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Demsrule86

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82. The point is he saved the ACA by voting to keep it...it would have gone down otherwise.

Fri Sep 28, 2018, 08:44 AM

Sep 2018

I'll take 61% since Trump has done shit legislatively...relying on executive orders...Manchin only voted with Trump on important matters (only a few)when the votes were not there or when it was going to pass no matter what...he also voted against the tax cut by the way...I would never want to kick any senator out...just having the numbers in order to have a majority is reason enough to keep him...without a majority, we will never confirm a single judge or bring any legislation to the floor. That is reality. And if you look at red states;how many there are, the only way for a Democratic majority is with red state Democrats. And historically, the only majorities we have had included conservadems or moderate Democrats.

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If a) Manchin votes to confirm Kav AND b) Dems take Senate by 2 seats [View all] RockRaven Sep 2018 OP

absolutely. But let's see what comes out of the Manchin/Flake/Collins/Murkowski meeting. n/t CincyDem Sep 2018 #1

Nothing. That is what will come out of it. Nothing. hatrack Sep 2018 #19

Judge Drunky McRageweep FM123 Sep 2018 #52

I like that, but I think you chould change the 'g' to a 'p'.... lastlib Sep 2018 #63

Yes! FM123 Sep 2018 #68

Now that you guys mention it .. . . hatrack Sep 2018 #69

The automatic "woe is me" pessimism whathehell Sep 2018 #78

It's simply realistic leftynyc Sep 2018 #84

No, i don't think so. I think It's simply easier than appearing "naive" whathehell Sep 2018 #86

And I think expressing hope leftynyc Sep 2018 #88

and I think trashing all hope for Murkowski & Collins is equally so. whathehell Sep 2018 #93

They're going to do what they're told leftynyc Sep 2018 #98

That's very possible, but not inevitable.. whathehell Sep 2018 #101

I don't live in despair at all leftynyc Sep 2018 #103

And now we know Flake will vote for him . . . hatrack Sep 2018 #105

Some of us can handle disappointment whathehell Sep 2018 #109

It's not bitterness, it's realism . . . hatrack Sep 2018 #110

We'll just have to agree to disagree. whathehell Sep 2018 #113

Lol...Only Flake's vote is in. whathehell Sep 2018 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author whathehell Sep 2018 #118

No. OrlandoDem2 Sep 2018 #2

No Stinky The Clown Sep 2018 #3

No he votes with us most of the time...if the GOP votes for Kavanaugh, it doesn't matter. Demsrule86 Sep 2018 #4

No, actual he votes more with trump than Dems angrychair Sep 2018 #13

And? 61 % votes with us is way better than the high 90's for most GOP types. Demsrule86 Sep 2018 #25

Nope, Not What The Poster Said LandOfHopeAndDreams Sep 2018 #27

I put the wrong figures in and have corrected...many of those votes were passing with Demsrule86 Sep 2018 #31

No, you misunderstood the number angrychair Sep 2018 #61

The point is he saved the ACA by voting to keep it...it would have gone down otherwise. Demsrule86 Sep 2018 #82

Fall back to one of my favorite sayings angrychair Sep 2018 #95

Doug Jones angrychair Sep 2018 #65

No. Of course not. We're not damned trumpsters. Hortensis Sep 2018 #70

Yes. ProudLib72 Sep 2018 #5

Yeah, I'm with you on this one! BigmanPigman Sep 2018 #8

PB, we cannot try and play the long game anymore ProudLib72 Sep 2018 #43

I'm with you too............. MyOwnPeace Sep 2018 #14

Agreed his job is to LEAD. Volaris Sep 2018 #32

Yep! MyOwnPeace Sep 2018 #50

Agreed melman Sep 2018 #21

If he cannot stand with his party on the most important votes like these, he's not a Dem. onecaliberal Sep 2018 #24

Agreed blueinredohio Sep 2018 #40

+1000 catbyte Sep 2018 #79

Abso-fuckin-lutely!! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #59

No. skylucy Sep 2018 #6

Yes. yardwork Sep 2018 #7

No, He's Schumer's Ticket to Becoming the Majority Leader n/t Ccarmona Sep 2018 #9

People are so dense sometimes, and don't understand that NUMBERS matter. They determine who still_one Sep 2018 #15

No melman Sep 2018 #30

Sure all those 'principled' voters who turned up their noses at Gore and later Clinton Demsrule86 Sep 2018 #33

Really. This is esstially what Jill Stein, Susan Sarandon, and those other self-identified still_one Sep 2018 #38

If voting No won't help Codeine Sep 2018 #74

Numbers versus principle Bettie Sep 2018 #85

That is the same BS those self-identified progressives who refused to vote for the Democratic still_one Sep 2018 #90

And if Kavenaugh gets on the supreme court Bettie Sep 2018 #107

The answer to your question isn't taking punitive action against a Democrat AFTER he has been still_one Sep 2018 #112

People keep saying over and over that we CAN'T challenge Bettie Sep 2018 #115

I don't care what people say, that is the way change is done in our political system. I will still_one Sep 2018 #119

what if democrats don't take the senate ? JI7 Sep 2018 #10

Then the impeachment hearings in the Dem House will have to uncover such TREASON Volaris Sep 2018 #35

No. The only way he votes yes is if Democrats already know he's getting 51 votes. bearsfootball516 Sep 2018 #11

He Will Lose, And People Like Myself Won't Care LandOfHopeAndDreams Sep 2018 #28

Really? well when they manage to repeal all healthcare and make the age of social security 70 Demsrule86 Sep 2018 #37

And When The Supreme Court Overturns Healthcare & Abortion LandOfHopeAndDreams Sep 2018 #39

His vote won't change anything. Codeine Sep 2018 #77

It won't cost just him though, will it? Codeine Sep 2018 #76

It's a show vote if he is Yes on Kavanaugh madguy2000 Sep 2018 #12

This is essentially what Jill Stein, Susan Sarandon, and those other self-identifed Democrats who still_one Sep 2018 #16

Hope so wiley Sep 2018 #54

if we are looking for consistency still_one Sep 2018 #56

Oh, sure give him lots of committee assignments ThoughtCriminal Sep 2018 #17

No. obnoxiousdrunk Sep 2018 #18

No. He votes with us 80%+ of the time, a repug would be zero. nt Blue_true Sep 2018 #20

Not Quite Me. Sep 2018 #23

Funny How All His Defenders Won't Comment On This LandOfHopeAndDreams Sep 2018 #41

What percentage of the time do you think a Republican would vote with Trump? n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2018 #104

He voted with us on the big issues, the ACA, tax cuts. Blue_true Sep 2018 #44

There Is A Lot Of Wiggle Room On Votes Me. Sep 2018 #47

Beto and Manchin are two different politicians. Blue_true Sep 2018 #48

That Is My Point Me. Sep 2018 #49

If he does that, he needs to go. alarimer Sep 2018 #22

If he votes "yes" it's because he has permission from Schumer Loki Liesmith Sep 2018 #26

Then Schumer Is As Bad As He Is LandOfHopeAndDreams Sep 2018 #29

arithmetic Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2018 #34

Why Can't He Do The Right Thing LandOfHopeAndDreams Sep 2018 #42

If he's a yes vote it means Kavanaugh was already going to be confirmed. Loki Liesmith Sep 2018 #36

Why Is Doing The Right Thing So Tough? LandOfHopeAndDreams Sep 2018 #45

Shouldn't be... what LEADERS do. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #60

Exactly. A person has to know how the sausage was made. nt Blue_true Sep 2018 #46

Schumer won't "release him"? What is this, gd slavery? MadDAsHell Sep 2018 #55

It's how this works Loki Liesmith Sep 2018 #125

Yes. Anon-C Sep 2018 #51

this sort of vote is why we tolerate DonCoquixote Sep 2018 #53

Sorry to say this... but, you're right! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #62

His vote won't make a difference. Codeine Sep 2018 #75

symbolic? DonCoquixote Sep 2018 #122

I've never been a big fan of cutting off one's nose to spite their face. Doesn't seem bright to me. WillowTree Sep 2018 #57

Of course. WinstonSmith4740 Sep 2018 #58

Voting for a Republican lifetime appointment is bullshit. If he can't explain, as a Democrat, why he jalan48 Sep 2018 #64

A "real" Democrat would lose in his state. Codeine Sep 2018 #81

Sorry, this a lifetime appointment. I can't give him a pass on this one. How do we know he doesn't jalan48 Sep 2018 #97

Immaterial. Codeine Sep 2018 #108

Who then, represents the Democrats in WVA who oppose Kav? Are both sides the same for them? jalan48 Sep 2018 #114

Yes.no excuses for voting for an accused rapist. Tiggeroshii Sep 2018 #66

Gotta love the pre-emptive Dem bashing...nt SidDithers Sep 2018 #67

West Virginians will get what they deserve. alarimer Sep 2018 #71

Yes, I would support him being skipped over rogue emissary Sep 2018 #72

How is that hurting anything? Codeine Sep 2018 #80

Pride and vanity affect one's ability to calculate accurately... NurseJackie Sep 2018 #83

How fortunate we are melman Sep 2018 #92

And don't you forget it! NurseJackie Sep 2018 #94

lol.++ JHan Sep 2018 #116

It's refreshing that people recognize your greater wisdom when they see it. I appreciate that. George II Sep 2018 #124

Roe v. Wade was on the ballot in 2016 Gothmog Sep 2018 #99

Cause he is often been counted on to vote with them and used to attack other Democrats. rogue emissary Sep 2018 #87

Yes, that's the practicality of the votes. On top of that, I prefer 61% to 100%.... George II Sep 2018 #100

He would vote no if it made a difference. Codeine Sep 2018 #73

Yes.. disillusioned73 Sep 2018 #89

Been here 6 months and stirring shit against Democrats grantcart Sep 2018 #91

If it was me I would threaten any Democrat who considers voting to confirm with their careers. liberalnarb Sep 2018 #96

Why? That would be stupid. Codeine Sep 2018 #111

Not worth very much if you vote with the Rs on something this important. nt liberalnarb Sep 2018 #120

It. Makes. No. Difference. In. This. Case. Codeine Sep 2018 #121

All but confirmed? liberalnarb Sep 2018 #123

If we win control of the Senate in the midterms, we need every vote Gothmog Sep 2018 #102

Agreed. We need all the help we can get. empedocles Sep 2018 #127

I have mixed feelings TNLib Sep 2018 #106

Of course not. LisaM Sep 2018 #126

I think it appears clear that without an investigation the vote will fail at this point. Tiggeroshii Sep 2018 #128