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Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
16. That would entail engaging in procedural war. That's what Republicans do.
Fri Oct 5, 2018, 11:36 PM
Oct 2018

Democrats engage in policy war.

I will once again point to this article: https://www.vox.com/2018/5/1/17258866/democratic-party-republicans-trump-election

David Faris
...my point is that no policy platform is going to win three or four consecutive national elections for Democrats because we know policy isn’t what decides elections; that’s not how most voters make decisions.

So there are no policy changes that are going to reverse the overall trajectory that this society is on right now. We have to address some of the structural barriers to progressive power in this country, and we need to take those things as seriously as we do the policy fights within the party.

Sean Illing
I definitely want to get into some of these structural barriers, but let’s be clear about this point you’re making. A lot of people still think there’s some meaningful connection between policy outcomes and voter decisions, but there’s a good bit of political science research to suggest that’s just a fantasy.

David Faris
Right. People just don’t seem to make the connection between policies and the party in power.

So, for example, the Democrats passed Obamacare and gave millions of people heath care, and yet tons of people who benefited from it have no idea what it is or how they benefited. And it’s like that with a lot of policies — voters simply don’t connect the dots, and so they reward or punish the wrong party.

I think the idea that we’re going to deliver these benefits to people and they’re going to be like, “Thank you Jesus, thank you for everything that you’ve done, let me return you with a larger majority next time,” is just nonsense. It’s the wrong way to think about politics.

That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do things for people, but we’ve got to be serious about how elections are won. And they’re not being won on the basis of policy proposals or policy wins.

Sean Illing
In the book, you say that Democrats are engaged in “policy fights” and Republicans are waging a “procedural war.” What does that mean?

David Faris
The Constitution is a shockingly short document, and it turns out that it’s extremely vague on some key procedures that we rely on to help government function at a basic level. For the government to work, cooperation between parties is needed. But when that cooperation is withdrawn, it creates chaos.

Since the ’90s, when Newt Gingrich took over Congress, we’ve seen a one-sided escalation in which Republicans exploit the vagueness or lack of clarity in the Constitution in order to press their advantage in a variety of arenas — from voter ID laws to gerrymandering to behavioral norms in the Congress and Senate.

Sean Illing
What the Republicans did to Merrick Garland was one of the most egregious examples I’ve ever seen.

David Faris
Right. They essentially stole a seat on the Supreme Court — a swing seat, no less. But they correctly argued that they had no clear constitutional obligation to consider the president’s nominee for the seat. They didn’t violate the Constitution. They violated the spirit of the Constitution. They violated the norms that have allowed these institutions to function normally for years and years.

This is the sort of maneuvering and procedural warfare I’m talking about, and the Republicans have been escalating it for two decades. And they’ve managed to entrench their power through these dubious procedures.

The result is that the structural environment is biased against Democrats and the Republicans have engineered it that way.

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Probably would not work TheRealNorth Oct 2018 #1
The number of justices is determined by Congress. dalton99a Oct 2018 #9
FDR almost did. NEOBuckeye Oct 2018 #2
Right SCantiGOP Oct 2018 #7
FDR didn't come remotely close to succeeding in his court packing plan onenote Oct 2018 #11
Can trump do this now? Soxfan58 Oct 2018 #30
He doesn't see the necessity. kentuck Oct 2018 #31
Add one? How about add 5, a LGBT, a single mom, a Muslim, etc. Meadowoak Oct 2018 #3
Agree on this. Never understand why calls for diversity are exclusively about race and gender. MadDAsHell Oct 2018 #19
5 Catholics on the court--very unrepresentative spooky3 Oct 2018 #27
Add more and remove some. LiberalFighter Oct 2018 #4
No basis to remove any that will garner 2/3 vote of the Senate brooklynite Oct 2018 #22
Time to put pressure on them to leave. LiberalFighter Oct 2018 #33
Don't think I am in favor of expansion SCantiGOP Oct 2018 #5
Absolutely. First, win back the White House and Congress, dalton99a Oct 2018 #6
And how would we stop the republicans from doing exactly thst onenote Oct 2018 #8
Republicans can wait for their turn. dalton99a Oct 2018 #10
If they wanted to they could do it next week onenote Oct 2018 #13
Let them try. dalton99a Oct 2018 #15
The 1937 plan was a complete failure onenote Oct 2018 #17
Yes, it was. In 1937. kcr Oct 2018 #21
Yup - this should be talk the second Dems take Senate Adenoid_Hynkel Oct 2018 #12
Has to be done brokephibroke Oct 2018 #14
That would entail engaging in procedural war. That's what Republicans do. Garrett78 Oct 2018 #16
The ACA is a bad example of the point it's trying to make. MadDAsHell Oct 2018 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author geralmar Oct 2018 #18
I've been saying this for awhile Azathoth Oct 2018 #23
Let's just make every person over the age of 18 a Supreme Court Justice hardluck Oct 2018 #24
yes it would be dreadful to do anything shanny Oct 2018 #28
Kick ck4829 Oct 2018 #25
So how many Catholics are there on the court? greymattermom Oct 2018 #26
Do let's wait until we have Democratic control of Congress and MineralMan Oct 2018 #29
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2018 #32
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