WTF is wrong with Democrats that want to cut Social Security and/or Medicare?

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288. They don't hate it. They got what they wanted when got the mandate. This plan saved the

useless Health Care Industry which was losing money due to the economy as more and more people lost their jobs. THAT IS THE ONLY REASON the even allowed this to go forward, to save the Insurance Industry.

But, they had to throw some crumbs to the Democrats who voted for them, and the Right Wing morons wanted NO crumbs, such as removing the unbelievable 'pre-condition' policy, how it ever was allowed in the first place is a mystery to me. HC that you are free to buy, until you get sick.

And keeping young adults on their parents policies until 26. A few crumbs were too much for Republicans. So they howl and pretend they don't like it, but they got most of what they wanted.

What could Obama have done differently? He could have started out the bargaining phase asking for everything we wanted, then BARGAINED DOWN from that. Instead he dropped the PO right from the beginning, kept Progressives out of the debate, made secret deals with the Pharma Corps, turned his back on Democrats, like Dorgan and Kucinich who had amendments to add, but didn't even get a hearing. There were no Republicans who didn't get a hearing though.

People are not angry here for no reason. And having been let down once, people are very wary now and nowhere near as enthusiastic as they were in 2008. He will get the support of Democrats and most likely win, but no one expects much this time. Once bitten twice shy.