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JDPriestly

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45. When you are young, you believe that you will do well.
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 01:37 PM
Aug 2012

Many fools even think that, if they just work hard, they can do as well as Romney and Ryan have done.

They don't stop to think about all the advantages and good luck a Romney has to have, that millions and millions of people around the world work really hard and do their best and end up hungry and poor. And that lots of those people are right here in America.

This truth does not sell. The rich don't like it because it makes them look like they have more than they deserve (which most of them do). Businesses don't like it and won't pay to have it told because that story does not sell their products. And the poor don't like it because it makes them feel hopeless and depressed.

But it is the doggone truth.

For every Romney, there are hundreds of thousands of people who would simply curl up and die for hunger and no place to live if we allowed our country to be dragged into the Ayn Randian model that Ryan and Romney want to foist on us.

Fact is, that Romney had huge advantages that the rest of us never had -- a well known, successful father who came into his power at a time of great economic expansion in our country, educational opportunities that very few are given, a name that got him in the doors in high places, and a community of Mormons who see him as the ticket to acceptance for a rather conglomeration of ideas and theories.

As for Ryan, he came from a middle class family -- father a lawyer, but his wife's family is wealthy. (Properties with oil and gas for one thing.) So he too had a huge lucky break that very, very few get, regardless of how intelligent or charming or willing to brown-nose to the top they are.

Those of us who are normal and suffering -- whether under 55 or over -- had better stick together. For those of you who are young, the 7 1/2% of your paycheck that you set aside in Social Security taxes (plus the other portion your employer pays) is safe and sound as long as we all pull together.

Ryan thinks that everyone is as selfish and corrupt as he is, and that we will divide into two camps -- under 55 and over 55. That's not going to happen.

And here is why.

We who are over 55 know that as soon as these Republican criminals would succeed in persuading those under 55 to give up their Social Security and Medicare, they would start a campaign to get rid of Social Security and Medicare for those of us over 65. They are just greedy you-know-whats and they are after our money.

For those of you who are under 55 and investing in growth stocks and thinking how well they are doing. Forget it. Once you retire, you don't risk that little bit of money in your 401(K) in growth stocks. You invest conservatively to protect the small nest egg you have. And for 99% of us, there is no way we could live off the interest and earnings. That's because interest rates in banks are at most maybe 3% and earnings on other things -- and on other safe investments, maybe 4%?? (Those low mortgage rates have a reverse side -- low returns to savers and investors who are loaning the money for those mortgages.) Sit down and figure how much money you will have to have saved to even earn $14,000 per year at an interest rate of maybe 2% average.

Unless you are either a fool or have a lot of money, you do not trade in stocks or try to pick stocks once you retire. And most of us do not have the savings to hire a reliable financial adviser. As for ETFs, if the market is down when you have an emergency, you are sunk. You have lost. So even saving and investing in the ETF markets will never replace Social Security and Medicare. Because Social Security and Medicare are there for you, whether the markets are bad or good, you at least get something.

A lot of people lost their homes because they trusted the nonsense that the Bush administration sold about how we could become an "ownership" society. An "owned" society is more like it.

Don't be fooled.

No matter how well you are doing now or how good you think your future will be, you don't want to put all your eggs in the Wall Street basket. You don't want to trust your final years to a bunch of greedy clowns on Wall Street, much less to Romney and Ryan.

K&R !!! Getting older comes on quickly, quicker than many think, one day 50's RKP5637 Aug 2012 #1
When I was 40 I woke up one morning and I was 60.. INdemo Aug 2012 #3
The despicable thing the GOP is not mentioniing in the "over 55" exemption catbyte Aug 2012 #40
The whole "if you're over 55 the changes won't affect you" argument is just another lie. lunasun Aug 2012 #102
Sitting with guys yesterday day....getting older was the topic. Historic NY Aug 2012 #51
I recall well thinking, lying in bed one night at about 14, if I were only 18 how great it RKP5637 Aug 2012 #54
Life is like a roll of toilet paper - CrispyQ Aug 2012 #95
Damn, that really sums it up well! It does seem to run so much faster toward the end!!! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2012 #105
Damn right. ANYONE below 55 is at risk of losing SS and Medicare in this "election" ProfessionalLeftist Aug 2012 #2
And the response to "but they're saving it"/"won't be there if they don't save it" Patiod Aug 2012 #4
Easy way to preserve them sandyd921 Aug 2012 #23
I think a lot of people aren't even aware that there is a cap. Blanks Aug 2012 #71
Raise the SS cap & tax investment like labor. CrispyQ Aug 2012 #96
Ironically, that's what the tea party should have stood for. Blanks Aug 2012 #110
Amen JustAnotherGen Aug 2012 #103
What they're saving is fat tax cuts for the multi-millionaires.. and subsidies for Big Oil. n/t progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #25
My 4 children are all below 55 and I worry about their future should MittRyan win/steal the election Auntie Bush Aug 2012 #5
Wall Street is going to get... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2012 #30
Wall Street has invested heavily in both parties. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #74
Unfortunately, no politician.. awoke_in_2003 Aug 2012 #86
Will I still have to pay taxes for them? Comrade_McKenzie Aug 2012 #6
Yes. Medicare and SS for 55+ would still have to be paid for. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2012 #10
What neither side is mentioning is RC Aug 2012 #107
Add to this thought turtlerescue1 Aug 2012 #7
When you are young, you believe that you will do well. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #45
And on top of this the market is rigged in favor of wealth. Any thinking they are going RKP5637 Aug 2012 #52
Consider starting a thread with this.... nt raccoon Aug 2012 #68
Truer words have never been written. burnsei sensei Aug 2012 #93
If the Ryan Budget Is Enacted, You Will Have To Leave The U.S. Yavin4 Aug 2012 #99
An excellent post worthy of it's own thread. CrispyQ Aug 2012 #100
You Will Need to Have $1.4 million Saved In Order to Earn $14K in interest Yavin4 Aug 2012 #101
Thanks for doing my math for me! CrispyQ Aug 2012 #106
Right. And try saving that after inflation on $50,000 per year and a family. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #108
Yep--I'm in my forties. Spend 20+ years paying in, get "coupons" back that won't TwilightGardener Aug 2012 #8
Those vouchers would be worthless anyway because no LibDemAlways Aug 2012 #12
There's Absolutely NO Profit to be Made from Insuring the Elderly Yavin4 Aug 2012 #104
All those over 55 and current recipients are at risk, too. Faygo Kid Aug 2012 #9
Billions to kill Iranians - Nothing for Seniors/Students/Schools/the Middle Class/the Poor.... LibDemAlways Aug 2012 #16
USA, a subsidiary of the MIC! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2012 #56
Yep. Just because you're over 55 doesn't mean you're safe....... socialist_n_TN Aug 2012 #41
I'll be 60 in a coupla weeks, and . . . tilsammans Aug 2012 #82
Lurking in the background is the catfood commission appointed by Obama to develop recommendations to Citizen Worker Aug 2012 #11
and this is helpful to defeat the republicans and the Ryan budget, how exactly? progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #22
I thought we were talking about defeating the attempt to end or cut benefits to those 55 or younger. Dragonfli Aug 2012 #50
I do not think it is as easy as that. Drahthaardogs Aug 2012 #13
You are absolutely right! liberalmuse Aug 2012 #14
"It won't affect me because I am over 55" Syndrome HockeyMom Aug 2012 #15
So agree! marew Aug 2012 #20
Where does the support come from to keep SS as is for the over 55. KILL THE WISE ONE Aug 2012 #66
It shouldn't change for ANYBODY HockeyMom Aug 2012 #72
Ask him why we 54- people would keep paying for it. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2012 #80
I've been paying into SS since the age of 16... Cooley Hurd Aug 2012 #17
I so identify with what you said Grammy23 Aug 2012 #64
Your story is so familiar to mine LittleGirl Aug 2012 #87
And there is a message to all people in the "safe zone" of over 55 too. Curmudgeoness Aug 2012 #18
Don't trust them. over 55 u need to know that they WILL make changes, and screw you too. progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #19
They wouldn't do that...would they? bkurth Aug 2012 #27
Yup, if Republicans have Congress and the Presidency, nothing stops them... gulliver Aug 2012 #28
If what they're advocating were any good, they wouldn't HAVE TO 'reassure' 55+ seniors. TahitiNut Aug 2012 #21
kick! hedgehog Aug 2012 #24
All people over 55 lark Aug 2012 #26
Indeed. That would be like expecting the school bully to stop demanding-- eridani Aug 2012 #78
They will try to sell the idea that it will be a "modified" version so the elderly + stoopid flamingdem Aug 2012 #29
I am 55. The oldest to get screwed, of course, and the ones kestrel91316 Aug 2012 #31
Everyone above and below age 55 Golden Raisin Aug 2012 #32
HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2012 #33
Goodness! Do you mean Senate Democrats would go along with that? kenny blankenship Aug 2012 #34
I'm only 17. ANewEra Aug 2012 #35
Welcome to DU, ANewEra classof56 Aug 2012 #47
hello ANewEra! turtlerescue1 Aug 2012 #58
Welcome aboard I'm sure OFA will appreciate the help Historic NY Aug 2012 #76
I have a question for you, ANewEra Skittles Aug 2012 #90
Welcome to DU! Quantess Aug 2012 #92
I'm 58 90-percent Aug 2012 #36
Give The BOOT to the GOP elbloggoZY27 Aug 2012 #37
They are masters of using envy to divide n2doc Aug 2012 #38
They think they have to destroy Social Security in order to "save" it... lastlib Aug 2012 #39
Dog and Cat people in the future IF the GOP wins this election!!!! benld74 Aug 2012 #42
well, i'm 56 shanti Aug 2012 #43
Not just 55 and under - Consider xxqqqzme Aug 2012 #44
Exactly!!! Some people just don't get it that SH** happens. Something happened like RKP5637 Aug 2012 #59
I like to tell all the conservatives to go frack themselves but bestiality is against the law. part man all 86 Aug 2012 #46
Teach your children well. WinstonSmith4740 Aug 2012 #48
Do I really need to Facebook? I don't think so. just1voice Aug 2012 #49
No one is "safe" -- not even one percenters nichomachus Aug 2012 #53
I'll be 64 in about a week too lunatica Aug 2012 #55
I really don't understand how anyone AsahinaKimi Aug 2012 #57
A lot of people in this country are woefully uneducated and if not that, a large RKP5637 Aug 2012 #60
meh. AsahinaKimi Aug 2012 #61
Yep, we're going to need all the help we can get IMO. n/t RKP5637 Aug 2012 #63
STOP WITH THE AGE 55 thing Skittles Aug 2012 #62
They will set a year, not an age. Anything prior to 1956 or 1955, perhaps. CrispyQ Aug 2012 #94
CORRECT Skittles Aug 2012 #109
I'm 54! AnnieK401 Aug 2012 #65
Damn... I was really hoping the body of the message would read "Get off my lawn!!" harmonicon Aug 2012 #67
Over 55 but know people whose lifeline, literally, is Medicaid. We can't let R-R kill them. freshwest Aug 2012 #69
How do you plan on convincing them customerserviceguy Aug 2012 #70
Ryan simply had no balls to say this policy will start immediately because, chelsea0011 Aug 2012 #73
The rightwingnuts will go to far magic59 Aug 2012 #75
You have to do more than just vote for Dems eridani Aug 2012 #77
Oh it will affect you 55+ people. jeff47 Aug 2012 #79
couldn't say PatrynXX Aug 2012 #81
I am 56 BUT I have grown kids. I want Medicare & Social Security to be there for them too. jillan Aug 2012 #83
What gloal1 said Timbuk3 Aug 2012 #84
We're going to lose those benefits anyway Yo_Mama Aug 2012 #85
A lot of young people have parents who are under 55 and we have to remind them kimbutgar Aug 2012 #88
So get on your Tweety's and FB's and Blogs and shout it out!! Love it! nt MADem Aug 2012 #89
We know that's why we're democrats. craigmatic Aug 2012 #91
This message was self-deleted by its author crimson77 Aug 2012 #97
People OVER 55 need to advocate for universal health care. Then we'd all be in it together. nt Romulox Aug 2012 #98
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