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TexasTowelie

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142. I find it amusing that what I said in the post that started this subthread came true again today.

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 02:08 AM

Oct 2018

Bernie begged another CEO to be magnanimous to his employees. It will be interesting to see how/if the CEO of McDonald's responds to the letter that Bernie sent today.

The employees at McDonald's don't receive the same type of benefits and I suspect that they are farther away from earning $15 per hour than those at Amazon so it will be nearly impossible to shuffle finances around at McDonald's to get to a $15 an hour wage compared to the changes that Amazon will be making.

The main problem that I see with sharp increases in the minimum wage is that it hurts the vulnerable that have limited or no income more than any other groups. Since I'm in that boat, it means that instead of going out a couple times a month for a meal, then I'll have to cut elsewhere as prices inevitably rise. I have a college degree, a great deal of computer knowledge and over 25 years experience, but I'm in the situation where I'm applying for jobs that are paying $13-$15 an hour which is what Bernie wants to see an entry level employee paid. Bernie's proposals have the potential of causing me great harm without providing any relief which is why I can't get behind him.

Bernie is making every effort to take care of himself in preparation for a 2020 run. I don't believe that there is anything disingenuous about that statement. In a similar vein I'm making every effort to take care of myself in the present so don't comment about my opinions and say that I'm being disingenuous when you aren't walking in my shoes.

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So, about that Amazon wage hike that Bernie is responsible for... [View all] SidDithers Oct 2018 OP

Actually a pay CUT? Wow. That's very interesting. NurseJackie Oct 2018 #1

Looks like a left pocket / right pocket sort of thing... SidDithers Oct 2018 #5

Rejoice. Looks like that might not be true. The article includes a clarification from Amazon Power 2 the People Oct 2018 #9

even if it is a wash, it still isnt a big raise. mopinko Oct 2018 #15

bummer jcsg Oct 2018 #16

I sure as heck wouldn't be going around bragging about negotiating compensation cuts for workers. George II Oct 2018 #123

Neither would I. Best to vet things like this in advance. NurseJackie Oct 2018 #126

K&R Tarheel_Dem Oct 2018 #2

amazon is a PNW company and we are all going for 15$ an hr..they will be shamed by us... samnsara Oct 2018 #3

I tried to make that point the other day Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2018 #63

Well, now a white man who doesn't work there has said it ehrnst Oct 2018 #98

So they cut other benefits and raised wages, damn uponit7771 Oct 2018 #4

I'll find the link but the data showed that Amazon's average warehouse worker made CentralMass Oct 2018 #17

Not so fast. See post #6. Looks like their stock awards went poof as well. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2018 #21

Yes. Thst is in those numbers. CentralMass Oct 2018 #25

So can you find the link to your 9% number? joshcryer Oct 2018 #30

Here you go ( as was at work earlier) CentralMass Oct 2018 #52

Your sources contradict each other. On the one hand you say an worker earns.... George II Oct 2018 #62

The 2018 numbers in the new link are worse then the 2013 numbers in the first link CentralMass Oct 2018 #121

According to this article pay varied by location Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2018 #64

Yeah, hike pay in some areas, remove bonuses in others. joshcryer Oct 2018 #68

I'm seeing long timers say they will lose $500/mo... joshcryer Oct 2018 #67

"IF"? Tarheel_Dem Oct 2018 #31

They're losing their bonuses AND their annual stock award. For many they're losing more.... George II Oct 2018 #46

I would hate to have been a long timer who was slated for another stock. joshcryer Oct 2018 #69

Well, probably the old-timers won't be at minimum wage-- dawg day Oct 2018 #77

Who knows, those benefits might be cut for all employees, not just those going up to $15 / hour. George II Oct 2018 #104

... SidDithers Oct 2018 #6

Wow! Such a deal. R B Garr Oct 2018 #8

I mentioned this last night here: George II Oct 2018 #36

we always favored wage increases over bonuses and other incentives like stock options bigtree Oct 2018 #145

Hillary called it a bold impressive step KayF Oct 2018 #7

Way to go Hillary! Power 2 the People Oct 2018 #10

That should be an OP. There just aren't enough positive posts about our greatest Autumn Oct 2018 #14

Autumn: "That should be an OP. " sheshe2 Oct 2018 #87

+++ brer cat Oct 2018 #93

And you forgot that she was a US senator. Demit Oct 2018 #153

You mean Secretary Clinton. Your not so subtle dig is noted. ehrnst Oct 2018 #96

She was always my favorite First Lady. I was a big supporter in 08. Autumn Oct 2018 #111

I guess that "red x" wasn't working. ehrnst Oct 2018 #114

Must I use all her titles just to make you happy? Autumn Oct 2018 #115

"I'm lazy and I don't want to type that much so I don't think I will." betsuni Oct 2018 #117

..... ehrnst Oct 2018 #119

Here's a post with a lot of typing Betsuni. You're welcome and enjoy the Autumn Oct 2018 #122

Oh dear! LOL! :-D NurseJackie Oct 2018 #127

F-i-r-s-t - L-a-d-y: 9 characters + 1 space (two caps) lapucelle Oct 2018 #134

Thought so.... ehrnst Oct 2018 #120

I met Bill Clinton twice on his campaign when he was Governor. Should I refer to him as "Governor"? George II Oct 2018 #125

You can call him whatever you want, I won't insist that you add a title. Autumn Oct 2018 #128

Actually Secretary of State is a role, not a rank Revanchist Oct 2018 #173

... betsuni Oct 2018 #97

Has Hillary Clinton not done anything since January 20, 2001? George II Oct 2018 #124

Yes she has, truth is Hillary, IMO, is the only politician that has laid out Autumn Oct 2018 #130

Well, that's umm, different. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2018 #32

What's "umm, different" about it? You're laughing about something Hillary Clinton said that.... George II Oct 2018 #38

+1, plus I don't see Hillary running around acting like a savior. R B Garr Oct 2018 #44

That triggered one is awful kcr Oct 2018 #47

Exactly, it's totally trollish. nt R B Garr Oct 2018 #54

Especially right now. betsuni Oct 2018 #57

So weird how two groups have that in common, huh? n/t kcr Oct 2018 #59

Indeed! betsuni Oct 2018 #60

I remember. sheshe2 Oct 2018 #75

(and lowered benefits).... George II Oct 2018 #78

;) sheshe2 Oct 2018 #82

George II... Hekate Oct 2018 #89

I'm shocked DU has not removed the two gifs . stonecutter357 Oct 2018 #159

Sanders: Bezos is "doing exactly the right thing," he's giving credit where it's due. Is he wrong? betsuni Oct 2018 #53

"Today, I want to give credit where credit is due." betsuni Oct 2018 #110

And by making it all about Sanders, it distracts from the bait and switch Amazon engaged in. JHan Oct 2018 #133

And kudos to Bernie?? Cue the crickets... chirp, chirp!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #102

What are you talking about? betsuni Oct 2018 #107

Wow! Guess he left that part out. Glad to see the truth being told. Bfd Oct 2018 #11

Reply #17 nt Doremus Oct 2018 #19

I pointed out this shell game yesterday. They would gain more by playing a game of... George II Oct 2018 #39

I read earlier today, it was a strategic move since the competition for part time /seasonal & Bfd Oct 2018 #55

So most will lose more than the gain? sheshe2 Oct 2018 #12

SO's school district does this every year mcar Oct 2018 #13

That's interesting. I hope media houses pick up on this and examine it more closely. JHan Oct 2018 #18

Reply #17 nt Doremus Oct 2018 #20

Reply #6 nt Tarheel_Dem Oct 2018 #22

this is why it's better to focus on legislation . JI7 Oct 2018 #23

Amazon needs a fucking union ismnotwasm Oct 2018 #24

Amazon's Aggressive Anti-Union Tactics Revealed in Leaked 45-Minute Video Sqee Oct 2018 #26

Yes. Unionize Bfd Oct 2018 #27

Right on Agree Mel Oct 2018 #28

+1000 mountain grammy Oct 2018 #136

I Wondered What The Chink In The Armor Would Be Me. Oct 2018 #29

Well CNBC is on the case. They always have the little guy's best interest in mind. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2018 #33

Whether Or Not CNBC Is On It Me. Oct 2018 #40

Everyone got a raise and you mad? Get over it already. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2018 #41

I Guess You Didn't Read The Following.... Me. Oct 2018 #43

Raise then benefits cut is a zero raise. sheshe2 Oct 2018 #79

Looking at overall compensation, everyone did NOT get a raise, many had their compensation.... George II Oct 2018 #101

You "triggered" like your sig line? betsuni Oct 2018 #109

I've pointed this out countless times between yesterday and today. Yes, those with hourly pay.... George II Oct 2018 #34

KICK for The Hoarse Whisperer! Cha Oct 2018 #35

Yes. Thank you! NurseJackie Oct 2018 #45

.. Cha Oct 2018 #51

Remember how melman Oct 2018 #37

Lol. I know, right? They'll settle on an attack plan sooner or later. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2018 #42

lol... disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #99

Remember when Amazon was a shitty company that didn't care about their workers? kcr Oct 2018 #50

happened so quickly lol blink of an eye. JHan Oct 2018 #70

They still are a shitty company melman Oct 2018 #71

Were you not one of those who claimed it was "all him"? George II Oct 2018 #72

Certainly not melman Oct 2018 #73

Oh? George II Oct 2018 #74

... betsuni Oct 2018 #76

Oh! sheshe2 Oct 2018 #81

Busted! I remember the deceptive wording of R B Garr Oct 2018 #84

Indeed.... George II Oct 2018 #86

Boom! NurseJackie Oct 2018 #105

And...that development is Bernie's fault because.....? LiberalLovinLug Oct 2018 #48

It will not... disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #100

Stop buying from Amazon Perseus Oct 2018 #49

Or.....stop SELLING on Amazon (i.e., books, coffee cups, t-shirts, bumper stickers, etc.) George II Oct 2018 #80

Yeah, 'cuz Walmart treats their employees like kings and queens. ZZenith Oct 2018 #88

I refuse to buy from Walmart too... or to serve on their Board of Directors. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #103

Walmart is worse than amazon JI7 Oct 2018 #90

MUCH worse... why no one with a progressive bone in their body should associate with Walmart InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #106

Sanders would have workers believe that they can improve their conditions, TexasTowelie Oct 2018 #56

Absolutely. It is beyond foolish to think that this is how change happens. kcr Oct 2018 #58

+1 betsuni Oct 2018 #61

+1,000,000 George II Oct 2018 #65

Well said! R B Garr Oct 2018 #85

According to what would he have you believe that? Where did you pull that from? And that JCanete Oct 2018 #91

Thank you for admitting it, JCanete. TexasTowelie Oct 2018 #92

That's not at all what I said, and if you want to reach people you have to use the outlets available JCanete Oct 2018 #135

I find it amusing that what I said in the post that started this subthread came true again today. TexasTowelie Oct 2018 #142

no, you are very wrong about who a higher minimum wage hurts. You put more money into the hands JCanete Oct 2018 #143

I admit that I have to rely on anecdotal evidence, observations, and personal experience TexasTowelie Oct 2018 #146

My theoretical model? JCanete Oct 2018 #151

Ah yes here is the theoretical model, TexasTowelie Oct 2018 #152

I don't get it...if they aren't in the labor market the current system isn't doing them any good JCanete Oct 2018 #162

I'm not buying what you're selling. TexasTowelie Oct 2018 #164

Show me a study that proves the history that you are presenting. Again, you can only charge what JCanete Oct 2018 #165

I see that you are unable to address how an increased minimum wage helps those TexasTowelie Oct 2018 #169

first, I accept your anecdotal evidence but it still doesn't add up to me. It doesn't make sense. JCanete Oct 2018 #170

Then let us refer back to post #162. TexasTowelie Oct 2018 #171

Amazon is a large corporation, not a "platform". As I pointed out elsewhere, they are not... George II Oct 2018 #108

You heard it here first folks melman Oct 2018 #113

You forgot this: George II Oct 2018 #116

That's still a dumb argument. Amazon has set all of these bookstores in decline, including JCanete Oct 2018 #137

I buy lots of books, Amazon has made selling books competitive... Historic NY Oct 2018 #156

what it has done is depressed the value of a writer's work by a lot. It has opened up opportuinities JCanete Oct 2018 #160

It's not like the internet only connects to Amazon. He could pick a little R B Garr Oct 2018 #118

And he'd be making barely a peep in the wilderness with that strategy...I get it...that's why you JCanete Oct 2018 #138

He should be explaining the benefits of large corporations then R B Garr Oct 2018 #139

again, getting out a message is not the same as self-agrandizement or profiteering. JCanete Oct 2018 #140

No "evidence" is needed to compare someone's words R B Garr Oct 2018 #141

what is his message? That you shouldn't be able to make a profit, or that you shouldn't be able to JCanete Oct 2018 #144

The message is so obvious that it appears your post is just to offer more excuses R B Garr Oct 2018 #147

really? I'm asking a direct question that you are dancing around because you don't have an answer. JCanete Oct 2018 #150

I guess you think you are being clever by trying to obfuscate, R B Garr Oct 2018 #158

Yeah, I see. Explaining yourself here would actually clarify your argument enough that it could be JCanete Oct 2018 #161

It was clear what I said in my first post on the subject, but apparently R B Garr Oct 2018 #167

so you have to drag in what some of his followers encourage of others rather than anything he has JCanete Oct 2018 #168

LOL, more obfuscating and excuses. Now I'm "shoehorning". R B Garr Oct 2018 #172

If you contradict yourself "getting out the message" then it's just propaganda. R B Garr Oct 2018 #148

I'll ask again, albeit futilely. What is the contradiction? Your chief concern seems to be JCanete Oct 2018 #149

There is nothing to "defend" about observing someone's R B Garr Oct 2018 #157

OMG melman Oct 2018 #112

OMG melman, it's just too much TexasTowelie Oct 2018 #132

Knew there was a catch. joshcryer Oct 2018 #66

I've read the op and some of the comments.... Upthevibe Oct 2018 #83

K&R Jamaal510 Oct 2018 #94

K&R betsuni Oct 2018 #95

They could cut Jeff Bezos' salary by a few billion to pay for it. Initech Oct 2018 #129

There's always a catch. MineralMan Oct 2018 #131

Amazon stock price...1889.65 close yesterday.... Historic NY Oct 2018 #154

So the approved Dem response is don't raise the wages??? dembotoz Oct 2018 #155

Which package is worth more... lame54 Oct 2018 #163

There's always a juggle. moriah Oct 2018 #166