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grantcart

(53,061 posts)
46. Incorrect on all three points
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 03:12 PM
Oct 2018

1) Your use of the word moot is incorrect.

To begin with moot doesn't mean 'immaterial to the facts' which is a common usage and probably what you meant, it actually means "unsettled"



subject to debate, dispute, or uncertainty, and typically not admitting of a final decision.



What you probably intended to mean was that it was moot in the sense that a legal motion can be rendered "moot" if it is found not to be material to the question and doesn't need a ruling.

In any case neither you nor I decide whether the issue is moot, only the voters will decide. You can choose to ignore it as a factor, which you obviously have.

What could be the factor?

These races are currently statistically tied:

Nelson FL +1
Bredsen TN -5
Donelly +2
Sinema +2
McCaskill +3
Heller -4
Tester +4

So the question is if a loss on Kavanaugh reinforces the current trend of increased right wing turn out is it worth it to block Kavanaugh and lose 7 Senate seats?

Giving the Republicans the Senate for 2 more years carries a high risk that another justice may be incapacitated during that time giving them a) either another democratic seat or b) replacing an elderly Republican with a younger one.

Ginzberg age 85
Breyer 80
Thomas 70 ( I wouldn't put it past Thomas to resign simply to give the ability to control the seat for another 40 years)

So the Hobsian choice we might be faced with is

1) A seat held by Kavanaugh or some other equally repugnant right wing apparatchik but we get control of the Senate

or

2) Loss of the Senate in which case the seat will still be filled by a right wing apparatchik but they could also then confirm one or two more justices in the next 2 years and control the Senate.

Don't get me wrong, if Kavanaugh gets voted down I will celebrate but I am also aware that the cost could be unbearable and me declaring it "moot" doesn't make it moot to the voters in TN, AZ, MT, NV or FL.

2) You and I agree that Kavanaugh is a 'fix' for Trump. What I find difficult to understand is why you don't also think that the next nominee (or two or three) won't also be a fix for Trump. Who ever Trump nominates is going to believe that the President is untouchable.

3) "Impeaching a sitting SCJOOTUS is damn near impossible" Really? How about removing an elected Vice President of the United States that received 88 million votes? It would be obviously more difficult to do the latter but it took only 10 days to remove Agnew after it was discovered that he had taken a relatively small payment of $ 10,000 that had nothing to do with his job as Vice President.

If a criminal conviction against Kavanaugh was brought on either the perjury (which seems strong on the Mendez allegation) or on any of the sexual assault charges and looked like it would result in a criminal conviction with time served the prosecutors would offer and Kavanaugh would take the same deal that Agnew took. How strong are either of those cases? Nobody knows but IF he faces a conviction then removal would not only not be impossible, not just likely but almost certain. The question is are the assault charges strong enough to prosecute (I assume it would come down to Mark Judge) or whether his texts to get his friends to back him up on Mendez charge fall within the narrow legal discussion of perjury.


If Kavanaugh is blocked I will take a day off of canvassing for Sinema and celebrate.

If we lose the Senate because of it I will regret it for the rest of my life.

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Again, It Takes 67 To Remove A Justice LandOfHopeAndDreams Oct 2018 #1
Not if he is convicted of perjury. grantcart Oct 2018 #3
He can be convicted of the Tate murders and he is still a Supreme Court justice until he's impeached Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2018 #8
It if he is in a federal facility grantcart Oct 2018 #11
There was a judge in a federal facility who insisted on keeping his job. pnwmom Oct 2018 #13
Sad but true... Rethugs will never vote with Democrats to impeach even a gang rapist. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #27
Where did you get that idea? WillowTree Oct 2018 #9
If he is convicted of criminal perjury and is sentenced to a federal directions facility grantcart Oct 2018 #12
A convicted judge in Mississippi refused to resign and had to be impeached. pnwmom Oct 2018 #14
Federal Prosecutors have a 90% record in getting defendants to grantcart Oct 2018 #16
I agree. He lied not once but 3 times, claiming to be unaware of Ramirez's allegation pnwmom Oct 2018 #18
He lied viirtually every time he opened his mouth. grantcart Oct 2018 #20
+1 uponit7771 Oct 2018 #21
I would agree - if Mitch McConnell wasn't such a... dchill Oct 2018 #2
If it's not this it will be something else. RDANGELO Oct 2018 #4
That would be the smart thing for them to do Quixote1818 Oct 2018 #5
You know they are having this discussion right now. nt Quixote1818 Oct 2018 #6
I don't like to out think situations Awsi Dooger Oct 2018 #7
They have the votes Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2018 #10
Have a bad feeling Manchin will vote "aye" regardless of the outcome... InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #28
as i posted earlier manchin never ever voted to give a deciding vote for the GOP drray23 Oct 2018 #30
I think Flake only votes no if one other Republican does DFW Oct 2018 #15
I can't see Murkowski voting yes grantcart Oct 2018 #19
If Sasse (who is on the Judiciary committee) decides to be true to his speech BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #22
That would be awesome... but, don't expect it from that Sasse-hole. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #31
Well correct on Murkowski grantcart Oct 2018 #36
I agree. betsuni Oct 2018 #17
Let the GOP commit political suicide by confirming a rapist Lifelong MA liberal Oct 2018 #23
Over 1,000 law professors don't think he's fit to serve YessirAtsaFact Oct 2018 #32
Should be announced that's the action plan on Day 1 of the next Congress. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #33
I'm really afraid we are going to lose both chambers of Congress in the midterms due to this Dopers_Greed Oct 2018 #24
The House is ours by a lot grantcart Oct 2018 #25
Not so fast... RealityChik Oct 2018 #53
If they beat us at our most motivated qazplm135 Oct 2018 #29
I don't... but, then again, these deplorables came out in sufficient numbers to InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #34
It's always been tough to motivate non-RW'ers to vote Dopers_Greed Oct 2018 #35
They can screw themselves now or screw themselves permanently bucolic_frolic Oct 2018 #26
I wish everyone... Charlotte Little Oct 2018 #38
While I'm praying you are right Charlotte Little Oct 2018 #37
Be careful what you pray for grantcart Oct 2018 #39
Nope Charlotte Little Oct 2018 #43
Incorrect on all three points grantcart Oct 2018 #46
I'm not writing a novel back to you but Charlotte Little Oct 2018 #50
One thing I would like to add regarding turnout Mr.Bill Oct 2018 #52
Collins and Manchin bucolic_frolic Oct 2018 #40
Flake... Charlotte Little Oct 2018 #44
He will be confirmed k-dub Oct 2018 #41
Except if Kavanaugh is votrd down they have time to vote another in grantcart Oct 2018 #42
If you're right, you can make some money on predictit.org William Seger Oct 2018 #45
I would never wager money on what Collins would do, esp if it requires her doing the moral thing grantcart Oct 2018 #47
Well, you were right about the Collins prediction, and shares down to $0.05 now William Seger Oct 2018 #48
Sorry, but I just got a little news bulletin from CNN. murielm99 Oct 2018 #49
remember the health care vote went this way up until the very end samnsara Oct 2018 #51
Did not age well PDittie Oct 2018 #54
Agreed Sherman A1 Oct 2018 #55
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