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In reply to the discussion: WTF is wrong with Democrats that want to cut Social Security and/or Medicare? [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)278. Howard Dean: "You Can't Convince People That A Dem Is Going To Cut Medicare"
Howard Dean: "You Can't Convince People That A Dem Is Going To Cut Medicare"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021120987
Oh, and this:
"We have already cut Medicare.We cut 600 plus billions out of Medicare Advantage.Medicare Advantage is a program used by middle and lower middle income seniors."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021120987
Oh, and this:
"We have already cut Medicare.We cut 600 plus billions out of Medicare Advantage.Medicare Advantage is a program used by middle and lower middle income seniors."
A Serious Drug Problem
By PAUL KRUGMAN
There was a brief flurry of outrage when Congress passed the 2003 Medicare bill. The news media reported on the scandalous vote in the House of Representatives: Republican leaders violated parliamentary procedure, twisted arms and perhaps engaged in bribery to persuade skeptical lawmakers to change their votes in a session literally held in the dead of night.
Later, the media reported on another scandal: it turned out that the administration had deceived Congress about the bill's likely cost.
But the real scandal is what's in the legislation. It's an object lesson in how special interests hold America's health care system hostage.
The new Medicare law subsidizes private health plans, which have repeatedly failed to deliver promised cost savings. It creates an unnecessary layer of middlemen by requiring that the drug benefit be administered by private insurers. The biggest giveaway is to Big Pharma: the law specifically prohibits Medicare from using its purchasing power to negotiate lower drug prices.
Outside the United States, almost every government bargains over drug prices. And it works: the Congressional Budget Office says that foreign drug prices are 35 to 55 percent below U.S. levels. Even within the United States, Veterans Affairs is able to negotiate discounts of 50 percent or more, far larger than those the Medicare actuary expects the elderly to receive under the new plan.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/06/opinion/06krugman.html
By PAUL KRUGMAN
There was a brief flurry of outrage when Congress passed the 2003 Medicare bill. The news media reported on the scandalous vote in the House of Representatives: Republican leaders violated parliamentary procedure, twisted arms and perhaps engaged in bribery to persuade skeptical lawmakers to change their votes in a session literally held in the dead of night.
Later, the media reported on another scandal: it turned out that the administration had deceived Congress about the bill's likely cost.
But the real scandal is what's in the legislation. It's an object lesson in how special interests hold America's health care system hostage.
The new Medicare law subsidizes private health plans, which have repeatedly failed to deliver promised cost savings. It creates an unnecessary layer of middlemen by requiring that the drug benefit be administered by private insurers. The biggest giveaway is to Big Pharma: the law specifically prohibits Medicare from using its purchasing power to negotiate lower drug prices.
Outside the United States, almost every government bargains over drug prices. And it works: the Congressional Budget Office says that foreign drug prices are 35 to 55 percent below U.S. levels. Even within the United States, Veterans Affairs is able to negotiate discounts of 50 percent or more, far larger than those the Medicare actuary expects the elderly to receive under the new plan.
- more -
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/06/opinion/06krugman.html
Impact of the doughnut hole on Medicare beneficiaries
The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services estimates that more than a quarter of Part D participants stop following their prescribed regimen of drugs when they hit the doughnut hole.[2]
Every Part D plan sponsor must offer at least one basic Part D plan. They may also offer enhanced plans that provide additional benefits. For 2008, the percentage of stand-alone Part D (PDP) plans offering some form of coverage within the doughnut hole rose to 29 percent, up from 15% in 2006. The percentage of Medicare Advantage/Part D plans (MA-PD) plans offering some form of coverage in the coverage gap is 51%, up from 28% in 2006. The most common forms of gap coverage cover generic drugs only.[3]
Among Medicare Part D enrollees in 2007 who were not eligible for the low-income subsidies, 26% had spending high enough to reach the coverage gap. Fifteen percent of those reaching the coverage gap (4% overall) had spending high enough to reach the catastrophic coverage level. Enrollees reaching the coverage gap stayed in the gap for just over four months on average.[4]
According to a study done in 2007, premiums for plans offering gap coverage are roughly double those of defined standard plans. The average monthly premium for stand-alone Part D plans (PDPs) with basic benefits that do not offer gap coverage are $30.14. The average monthly premium for plans that do offer some gap coverage are average $63.29. In 2007, eight percent of beneficiaries enrolled in a PDP chose one with some gap coverage. Among beneficiaries in MA-PD plans, enrollment in plans offering gap coverage was 33% (up from 27% in 2006).[3]
The 2010 Health Reform bill (Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act) began to address the coverage gap by creating discounts on brand name and generic drugs purchased within the gap range. Between now and 2020, the gap will gradually be closed to a point where it is completely eliminated.[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_Part_D_coverage_gap#Impact_of_the_doughnut_hole_on_Medicare_beneficiaries
The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services estimates that more than a quarter of Part D participants stop following their prescribed regimen of drugs when they hit the doughnut hole.[2]
Every Part D plan sponsor must offer at least one basic Part D plan. They may also offer enhanced plans that provide additional benefits. For 2008, the percentage of stand-alone Part D (PDP) plans offering some form of coverage within the doughnut hole rose to 29 percent, up from 15% in 2006. The percentage of Medicare Advantage/Part D plans (MA-PD) plans offering some form of coverage in the coverage gap is 51%, up from 28% in 2006. The most common forms of gap coverage cover generic drugs only.[3]
Among Medicare Part D enrollees in 2007 who were not eligible for the low-income subsidies, 26% had spending high enough to reach the coverage gap. Fifteen percent of those reaching the coverage gap (4% overall) had spending high enough to reach the catastrophic coverage level. Enrollees reaching the coverage gap stayed in the gap for just over four months on average.[4]
According to a study done in 2007, premiums for plans offering gap coverage are roughly double those of defined standard plans. The average monthly premium for stand-alone Part D plans (PDPs) with basic benefits that do not offer gap coverage are $30.14. The average monthly premium for plans that do offer some gap coverage are average $63.29. In 2007, eight percent of beneficiaries enrolled in a PDP chose one with some gap coverage. Among beneficiaries in MA-PD plans, enrollment in plans offering gap coverage was 33% (up from 27% in 2006).[3]
The 2010 Health Reform bill (Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act) began to address the coverage gap by creating discounts on brand name and generic drugs purchased within the gap range. Between now and 2020, the gap will gradually be closed to a point where it is completely eliminated.[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_Part_D_coverage_gap#Impact_of_the_doughnut_hole_on_Medicare_beneficiaries
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WTF is wrong with Democrats that want to cut Social Security and/or Medicare? [View all]
MannyGoldstein
Aug 2012
OP
Fourthed. I wonder how many of them were Reagan Democrats, or former Moderate Republicans?
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#245
Please see #88, below. In 1993, Bill Clinton reduced Social Security benefits by increasing the
AnotherMcIntosh
Aug 2012
#91
Yes. Thanks to Clinton, Social Security is means-tested in that those who receive.
JDPriestly
Aug 2012
#104
I'll point a finger at him: He's a Third Way Democrat and, if I'm not mistaken,
whathehell
Aug 2012
#303
Umm, they're Democrats, all right. They, like our country, have rushed to the right.
SusanaMontana41
Aug 2012
#214
The best way to get rid of fraud from Medicare is to get rid of the 'fraudsters' altogether.
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#262
If that was all that *both* parties are considering there would not be a problem
newthinking
Aug 2012
#199
There is no Medicare Fraud. Patients are not committing Fraud, Medicare is not committing
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#264
I think the original post is not amount Dems supporting the Ryan budget, but about supporting a
limpyhobbler
Aug 2012
#21
They have been pushing that meme ever since, and are still today, it is the PLAN
Dragonfli
Aug 2012
#48
July 2012 3 Way says "entitlements" such as SS are squeezing investments and need "reform"
jtuck004
Aug 2012
#108
It is not bullshit, else you could refute it, lame man love is what it is....
Dragonfli
Aug 2012
#42
That is the simple math of it, yes. But we are supposed to applaud this Republican ideology because
Dragonfli
Aug 2012
#33
So Obama called Romney and got him to pick Ryan, so that when Obama wins, Obama can carry
JoePhilly
Aug 2012
#6
I notice you provided no link to who these 3rd way people were who were thrilled Romney
JoePhilly
Aug 2012
#17
You are desperately trying to distract from Ryan and project his budget on to Democrats
emulatorloo
Aug 2012
#209
Review your OP. Create Strawman Democrat. Project Ryan Plan onto Strawman Democrat
emulatorloo
Aug 2012
#244
You prefer ignorance perhaps, but a quick perusal of the third way site will prove Manny correct
Dragonfli
Aug 2012
#27
In his defense, I think many use that term without really thinking what it means.
sweetloukillbot
Aug 2012
#84
"Whatever"...Yeah, that about sums up the amount of consideration anyone but men, gay or straight
whathehell
Aug 2012
#305
No, that is inaccurate. Cutting costs without cutting funding is a way to get more benefit from
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2012
#134
Just the opposite, if we followed other countries direction and expanded Medicare to all
suffragette
Aug 2012
#193
Yes, the solution is contained within the examples of the systems and results
suffragette
Aug 2012
#327
Watch what you say, Manny. Before long you'll be accused of demanding Democrats march in lock-step!
Zalatix
Aug 2012
#11
Ask Manny to name the Dems who used the Ryan selection to call for cuts on SS today.
JoePhilly
Aug 2012
#25
Thanks to Romney's Hail Mary pick for his ticket, again we're seeing the Third Way types out in forc
spanone
Aug 2012
#37
What reporters? We used to have reporters. Now we have narcissistic stenographers who want their
AnotherMcIntosh
Aug 2012
#94
Narcissistic stenographers who want their participation to be more important than objective facts.
laundry_queen
Aug 2012
#295
Good post... If one needs to be reminded that social security is not the problem that is destroying
midnight
Aug 2012
#50
It's so early in the election season for 'divide and conquer" but I'm sure seeing it a lot lately..
progressivebydesign
Aug 2012
#52
If you are a Canadian who is ineligible to vote in American elections, why do you care and why
AnotherMcIntosh
Aug 2012
#96
It is not funny Sid. You are here advocating cuts in a nation that is not your own.
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2012
#137
I have an internatinonal life, and friends in many, many countries. We all discuss politics
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2012
#142
Canada must have Medicare or something better. That's why they are always rolling on the floor
Autumn
Aug 2012
#149
Reform attempts have gone on longer than 4 years. You might not be aware of that.
Autumn
Aug 2012
#183
My kind of thinking is more prevalent here in the USA than what you would think.
Autumn
Aug 2012
#195
what would be your answer to Obama successfully passing a full universal care program you want?
Whisp
Aug 2012
#200
Why do I think the US is so far behind on this basic human right? Simple, our politicians
Autumn
Aug 2012
#215
there are a lot of people that are realizing that yes, health care has been reformed
Whisp
Aug 2012
#228
They don't hate it. They got what they wanted when got the mandate. This plan saved the
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#288
44,000 Americans die each year in the US for lack of HC, including those who have 'Coverage'
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#287
No, your friend Sid is highly amused by the frustration of those who would like to stop
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#290
"Cool your jets," followed by "I can understand your pain and frustration,"
woo me with science
Aug 2012
#310
Thank you wmws. I didn't really expect it to have any impact at all on certain people, but for those
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#315
Many have bought into the idea that there will be no Social Security/Medicare when they get old
jwirr
Aug 2012
#72
Please tell us what to do about the fact that Medicare has evolved as THE adjunct to for-profit care
patrice
Aug 2012
#76
Patrice...you are on the right track..the Ontario health Care plan for seniors.is a good basic plan
nenagh
Aug 2012
#87
This is a hard thing to talk about here, because there are those who put their political
patrice
Aug 2012
#177
Enemies with benefits. We became the enemy, displaced them from Wall St,and that drives them crazy.
leveymg
Aug 2012
#141
Bill Clinton reduced Social Security benefits by signing tax legislation which made 85% of
AnotherMcIntosh
Aug 2012
#88
Reagan began the taxation of benefits in 1983, following the advice of 'the Greenspan Commission'
Bluenorthwest
Aug 2012
#140
The guy who wants to liquidate Social Security gets the republican nod for VP today
bhikkhu
Aug 2012
#90
That's what Manny does. Fabricates strawmen Dems, ignores real Republican threats and politicies.
emulatorloo
Aug 2012
#168
+1. not only that, but benefits have *already* been cut multiple times subrosa.
HiPointDem
Aug 2012
#115
Social security is not an entitlement, it is an annuity that we have paid into. Calling it,
still_one
Aug 2012
#109
that's why it *is* an entitlement. we paid in & we're entitled to it. it's on the dems that they
HiPointDem
Aug 2012
#114
Not conspiracy theories but rather the clear meaning of the President's own words.
eomer
Aug 2012
#144
What he has done is exactly what I posted - promoted cutting Social Security benefits.
eomer
Aug 2012
#298
Briefing room word games: What's a 'slash' versus a 'cut' in Social Security
MannyGoldstein
Aug 2012
#138
You don't support the Chained CPI, seriously, say it is not so. This IS DU after all.
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#275
No, what's insane is brazen support for cutting SS on a Democratic board. nt
woo me with science
Aug 2012
#318
K&R 17% that still leaves tens of millions of people with no regular access,
Egalitarian Thug
Aug 2012
#129
It's all over the very front page of the Third Way website right now. The front page.
Zorra
Aug 2012
#201
1) You created a Strawman Democrat 2) You attempt to misdirect from Ryan 3) You blame Democrats for
emulatorloo
Aug 2012
#162
I wonder if woo would ever tell us about her job & benefits. It's easy to say burn it all down
patrice
Aug 2012
#178
What's underlying this entire discussion is a desperate attempt to distract from the Ryan Plan
emulatorloo
Aug 2012
#182
Thank you! For-profit treatment modalities that get the worst results for the highest prices are
patrice
Aug 2012
#204
I have seen some elders off. Have also been around a few cancer patients. & Taught high
patrice
Aug 2012
#216
It is incumbent upon all of us who care about Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid to call on
Citizen Worker
Aug 2012
#165
Talking point repetition. 3rd Way could be anything. Bigotry against it is EXCLUSIONARY, tell us
patrice
Aug 2012
#213
Why do you charaterize protecting ground-gained as silencing? Why don't you entertain the hypothesis
patrice
Aug 2012
#230
BTW, I prefer Neo-Liberals or DLC for what you are referring to, because dialectics CAN be a good
patrice
Aug 2012
#233
Are you denying that the Democratic Party has moved right and now represents "moderates"?
Tierra_y_Libertad
Aug 2012
#246
Nothing very anarchic in any of that. All QUITE predictable. A bunch of us are living in deep RED
patrice
Aug 2012
#254
The biggest problem with Medicare is the projected increasing costs for chronic diseases like
andym
Aug 2012
#252
The DLC was completely successful in shifting the Democratic Party to the right.
NorthCarolina
Aug 2012
#265