

Bill Clinton is not only "big dog" he's a Big "Blue Dog" whathehell Aug 2012 #302

Good for Rachel. She's always perceptive. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #314

Right...She's the best and I trust her completely. n/t whathehell Aug 2012 #324

The guy who wants to liquidate Social Security gets the republican nod for VP today bhikkhu Aug 2012 #90

That's what Manny does. Fabricates strawmen Dems, ignores real Republican threats and politicies. emulatorloo Aug 2012 #168

"that people who believe themselves to be Democrats ..." seanpencil Aug 2012 #93

Shh. You're not supposed to remember these things. woo me with science Aug 2012 #103

hahahahahahahahah seanpencil Aug 2012 #111

+1. not only that, but benefits have *already* been cut multiple times subrosa. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #115

great point seanpencil Aug 2012 #185

no, capitalism is a ponzi scheme. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #186

Social security is not an entitlement, it is an annuity that we have paid into. Calling it, still_one Aug 2012 #109

that's why it *is* an entitlement. we paid in & we're entitled to it. it's on the dems that they HiPointDem Aug 2012 #114

I can't add anything here Le Taz Hot Aug 2012 #116

" ... without slashing benefits for future generations" AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #117

Which in the context of the President's other statements eomer Aug 2012 #131

thanks for this Progressive dog Aug 2012 #136

Not conspiracy theories but rather the clear meaning of the President's own words. eomer Aug 2012 #144

Why do you continually push the meme of "conspiracy theory?" Oilwellian Aug 2012 #147

Grand Capitulation? MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #151

Thank YOU for the kindle Oilwellian Aug 2012 #161

Thank WOO for the kindle MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #174

so where are the Grand Cuts? Whisp Aug 2012 #208

What President Obama meant is plain, it doesn't require interpretation. eomer Aug 2012 #247

Excellent post, with actual facts MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #257

Met with crickets, indeed. nt woo me with science Aug 2012 #282

Facts are to the Third Way MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #285

and what exactly has he done to fulfill your dark fantasies? Whisp Aug 2012 #283

What he has done is exactly what I posted - promoted cutting Social Security benefits. eomer Aug 2012 #298

Excellent post, woo me with science Aug 2012 #284

This message was self-deleted by its author DirkGently Nov 2012 #328

Thank you. But expect to see people denying the President's own words. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #291

You are welcome. And as to why -- AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #198

Briefing room word games: What's a 'slash' versus a 'cut' in Social Security MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #138

Hey, I found ProSense Aug 2012 #145

Are you referring to our president and MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #146

. ProSense Aug 2012 #148

Parse away, Manny, but you #*&^@ better pick a side. AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #196

What am I parsing? MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #203

Words, Manny. You are parsing words. AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #211

I Highly disagree with your link's suggestions MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #221

You're making a prediction, Manny, and a cynical one at that. AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #224

Absolutely unreal. woo me with science Aug 2012 #235

you have no clue what you are talking about (see below) AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #237

The chocolate ration has been increased! nt woo me with science Aug 2012 #239

BOO! AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #241

You just linked to a right-wing, Third Way rag woo me with science Aug 2012 #234

LOL. Nonsense. Do some research before you yell boo! AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #236

Red is green. woo me with science Aug 2012 #238

Your WOO is weak, grasshopper. BOO! AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #240

The chained CPI hurts seniors. woo me with science Aug 2012 #242

You are not the arbiter of defining "real Democrats." AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #243

You don't support the Chained CPI, seriously, say it is not so. This IS DU after all. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #275

You speak as if there is a plan. There is not; that's the point. AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #276

Knuckleheads! Nice. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #277

No, what's insane is brazen support for cutting SS on a Democratic board. nt woo me with science Aug 2012 #318

And he has the President's own words. But they don't count, right? sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #292

Yeah, Manny pick a side - slash or cut? Doctor_J Aug 2012 #249

K&R 17% that still leaves tens of millions of people with no regular access, Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #129

They have a small constituency to please: Themselves. WinkyDink Aug 2012 #132

K&R Manny.Great OP. nt riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #157

I like it. ProSense Aug 2012 #158

It's all over the very front page of the Third Way website right now. The front page. Zorra Aug 2012 #201

Third Wayers are not Democrats tavalon Aug 2012 #159

1) You created a Strawman Democrat 2) You attempt to misdirect from Ryan 3) You blame Democrats for emulatorloo Aug 2012 #162

Rep. Conyers: Obama Demanded Social Security Cuts--Not GOP MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #169

, ProSense Aug 2012 #171

Good try "Manny", Keep trolling the Conyers quote despite the fact emulatorloo Aug 2012 #175

My ass seems to be where it started its life, MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #192

You've already been given the link. emulatorloo Aug 2012 #206

I don't see it in this thread. MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #250

I am not your research assistant. emulatorloo Aug 2012 #319

So to be clear: you're accusing me of being a Republican plant? MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #322

Oh please. woo me with science Aug 2012 #170

Yeah your bullshit coordinates very well with Manny's emulatorloo Aug 2012 #173

I wonder if woo would ever tell us about her job & benefits. It's easy to say burn it all down patrice Aug 2012 #178

Stop spitting, emulatorloo. woo me with science Aug 2012 #179

What's underlying this entire discussion is a desperate attempt to distract from the Ryan Plan emulatorloo Aug 2012 #182

Thank you! For-profit treatment modalities that get the worst results for the highest prices are patrice Aug 2012 #204

Really appreciate your post. emulatorloo Aug 2012 #210

I have seen some elders off. Have also been around a few cancer patients. & Taught high patrice Aug 2012 #216

Exactly Progressive dog Aug 2012 #191

thank you emulatorloo Aug 2012 #212

Conyers owes the president an apology. AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #205

I thought the Dems had majorities and the WH when these were passed Doctor_J Aug 2012 #317

It is incumbent upon all of us who care about Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid to call on Citizen Worker Aug 2012 #165

If anything we should lower the eligibility age for SS TBF Aug 2012 #187

They took the on ramp to the 3rd Way. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2012 #194

Talking point repetition. 3rd Way could be anything. Bigotry against it is EXCLUSIONARY, tell us patrice Aug 2012 #213

Do you prefer "moderates", "Centrists", "neo liberals"? Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2012 #217

Why do you charaterize protecting ground-gained as silencing? Why don't you entertain the hypothesis patrice Aug 2012 #230

BTW, I prefer Neo-Liberals or DLC for what you are referring to, because dialectics CAN be a good patrice Aug 2012 #233

Are you denying that the Democratic Party has moved right and now represents "moderates"? Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2012 #246

Nothing very anarchic in any of that. All QUITE predictable. A bunch of us are living in deep RED patrice Aug 2012 #254

And they could say the same to you laundry_queen Aug 2012 #296

Allow me to remind anyone who has forgotten the following: savannah43 Aug 2012 #197

K&R I agree 100% airplaneman Aug 2012 #229

Good question -- I've been asking it for years stupidicus Aug 2012 #248

those are our choices these days. Dems who want to cut SS & Medicare, or Doctor_J Aug 2012 #251

The biggest problem with Medicare is the projected increasing costs for chronic diseases like andym Aug 2012 #252

Well that is exactly what this campaign is going to be about.... humbled_opinion Aug 2012 #255

Sometimes dsteve01 Aug 2012 #258

K&R Jamastiene Aug 2012 #259

The DLC was completely successful in shifting the Democratic Party to the right. NorthCarolina Aug 2012 #265

With Medicare, you have to make a distinction between cutting costs and cutting health care. pnwmom Aug 2012 #267

Dismayed that Obama would even introduce Simpson-Bowels.... lib2DaBone Aug 2012 #268

Bravo and Amen! 2banon Aug 2012 #270

Amen Manny! n/t dflprincess Aug 2012 #273

Just A few notes................. Red Crow Aug 2012 #274

Howard Dean: "You Can't Convince People That A Dem Is Going To Cut Medicare" ProSense Aug 2012 #278

Must be talking about the Blue Dogs. . B Calm Aug 2012 #279

dam this is still be commented on.... madrchsod Aug 2012 #281

forget something? like who you are talking about. arely staircase Aug 2012 #309