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MountCleaners

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25. Ach! NO.

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 01:08 PM

Oct 2018

This was never a good idea, and it shows the problem with a lot of celebrity white women. They make statements that are really culturally biased. Just NO. She wasn't thinking of her audience and her "anger" is no excuse.

I'm an admirer of Yoko Ono but never liked this quote. It's kind of culturally biased to berate people for not knowing that it came from a John Lennon song. What's important to you is not necessarily important to everyone else. It's not a particularly well-known album anyway.

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Bette Midler has been apologizing all day for this tweet [View all] Demovictory9 Oct 2018 OP

She's an ally. Her heart is in the right place despite this misstep. brush Oct 2018 #1

Do you know who... tonedevil Oct 2018 #4

+++++++++++ HAB911 Oct 2018 #20

So it's an old Ono quote. So what? And who doesn't know who Ono is? brush Oct 2018 #22

It's the title of one of her songs... tonedevil Oct 2018 #24

Yep, the use of the n-word is problematic here in 2018. brush Oct 2018 #26

Do you think it wasn't in 1972? tonedevil Oct 2018 #30

I keep saying the sentiment is correct. There is a way to get that across without... brush Oct 2018 #31

That sentiment is... tonedevil Oct 2018 #34

"Own it"? Explain pls. brush Oct 2018 #39

If you are going to use a word... tonedevil Oct 2018 #47

So just offend a huge part of the Dem party base? What bullshit. brush Oct 2018 #49

Do you think it causes less offense... tonedevil Oct 2018 #50

Why else would I say it? Listen to African Americans when they tell you what offends them... brush Oct 2018 #55

I must admit to confusion... tonedevil Oct 2018 #57

Well just stay away from it then and don't tell people to own/use it. brush Oct 2018 #60

As I indicated... tonedevil Oct 2018 #65

This message was self-deleted by its author d_r Oct 2018 #54

Here's my problem - violetpastille Oct 2018 #56

The sentiment is also messed up EffieBlack Oct 2018 #35

Thanks for that input, Effie. I was viewing it only from a male perspective... brush Oct 2018 #41

White women like Yoko Ono? melman Oct 2018 #45

I have come to feel... tonedevil Oct 2018 #46

We make her paint her face and dance. BlueTsunami2018 Oct 2018 #2

Indeed ... BigOleDummy Oct 2018 #8

I Remember That Quote itcfish Oct 2018 #28

I read the first line and said, BigmanPigman Oct 2018 #3

+1000 smirkymonkey Oct 2018 #5

I have that album too. I knew immediately the point Bette was trying to make. nt SunSeeker Oct 2018 #7

+++++++++++ HAB911 Oct 2018 #21

+1000 byronius Oct 2018 #51

I knew exactly where the quote came from... 2naSalit Oct 2018 #6

I, too, knew the quote... BUT Dorian Gray Oct 2018 #9

"The sentiment compares the suffering of two suppressed groups and marginalizes one for the other." Behind the Aegis Oct 2018 #11

I hear you Dorian Gray Oct 2018 #12

The "so and so" is generally "Palestinians" in those comparisons oberliner Oct 2018 #14

I don't think it marginalizes the suffering of black people mythology Oct 2018 #19

It does indeed marginalize black people - especially black women EffieBlack Oct 2018 #36

Is OK, Bette. leftyladyfrommo Oct 2018 #10

You sum it up MFM008 Oct 2018 #13

We? Fullduplexxx Oct 2018 #15

She's not wrong, though. alarimer Oct 2018 #16

She is wrong - imagine saying "Jews are the c*nts of the world" EffieBlack Oct 2018 #37

This Woman Wouldn't RobinA Oct 2018 #59

Never doubted Bette for a nano second. riversedge Oct 2018 #17

me either bdamomma Oct 2018 #69

I bet most of the angry people have no idea who John Lennon or Yoko Ono are. Oneironaut Oct 2018 #18

I love Bette and revered John and Yoko and I found it offensive EffieBlack Oct 2018 #66

I had to really study to figure out what people were objecting... LAS14 Oct 2018 #23

A white person referring to the "white race" is the same as saying women are the n*iggers of the EffieBlack Oct 2018 #38

Ach! NO. MountCleaners Oct 2018 #25

Oh yes. violetpastille Oct 2018 #58

I see no reason to apologize. N/T WeekiWater Oct 2018 #27

Really? Black women were continually raped and sexually assaulted by White slave owners... HipChick Oct 2018 #29

That is correct. WeekiWater Oct 2018 #32

If women are the "n*ggers of the world," what does that make black women who've been "n*ggers" EffieBlack Oct 2018 #40

Less than. WeekiWater Oct 2018 #43

He will also be taking rights away from black people, rights that white women EffieBlack Oct 2018 #67

Do You Purposely RobinA Oct 2018 #61

There is a book violetpastille Oct 2018 #70

She needed to. EffieBlack Oct 2018 #33

It was a terrible line when faux-femininst John Lennon said it Adenoid_Hynkel Oct 2018 #42

The apology is appropriate and refreshing eleny Oct 2018 #44

Next the knives will come out for Patti Smith maxsolomon Oct 2018 #48

I wouldn't blame people if they DID take offense MountCleaners Oct 2018 #53

Well, obviously people DO take offense. That's my point. The words offend. maxsolomon Oct 2018 #63

So she is apologizing for Yoko Ono? tymorial Oct 2018 #52

No, She's Apologizing RobinA Oct 2018 #62

Or maybe she's sensitive and empathetic and willing to listen and learn and then EffieBlack Oct 2018 #68

I had to deal with a butt hurt male yesterday TexasBushwhacker Oct 2018 #64