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woundedkarma

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58. The point is

Reply to Fred Sanders (Reply #29)

Fri Oct 5, 2018, 02:17 PM

Oct 2018

If he won't vote with democrats on the most important senate vote in our lives, he might as well be a republican.

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Joe manchin [View all] DonCoquixote Oct 2018 OP

Everything you just said is true. secondwind Oct 2018 #1

Except almost all of it about Manchin. Fred Sanders Oct 2018 #29

The point is woundedkarma Oct 2018 #58

...who else is going to win a Senate seat in WV? Fred Sanders Oct 2018 #61

let us say no one DonCoquixote Oct 2018 #68

And I'd rather divert funds to a surer bet on... Trueblue Texan Oct 2018 #92

A very important reason for having a "D" in that seat is...it goes toward Dems having the majority. Honeycombe8 Oct 2018 #71

You make a good point... FM123 Oct 2018 #77

He voted with Dems on ACA and against repeal of ACA Jersey Devil Oct 2018 #74

There you go Eko Oct 2018 #79

Watch out, you aren't being ideologically "pure" Dopers_Greed Oct 2018 #86

His first vote each Congress is for Majority Leader karynnj Oct 2018 #85

No, that's not the point. The point is regaining the majority so we can control the process. yardwork Oct 2018 #105

If he votes yes, there will be no end to my rage. But that will not change the fact that Squinch Oct 2018 #2

I'm with you. I'm voting a straight DEMOCRATIC ticket underthematrix Oct 2018 #6

Me too. And I will never, ever in my life, vote for a republican. Democrats could shoot my dog, Squinch Oct 2018 #9

relax, he won't be the 50th yes vote...... getagrip_already Oct 2018 #48

You appear to have responded to my post without reading it. Squinch Oct 2018 #54

Yes, and I urge people to read up on the looney who is running against him. GoCubsGo Oct 2018 #96

Agree totally exboyfil Oct 2018 #3

There will be NO defense of Manchin if he votes to confirm. mountain grammy Oct 2018 #4

His vote for cloture is showing his hand.. disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #5

Na. He can still vote no. Imperialism Inc. Oct 2018 #10

This is what I am hoping for too. trixie2 Oct 2018 #42

The outcome was always a lock. Murkowski would moonscape Oct 2018 #98

"They do not vote independently" disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #113

The Fact About Manchin & HIs Voting Me. Oct 2018 #7

ill take 39 BigGermanGuy Oct 2018 #26

Here is a different perspective of his votes BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #34

That has been my understanding as well Thew Oct 2018 #38

Not Exactly Me. Oct 2018 #40

pure politics... but don't get me wrong.. JHan Oct 2018 #44

Agree with JHan BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #49

I'm Assuming You're Talking About His Expediency Me. Oct 2018 #50

Yes - "politics" BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #55

Agreed Me. Oct 2018 #62

Hate to say but BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #63

That's a lot better than even a moderate Repub, who votes w/Trump agenda 80%-90% of the time. nt Honeycombe8 Oct 2018 #72

He Will Lose Most Of His Lead If He Votes Yes LandOfHopeAndDreams Oct 2018 #8

My feeling is if he should lose his seat over this, that's on him, not the voters. Autumn Oct 2018 #13

Agreed blueinredohio Oct 2018 #15

As a survivor of domestic abuse recentevents Oct 2018 #22

This. So much this Autumn Oct 2018 #41

He has 4 weeks to turn it around... lame54 Oct 2018 #60

Trust me, that is the talk here in morgantown. a la izquierda Oct 2018 #111

One thing for sure, I'm glad I don't live there because as a woman if he votes yes Autumn Oct 2018 #11

I'm still wresting with this Boomer Oct 2018 #99

I guess those of us who have Republican Senators Autumn Oct 2018 #100

He got his "See I'm a moderate, yea" vote with this cloture vote. SaschaHM Oct 2018 #12

Yup. I wish people would see this. Drunken Irishman Oct 2018 #18

Who knows, there could be kompromat on him. JudyM Oct 2018 #14

West Virginia has a primary. That is when to deal with this. WeekiWater Oct 2018 #16

+1 BannonsLiver Oct 2018 #21

How is he a Democrat? Equinox Moon Oct 2018 #17

He chooses to caucuses with the Democrats. SaschaHM Oct 2018 #20

See this chart BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #36

You're forgetting the OTHER argument. We are close to having Senate control. pnwmom Oct 2018 #19

I'm shocked that the oversight failures of the Trump era haven't convinced ... SaschaHM Oct 2018 #24

Yeah, I know. When we lost all those DINOs we lost control, and have been suffering ever since.nt pnwmom Oct 2018 #27

I believe BigGermanGuy Oct 2018 #23

I agree and would add, who represents Democrats in WVA who oppose Kavanaugh? jalan48 Oct 2018 #25

Senators are supposed to vote everyone in their state, not just party members. n/t pnwmom Oct 2018 #28

Right, that's how the Republican's see it for sure. jalan48 Oct 2018 #31

Except in Maine and possibly elsewhere where the people disagree with the Republicans nt karynnj Oct 2018 #33

Here's what's up in WV: k8conant Oct 2018 #30

Thanks for the actual reality check! Manchin is just hedging his bets before a NO. Wise. Fred Sanders Oct 2018 #51

Um how did that work out? Nt a la izquierda Oct 2018 #110

They won't touch this now... disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #114

Yep she was, Paula Jean Sweringen. a la izquierda Oct 2018 #116

And I don't blame YOU.. disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #117

You misstate the argument for backing him karynnj Oct 2018 #32

If Manchin wins, and the Democrats have 51 Seantors, we control the committees and the floor louis c Oct 2018 #35

If Joe votes yes,even in Red State he he will lose INdemo Oct 2018 #37

Manchin +10 or so in polling...no R will beat him. Not this time. Ruby Red state Democrsts have to Fred Sanders Oct 2018 #53

He might lead by 10 it doesnt't matter at this point. He could lead by 20 pts. INdemo Oct 2018 #64

Of course, so he will vote NO. Fred Sanders Oct 2018 #65

10+ is no guarantee! RealityChik Oct 2018 #82

The Democrats didn't elect him without a lot of help from independents. pnwmom Oct 2018 #87

This is a time of conscience, not just politics. HopeAgain Oct 2018 #39

Down here in rural Arkansas it is normal to see a Democratic mayor, or judge etc LiberalArkie Oct 2018 #43

+1000 Power 2 the People Oct 2018 #45

Jim Justice Bear Creek Oct 2018 #46

Anyone who votes with the fascists is a fascist and should be treated as a fascist. nt elmac Oct 2018 #47

We need to keep Manchin in so that when we really need him, we have a Democratic vote EffieBlack Oct 2018 #52

exactly. nt JCanete Oct 2018 #59

But then we get this from him. Skidmore Oct 2018 #108

I don't get why a "yes" vote helps him in November. Gore1FL Oct 2018 #56

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2018 #57

He needs a firm message from the Democratic Party- RainCaster Oct 2018 #66

right and turn a Democratic seat over to repugs...and never have a majority...look at the Demsrule86 Oct 2018 #84

And he just sold old per MSNBC. Gore1FL Oct 2018 #67

per DU just now DonCoquixote Oct 2018 #69

I COMPLETELY agree with you! Trueblue Texan Oct 2018 #70

This message was self-deleted by its author SergeStorms Oct 2018 #73

As far as I'm concerned, he's a warm body for a dem majority wellst0nev0ter Oct 2018 #75

Well said! I say, "Save just punishment (or even revenge) for after we win!" RealityChik Oct 2018 #81

He has precisely one use, and it has nothing to do with "keeping powder dry" D23MIURG23 Oct 2018 #76

Cut him loose. We can't have people who think men treating women like this is okay on our side. onecaliberal Oct 2018 #78

Nonsense...a Republican would be worse. Why make a situation worse...we need a majority to stop Demsrule86 Oct 2018 #83

No. We could do much more for women and men if we control the Senate than if we don't. n/t pnwmom Oct 2018 #88

very shaky DonCoquixote Oct 2018 #90

If we control the Senate, we control which bills come out of committees and which judges pnwmom Oct 2018 #91

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2018 #80

Trump will claim Kavanaugh was confirmed by a "bipartisan vote." LastLiberal in PalmSprings Oct 2018 #89

It's about getting the majority, not the single vote. yardwork Oct 2018 #93

I understand that the guy who is running against him is much, much, much worse. GoCubsGo Oct 2018 #94

"So, you want a republican in that seat?" Buns_of_Fire Oct 2018 #95

Too soon, dude. Too soon. LadyHawkAZ Oct 2018 #97

I disagree that rape victims will have to go to the back alleys. JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2018 #101

Seriously?? handmade34 Oct 2018 #102

We need to flip a couple states that are not West Virginia Bradical79 Oct 2018 #103

I'd rather have a Manchin in a Senate seat that counts towards Democrats controlling the Senate. elocs Oct 2018 #104

Would 51-49 change the outcome? JHan Oct 2018 #106

My thoughts Timmygoat Oct 2018 #107

Didn't he just vote YES in the most important vote of the decade? Nitram Oct 2018 #109

Even if he had voted no the Repugnants could have broken any deadlock cstanleytech Oct 2018 #112

It's not about how he votes Trumpocalypse Oct 2018 #115

The problem is: if he goes you will get a Republican. Who else is going to stand for his seat? marble falls Oct 2018 #118