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SidDithers

(44,228 posts) Wed Oct 3, 2018, 06:34 PM Oct 2018

So, about that Amazon wage hike that Bernie is responsible for... [View all]

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Apparently the wage hike comes with a cut to benefits and bonuses that, in reality, are worth more than the pay increase. In other words, the raise to $15 is actually a pay cut. Some quick research verifies this:

https://www.wisn.com/article/amazon-employees-in-kenosha-unhappy-about-minimum-wage-raise/23574647

Link to tweet

The Hoarse Whisperer
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@HoarseWisperer
Following Following @HoarseWisperer
More The Hoarse Whisperer Retweeted one pissed off Polack
The minor problem with the vacuous grandstanding favored by a certain senator from Vermont:

When you try to shame a company by misrepresenting the total compensation it pays employees, sometimes they give you what you ask for... just to show what a simpleton you are.The Hoarse Whisperer added,

@1pissedPolack
Just to keep everyone updated on Amazon moving the minimum wage to $15/hr, they’re taking away our monthly bonus and stock we get on our anniversaries. It’s all just for show.

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So, about that Amazon wage hike that Bernie is responsible for... [View all] SidDithers Oct 2018 OP

Actually a pay CUT? Wow. That's very interesting. NurseJackie Oct 2018 #1

Looks like a left pocket / right pocket sort of thing... SidDithers Oct 2018 #5

Rejoice. Looks like that might not be true. The article includes a clarification from Amazon Power 2 the People Oct 2018 #9

even if it is a wash, it still isnt a big raise. mopinko Oct 2018 #15

bummer jcsg Oct 2018 #16

I sure as heck wouldn't be going around bragging about negotiating compensation cuts for workers. George II Oct 2018 #123

Neither would I. Best to vet things like this in advance. NurseJackie Oct 2018 #126

K&R Tarheel_Dem Oct 2018 #2

amazon is a PNW company and we are all going for 15$ an hr..they will be shamed by us... samnsara Oct 2018 #3

I tried to make that point the other day Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2018 #63

Well, now a white man who doesn't work there has said it ehrnst Oct 2018 #98

So they cut other benefits and raised wages, damn uponit7771 Oct 2018 #4

I'll find the link but the data showed that Amazon's average warehouse worker made CentralMass Oct 2018 #17

Not so fast. See post #6. Looks like their stock awards went poof as well. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2018 #21

Yes. Thst is in those numbers. CentralMass Oct 2018 #25

So can you find the link to your 9% number? joshcryer Oct 2018 #30

Here you go ( as was at work earlier) CentralMass Oct 2018 #52

Your sources contradict each other. On the one hand you say an worker earns.... George II Oct 2018 #62

The 2018 numbers in the new link are worse then the 2013 numbers in the first link CentralMass Oct 2018 #121

According to this article pay varied by location Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2018 #64

Yeah, hike pay in some areas, remove bonuses in others. joshcryer Oct 2018 #68

I'm seeing long timers say they will lose $500/mo... joshcryer Oct 2018 #67

"IF"? Tarheel_Dem Oct 2018 #31

They're losing their bonuses AND their annual stock award. For many they're losing more.... George II Oct 2018 #46

I would hate to have been a long timer who was slated for another stock. joshcryer Oct 2018 #69

Well, probably the old-timers won't be at minimum wage-- dawg day Oct 2018 #77

Who knows, those benefits might be cut for all employees, not just those going up to $15 / hour. George II Oct 2018 #104

... SidDithers Oct 2018 #6

Wow! Such a deal. R B Garr Oct 2018 #8

I mentioned this last night here: George II Oct 2018 #36

we always favored wage increases over bonuses and other incentives like stock options bigtree Oct 2018 #145

Hillary called it a bold impressive step KayF Oct 2018 #7

Way to go Hillary! Power 2 the People Oct 2018 #10

That should be an OP. There just aren't enough positive posts about our greatest Autumn Oct 2018 #14

Autumn: "That should be an OP. " sheshe2 Oct 2018 #87

+++ brer cat Oct 2018 #93

And you forgot that she was a US senator. Demit Oct 2018 #153

You mean Secretary Clinton. Your not so subtle dig is noted. ehrnst Oct 2018 #96

She was always my favorite First Lady. I was a big supporter in 08. Autumn Oct 2018 #111

I guess that "red x" wasn't working. ehrnst Oct 2018 #114

Must I use all her titles just to make you happy? Autumn Oct 2018 #115

"I'm lazy and I don't want to type that much so I don't think I will." betsuni Oct 2018 #117

..... ehrnst Oct 2018 #119

Here's a post with a lot of typing Betsuni. You're welcome and enjoy the Autumn Oct 2018 #122

Oh dear! LOL! :-D NurseJackie Oct 2018 #127

F-i-r-s-t - L-a-d-y: 9 characters + 1 space (two caps) lapucelle Oct 2018 #134

Thought so.... ehrnst Oct 2018 #120

I met Bill Clinton twice on his campaign when he was Governor. Should I refer to him as "Governor"? George II Oct 2018 #125

You can call him whatever you want, I won't insist that you add a title. Autumn Oct 2018 #128

Actually Secretary of State is a role, not a rank Revanchist Oct 2018 #173

... betsuni Oct 2018 #97

Has Hillary Clinton not done anything since January 20, 2001? George II Oct 2018 #124

Yes she has, truth is Hillary, IMO, is the only politician that has laid out Autumn Oct 2018 #130

Well, that's umm, different. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2018 #32

What's "umm, different" about it? You're laughing about something Hillary Clinton said that.... George II Oct 2018 #38

+1, plus I don't see Hillary running around acting like a savior. R B Garr Oct 2018 #44

That triggered one is awful kcr Oct 2018 #47

Exactly, it's totally trollish. nt R B Garr Oct 2018 #54

Especially right now. betsuni Oct 2018 #57

So weird how two groups have that in common, huh? n/t kcr Oct 2018 #59

Indeed! betsuni Oct 2018 #60

I remember. sheshe2 Oct 2018 #75

(and lowered benefits).... George II Oct 2018 #78

;) sheshe2 Oct 2018 #82

George II... Hekate Oct 2018 #89

I'm shocked DU has not removed the two gifs . stonecutter357 Oct 2018 #159

Sanders: Bezos is "doing exactly the right thing," he's giving credit where it's due. Is he wrong? betsuni Oct 2018 #53

"Today, I want to give credit where credit is due." betsuni Oct 2018 #110

And by making it all about Sanders, it distracts from the bait and switch Amazon engaged in. JHan Oct 2018 #133

And kudos to Bernie?? Cue the crickets... chirp, chirp!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #102

What are you talking about? betsuni Oct 2018 #107

Wow! Guess he left that part out. Glad to see the truth being told. Bfd Oct 2018 #11

Reply #17 nt Doremus Oct 2018 #19

I pointed out this shell game yesterday. They would gain more by playing a game of... George II Oct 2018 #39

I read earlier today, it was a strategic move since the competition for part time /seasonal & Bfd Oct 2018 #55

So most will lose more than the gain? sheshe2 Oct 2018 #12

SO's school district does this every year mcar Oct 2018 #13

That's interesting. I hope media houses pick up on this and examine it more closely. JHan Oct 2018 #18

Reply #17 nt Doremus Oct 2018 #20

Reply #6 nt Tarheel_Dem Oct 2018 #22

this is why it's better to focus on legislation . JI7 Oct 2018 #23

Amazon needs a fucking union ismnotwasm Oct 2018 #24

Amazon's Aggressive Anti-Union Tactics Revealed in Leaked 45-Minute Video Sqee Oct 2018 #26

Yes. Unionize Bfd Oct 2018 #27

Right on Agree Mel Oct 2018 #28

+1000 mountain grammy Oct 2018 #136

I Wondered What The Chink In The Armor Would Be Me. Oct 2018 #29

Well CNBC is on the case. They always have the little guy's best interest in mind. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2018 #33

Whether Or Not CNBC Is On It Me. Oct 2018 #40

Everyone got a raise and you mad? Get over it already. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2018 #41

I Guess You Didn't Read The Following.... Me. Oct 2018 #43

Raise then benefits cut is a zero raise. sheshe2 Oct 2018 #79

Looking at overall compensation, everyone did NOT get a raise, many had their compensation.... George II Oct 2018 #101

You "triggered" like your sig line? betsuni Oct 2018 #109

I've pointed this out countless times between yesterday and today. Yes, those with hourly pay.... George II Oct 2018 #34

KICK for The Hoarse Whisperer! Cha Oct 2018 #35

Yes. Thank you! NurseJackie Oct 2018 #45

.. Cha Oct 2018 #51

Remember how melman Oct 2018 #37

Lol. I know, right? They'll settle on an attack plan sooner or later. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2018 #42

lol... disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #99

Remember when Amazon was a shitty company that didn't care about their workers? kcr Oct 2018 #50

happened so quickly lol blink of an eye. JHan Oct 2018 #70

They still are a shitty company melman Oct 2018 #71

Were you not one of those who claimed it was "all him"? George II Oct 2018 #72

Certainly not melman Oct 2018 #73

Oh? George II Oct 2018 #74

... betsuni Oct 2018 #76

Oh! sheshe2 Oct 2018 #81

Busted! I remember the deceptive wording of R B Garr Oct 2018 #84

Indeed.... George II Oct 2018 #86

Boom! NurseJackie Oct 2018 #105

And...that development is Bernie's fault because.....? LiberalLovinLug Oct 2018 #48

It will not... disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #100

Stop buying from Amazon Perseus Oct 2018 #49

Or.....stop SELLING on Amazon (i.e., books, coffee cups, t-shirts, bumper stickers, etc.) George II Oct 2018 #80

Yeah, 'cuz Walmart treats their employees like kings and queens. ZZenith Oct 2018 #88

I refuse to buy from Walmart too... or to serve on their Board of Directors. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #103

Walmart is worse than amazon JI7 Oct 2018 #90

MUCH worse... why no one with a progressive bone in their body should associate with Walmart InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #106

Sanders would have workers believe that they can improve their conditions, TexasTowelie Oct 2018 #56

Absolutely. It is beyond foolish to think that this is how change happens. kcr Oct 2018 #58

+1 betsuni Oct 2018 #61

+1,000,000 George II Oct 2018 #65

Well said! R B Garr Oct 2018 #85

According to what would he have you believe that? Where did you pull that from? And that JCanete Oct 2018 #91

Thank you for admitting it, JCanete. TexasTowelie Oct 2018 #92

That's not at all what I said, and if you want to reach people you have to use the outlets available JCanete Oct 2018 #135

I find it amusing that what I said in the post that started this subthread came true again today. TexasTowelie Oct 2018 #142

no, you are very wrong about who a higher minimum wage hurts. You put more money into the hands JCanete Oct 2018 #143

I admit that I have to rely on anecdotal evidence, observations, and personal experience TexasTowelie Oct 2018 #146

My theoretical model? JCanete Oct 2018 #151

Ah yes here is the theoretical model, TexasTowelie Oct 2018 #152

I don't get it...if they aren't in the labor market the current system isn't doing them any good JCanete Oct 2018 #162

I'm not buying what you're selling. TexasTowelie Oct 2018 #164

Show me a study that proves the history that you are presenting. Again, you can only charge what JCanete Oct 2018 #165

I see that you are unable to address how an increased minimum wage helps those TexasTowelie Oct 2018 #169

first, I accept your anecdotal evidence but it still doesn't add up to me. It doesn't make sense. JCanete Oct 2018 #170

Then let us refer back to post #162. TexasTowelie Oct 2018 #171

Amazon is a large corporation, not a "platform". As I pointed out elsewhere, they are not... George II Oct 2018 #108

You heard it here first folks melman Oct 2018 #113

You forgot this: George II Oct 2018 #116

That's still a dumb argument. Amazon has set all of these bookstores in decline, including JCanete Oct 2018 #137

I buy lots of books, Amazon has made selling books competitive... Historic NY Oct 2018 #156

what it has done is depressed the value of a writer's work by a lot. It has opened up opportuinities JCanete Oct 2018 #160

It's not like the internet only connects to Amazon. He could pick a little R B Garr Oct 2018 #118

And he'd be making barely a peep in the wilderness with that strategy...I get it...that's why you JCanete Oct 2018 #138

He should be explaining the benefits of large corporations then R B Garr Oct 2018 #139

again, getting out a message is not the same as self-agrandizement or profiteering. JCanete Oct 2018 #140

No "evidence" is needed to compare someone's words R B Garr Oct 2018 #141

what is his message? That you shouldn't be able to make a profit, or that you shouldn't be able to JCanete Oct 2018 #144

The message is so obvious that it appears your post is just to offer more excuses R B Garr Oct 2018 #147

really? I'm asking a direct question that you are dancing around because you don't have an answer. JCanete Oct 2018 #150

I guess you think you are being clever by trying to obfuscate, R B Garr Oct 2018 #158

Yeah, I see. Explaining yourself here would actually clarify your argument enough that it could be JCanete Oct 2018 #161

It was clear what I said in my first post on the subject, but apparently R B Garr Oct 2018 #167

so you have to drag in what some of his followers encourage of others rather than anything he has JCanete Oct 2018 #168

LOL, more obfuscating and excuses. Now I'm "shoehorning". R B Garr Oct 2018 #172

If you contradict yourself "getting out the message" then it's just propaganda. R B Garr Oct 2018 #148

I'll ask again, albeit futilely. What is the contradiction? Your chief concern seems to be JCanete Oct 2018 #149

There is nothing to "defend" about observing someone's R B Garr Oct 2018 #157

OMG melman Oct 2018 #112

OMG melman, it's just too much TexasTowelie Oct 2018 #132

Knew there was a catch. joshcryer Oct 2018 #66

I've read the op and some of the comments.... Upthevibe Oct 2018 #83

K&R Jamaal510 Oct 2018 #94

K&R betsuni Oct 2018 #95

They could cut Jeff Bezos' salary by a few billion to pay for it. Initech Oct 2018 #129

There's always a catch. MineralMan Oct 2018 #131

Amazon stock price...1889.65 close yesterday.... Historic NY Oct 2018 #154

So the approved Dem response is don't raise the wages??? dembotoz Oct 2018 #155

Which package is worth more... lame54 Oct 2018 #163

There's always a juggle. moriah Oct 2018 #166