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empedocles

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127. Agreed. We need all the help we can get.

Reply to Gothmog (Reply #102)

Fri Sep 28, 2018, 02:45 PM

Sep 2018

The pragmatists, FDR/LBJ despite harsh democrats in opposition to them, come to mind , - get things done.

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If a) Manchin votes to confirm Kav AND b) Dems take Senate by 2 seats [View all] RockRaven Sep 2018 OP

absolutely. But let's see what comes out of the Manchin/Flake/Collins/Murkowski meeting. n/t CincyDem Sep 2018 #1

Nothing. That is what will come out of it. Nothing. hatrack Sep 2018 #19

Judge Drunky McRageweep FM123 Sep 2018 #52

I like that, but I think you chould change the 'g' to a 'p'.... lastlib Sep 2018 #63

Yes! FM123 Sep 2018 #68

Now that you guys mention it .. . . hatrack Sep 2018 #69

The automatic "woe is me" pessimism whathehell Sep 2018 #78

It's simply realistic leftynyc Sep 2018 #84

No, i don't think so. I think It's simply easier than appearing "naive" whathehell Sep 2018 #86

And I think expressing hope leftynyc Sep 2018 #88

and I think trashing all hope for Murkowski & Collins is equally so. whathehell Sep 2018 #93

They're going to do what they're told leftynyc Sep 2018 #98

That's very possible, but not inevitable.. whathehell Sep 2018 #101

I don't live in despair at all leftynyc Sep 2018 #103

And now we know Flake will vote for him . . . hatrack Sep 2018 #105

Some of us can handle disappointment whathehell Sep 2018 #109

It's not bitterness, it's realism . . . hatrack Sep 2018 #110

We'll just have to agree to disagree. whathehell Sep 2018 #113

Lol...Only Flake's vote is in. whathehell Sep 2018 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author whathehell Sep 2018 #118

No. OrlandoDem2 Sep 2018 #2

No Stinky The Clown Sep 2018 #3

No he votes with us most of the time...if the GOP votes for Kavanaugh, it doesn't matter. Demsrule86 Sep 2018 #4

No, actual he votes more with trump than Dems angrychair Sep 2018 #13

And? 61 % votes with us is way better than the high 90's for most GOP types. Demsrule86 Sep 2018 #25

Nope, Not What The Poster Said LandOfHopeAndDreams Sep 2018 #27

I put the wrong figures in and have corrected...many of those votes were passing with Demsrule86 Sep 2018 #31

No, you misunderstood the number angrychair Sep 2018 #61

The point is he saved the ACA by voting to keep it...it would have gone down otherwise. Demsrule86 Sep 2018 #82

Fall back to one of my favorite sayings angrychair Sep 2018 #95

Doug Jones angrychair Sep 2018 #65

No. Of course not. We're not damned trumpsters. Hortensis Sep 2018 #70

Yes. ProudLib72 Sep 2018 #5

Yeah, I'm with you on this one! BigmanPigman Sep 2018 #8

PB, we cannot try and play the long game anymore ProudLib72 Sep 2018 #43

I'm with you too............. MyOwnPeace Sep 2018 #14

Agreed his job is to LEAD. Volaris Sep 2018 #32

Yep! MyOwnPeace Sep 2018 #50

Agreed melman Sep 2018 #21

If he cannot stand with his party on the most important votes like these, he's not a Dem. onecaliberal Sep 2018 #24

Agreed blueinredohio Sep 2018 #40

+1000 catbyte Sep 2018 #79

Abso-fuckin-lutely!! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #59

No. skylucy Sep 2018 #6

Yes. yardwork Sep 2018 #7

No, He's Schumer's Ticket to Becoming the Majority Leader n/t Ccarmona Sep 2018 #9

People are so dense sometimes, and don't understand that NUMBERS matter. They determine who still_one Sep 2018 #15

No melman Sep 2018 #30

Sure all those 'principled' voters who turned up their noses at Gore and later Clinton Demsrule86 Sep 2018 #33

Really. This is esstially what Jill Stein, Susan Sarandon, and those other self-identified still_one Sep 2018 #38

If voting No won't help Codeine Sep 2018 #74

Numbers versus principle Bettie Sep 2018 #85

That is the same BS those self-identified progressives who refused to vote for the Democratic still_one Sep 2018 #90

And if Kavenaugh gets on the supreme court Bettie Sep 2018 #107

The answer to your question isn't taking punitive action against a Democrat AFTER he has been still_one Sep 2018 #112

People keep saying over and over that we CAN'T challenge Bettie Sep 2018 #115

I don't care what people say, that is the way change is done in our political system. I will still_one Sep 2018 #119

what if democrats don't take the senate ? JI7 Sep 2018 #10

Then the impeachment hearings in the Dem House will have to uncover such TREASON Volaris Sep 2018 #35

No. The only way he votes yes is if Democrats already know he's getting 51 votes. bearsfootball516 Sep 2018 #11

He Will Lose, And People Like Myself Won't Care LandOfHopeAndDreams Sep 2018 #28

Really? well when they manage to repeal all healthcare and make the age of social security 70 Demsrule86 Sep 2018 #37

And When The Supreme Court Overturns Healthcare & Abortion LandOfHopeAndDreams Sep 2018 #39

His vote won't change anything. Codeine Sep 2018 #77

It won't cost just him though, will it? Codeine Sep 2018 #76

It's a show vote if he is Yes on Kavanaugh madguy2000 Sep 2018 #12

This is essentially what Jill Stein, Susan Sarandon, and those other self-identifed Democrats who still_one Sep 2018 #16

Hope so wiley Sep 2018 #54

if we are looking for consistency still_one Sep 2018 #56

Oh, sure give him lots of committee assignments ThoughtCriminal Sep 2018 #17

No. obnoxiousdrunk Sep 2018 #18

No. He votes with us 80%+ of the time, a repug would be zero. nt Blue_true Sep 2018 #20

Not Quite Me. Sep 2018 #23

Funny How All His Defenders Won't Comment On This LandOfHopeAndDreams Sep 2018 #41

What percentage of the time do you think a Republican would vote with Trump? n/t PoliticAverse Sep 2018 #104

He voted with us on the big issues, the ACA, tax cuts. Blue_true Sep 2018 #44

There Is A Lot Of Wiggle Room On Votes Me. Sep 2018 #47

Beto and Manchin are two different politicians. Blue_true Sep 2018 #48

That Is My Point Me. Sep 2018 #49

If he does that, he needs to go. alarimer Sep 2018 #22

If he votes "yes" it's because he has permission from Schumer Loki Liesmith Sep 2018 #26

Then Schumer Is As Bad As He Is LandOfHopeAndDreams Sep 2018 #29

arithmetic Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2018 #34

Why Can't He Do The Right Thing LandOfHopeAndDreams Sep 2018 #42

If he's a yes vote it means Kavanaugh was already going to be confirmed. Loki Liesmith Sep 2018 #36

Why Is Doing The Right Thing So Tough? LandOfHopeAndDreams Sep 2018 #45

Shouldn't be... what LEADERS do. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #60

Exactly. A person has to know how the sausage was made. nt Blue_true Sep 2018 #46

Schumer won't "release him"? What is this, gd slavery? MadDAsHell Sep 2018 #55

It's how this works Loki Liesmith Sep 2018 #125

Yes. Anon-C Sep 2018 #51

this sort of vote is why we tolerate DonCoquixote Sep 2018 #53

Sorry to say this... but, you're right! InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #62

His vote won't make a difference. Codeine Sep 2018 #75

symbolic? DonCoquixote Sep 2018 #122

I've never been a big fan of cutting off one's nose to spite their face. Doesn't seem bright to me. WillowTree Sep 2018 #57

Of course. WinstonSmith4740 Sep 2018 #58

Voting for a Republican lifetime appointment is bullshit. If he can't explain, as a Democrat, why he jalan48 Sep 2018 #64

A "real" Democrat would lose in his state. Codeine Sep 2018 #81

Sorry, this a lifetime appointment. I can't give him a pass on this one. How do we know he doesn't jalan48 Sep 2018 #97

Immaterial. Codeine Sep 2018 #108

Who then, represents the Democrats in WVA who oppose Kav? Are both sides the same for them? jalan48 Sep 2018 #114

Yes.no excuses for voting for an accused rapist. Tiggeroshii Sep 2018 #66

Gotta love the pre-emptive Dem bashing...nt SidDithers Sep 2018 #67

West Virginians will get what they deserve. alarimer Sep 2018 #71

Yes, I would support him being skipped over rogue emissary Sep 2018 #72

How is that hurting anything? Codeine Sep 2018 #80

Pride and vanity affect one's ability to calculate accurately... NurseJackie Sep 2018 #83

How fortunate we are melman Sep 2018 #92

And don't you forget it! NurseJackie Sep 2018 #94

lol.++ JHan Sep 2018 #116

It's refreshing that people recognize your greater wisdom when they see it. I appreciate that. George II Sep 2018 #124

Roe v. Wade was on the ballot in 2016 Gothmog Sep 2018 #99

Cause he is often been counted on to vote with them and used to attack other Democrats. rogue emissary Sep 2018 #87

Yes, that's the practicality of the votes. On top of that, I prefer 61% to 100%.... George II Sep 2018 #100

He would vote no if it made a difference. Codeine Sep 2018 #73

Yes.. disillusioned73 Sep 2018 #89

Been here 6 months and stirring shit against Democrats grantcart Sep 2018 #91

If it was me I would threaten any Democrat who considers voting to confirm with their careers. liberalnarb Sep 2018 #96

Why? That would be stupid. Codeine Sep 2018 #111

Not worth very much if you vote with the Rs on something this important. nt liberalnarb Sep 2018 #120

It. Makes. No. Difference. In. This. Case. Codeine Sep 2018 #121

All but confirmed? liberalnarb Sep 2018 #123

If we win control of the Senate in the midterms, we need every vote Gothmog Sep 2018 #102

Agreed. We need all the help we can get. empedocles Sep 2018 #127

I have mixed feelings TNLib Sep 2018 #106

Of course not. LisaM Sep 2018 #126

I think it appears clear that without an investigation the vote will fail at this point. Tiggeroshii Sep 2018 #128