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JDPriestly

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29. A lot of our jobs are going to India.
Mon Aug 13, 2012, 09:31 AM
Aug 2012

Does Romney think we should have an educational system like India's?

Challenged by posts on DU suggesting that Americans can't compete because, after all, we are not as well educated or trained to do the jobs that the Indians brought in on H-1B visas do.

So, here are articles on education in India.

However, India continues to face stern challenges. Despite growing investment in education, 25% of its population is still illiterate; only 15% of Indian students reach high school, and just 7%, of the 15% who make it to high school, graduate.[5] The quality of education whether at primary or higher education is significantly poor as compared with major developing nations. As of 2008, India's post-secondary institutions offer only enough seats for 7% of India's college-age population, 25% of teaching positions nationwide are vacant, and 57% of college professors lack either a master's or PhD degree.[6]

As of 2011, there are 1522 degree-granting engineering colleges in India with an annual student intake of 582,000,[7] plus 1,244 polytechnics with an annual intake of 265,000. However, these institutions face shortage of faculty and concerns have been raised over the quality of education.[8]

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World Bank statistics found that fewer than 40 percent of adolescents in India attend secondary schools.[3] The Economist reports that half of 10-year-old rural children could not read at a basic level, over 60% were unable to do division, and half dropped out by the age 14.[17]

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Our university system is, in many parts, in a state of disrepair...In almost half the districts in the country, higher education enrollments are abysmally low, almost two-third of our universities and 90 per cent of our colleges are rated as below average on quality parameters... I am concerned that in many states university appointments, including that of vice-chancellors, have been politicised and have become subject to caste and communal considerations, there are complaints of favouritism and corruption.

— Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in 2007[23]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_India

Strongly recommending an immediate halt to the system of sitting for a pile of exams, C N R Rao, who heads the Scientific Advisory Council to the Prime Minister (SACPM), said in a letter sent last week that the American method of holding one national exam before joining university is the way.

Putting it bluntly, Rao told the PM that India is said to "have an examination system but not an education system... When will young people stop taking exams and do something worthwhile?"

Talking about the agony that the Indian higher education sector is in, the SACPM, in a brief document sent to the PM recently — accessed by TOI — noted, "Today there is not a single educational institution in India which is equal to the best institution in the advanced countries".

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-04-14/india/29417206_1_entrance-exams-exam-system-national-exam

I wonder whether India would grant special visas to American teachers who can't find jobs?

From this article, it sounds like India certainly needs the help.

Teachers: Children have the right to have at least 1 qualified and trained teacher for every 30 pupils. Currently, the national average is about 1 teacher to every 34 students, but in states such as Jharkhand, Madhya Pradesh and West Bengal 1 teacher works with more than 60 students.

Approximately 1.2 million additional teachers need to be recruited to fill this gap. Currently, about 1 in 5 primary school teachers do not have the requisite minimum academic qualification to ensure children’s right to quality learning.

Sanitation: 84 out of 100 schools have drinking water facilities overall in India. But nearly half the schools in Arunachal Pradesh, Assam and Meghalaya do not. Sixty-five out of 100 schools have common toilets in India; however only one out of four schools in Arunachal Pradesh, Assam, Chandigarh, Delhi, Jammu & Kashmir, Jharkhand, Orissa and Rajasthan have this facility.

Fifty-four out of 100 schools have separate toilets for girls. On average, only one in nine schools in Assam, Meghalaya, Manipur have separate toilets and one in four schools in Bihar, Chhattisgarh, Jammu & Kashmir, Jharkhand and Orissa.

http://www.unicef.org/india/education_196.htm

India has a larger population than we do, but the quality of their education and therefore the education of their people is probably not as good as ours. The H-1B visas are not really justified by the argument that workers from India are better educated than American workers. Some of them may be, but employers are taking their chances when they hire H-1B workers. Judging from the criticisms of Indian education that Indians themselves offer, employers hiring on H-1B visas and outsourcing jobs to India are buying a pig in a poke.

Nothing wrong with Indian workers in their own country, but it is absurd to think that American kids educated in our schools can't compete. Absurd.

Americans are unemployed because it's cheaper to hire people from third-world countries -- even if it is riskier in many respects including the quality of education overall.

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I don't Paul Krugman ever renounced "Free Trade". His most popular book is in support of it. Romulox Aug 2012 #1
Same thing with Robert Reich. I kind of snicker closeupready Aug 2012 #2
Reich published an essay defending outsourcing last month (quote could've been cribbed from CATO) Romulox Aug 2012 #25
A lot of our jobs are going to India. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #29
Which book is that? Orangepeel Aug 2012 #3
"Pop Internationalism" (1997) Romulox Aug 2012 #23
I'm not sure what could be a bigger repudiation of offshoring than what Krugman said here: Zalatix Aug 2012 #4
How about his ENTIRE BODY OF HIS ACADEMIC work? It weighs a lot more than one sentence on a blog. Romulox Aug 2012 #24
Yes, he used to defend offshoring. It appears he has changed course on this. Zalatix Aug 2012 #34
Aren't you ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2012 #7
Eh, not really Hydra Aug 2012 #16
I disagree ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2012 #18
Trade has always involved taxes, tarriffs and regulations Hydra Aug 2012 #19
I agree with most of what you're saying ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2012 #21
FYI: We don't have "free trade" with Germany. We have it with impoverished nations like Mexico. nt Romulox Aug 2012 #27
Please explain ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2012 #30
I'm not going to explain to you the difference between the "North American Free Trade Agreement" Romulox Aug 2012 #32
So your "Free Trade" argument ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2012 #38
LOL: "The cheap labor, tax and regulation exemptions are a unrelated corruption of free trade." Romulox Aug 2012 #26
And yet you did? 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2012 #31
You've repeatedly failed to engage with long, well-thought responses. You get what you give. nt Romulox Aug 2012 #33
I'm not going to respond to this ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2012 #39
I rest my case. nt Romulox Aug 2012 #43
Of course you have ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2012 #44
Free trade is like Laissez-faire Capitalism. Zalatix Aug 2012 #35
I agree ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2012 #41
Yeah, he still believes NAFTA was the right thing to do. joshcryer Aug 2012 #37
Great Piece ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2012 #5
Be sure to pass it on to everyone you know! Zalatix Aug 2012 #9
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k&r n/t RainDog Aug 2012 #15
Great article. It is domestic outsourcing (to nonunion contractors) that Krugman is blasting. pampango Aug 2012 #17
The comment I bolded clearly also applies to foreign outsourcing. Zalatix Aug 2012 #20
A critique of moving jobs to the non-union south is not a defense of child-labor overseas. Romulox Aug 2012 #28
I work for a cleaning contractor for a bank Marzupialis Aug 2012 #22
This is exactly the phrasing "A corporation is not a person" should be used MNBrewer Aug 2012 #36
K & R. HughBeaumont Aug 2012 #40
The audience didn't just jeer, they said the money went into Romney's pockets! reformist2 Aug 2012 #42
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