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DonCoquixote

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90. very shaky

Sat Oct 6, 2018, 12:20 PM

Oct 2018

although yes, controlling the Senate is important, if the GOP controls the people IN the Senate, it can be just as bad bad, if not worse; how? Because it is one thing to fight an opponent when you are unified, but when you have people within your party, destroying the unity you need, it can cut off your legs before you even get up.

I realize we want the Senate. but yes, we do need to think of some real way that the DINOS (or for that matter, the RINOS) do not meet and sell us out. If we do not do that, then everything we try to do will be stillborn, in the manner that the "good democrat" Joe Liberman made sure healthcare had no crutches.

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Joe manchin [View all] DonCoquixote Oct 2018 OP

Everything you just said is true. secondwind Oct 2018 #1

Except almost all of it about Manchin. Fred Sanders Oct 2018 #29

The point is woundedkarma Oct 2018 #58

...who else is going to win a Senate seat in WV? Fred Sanders Oct 2018 #61

let us say no one DonCoquixote Oct 2018 #68

And I'd rather divert funds to a surer bet on... Trueblue Texan Oct 2018 #92

A very important reason for having a "D" in that seat is...it goes toward Dems having the majority. Honeycombe8 Oct 2018 #71

You make a good point... FM123 Oct 2018 #77

He voted with Dems on ACA and against repeal of ACA Jersey Devil Oct 2018 #74

There you go Eko Oct 2018 #79

Watch out, you aren't being ideologically "pure" Dopers_Greed Oct 2018 #86

His first vote each Congress is for Majority Leader karynnj Oct 2018 #85

No, that's not the point. The point is regaining the majority so we can control the process. yardwork Oct 2018 #105

If he votes yes, there will be no end to my rage. But that will not change the fact that Squinch Oct 2018 #2

I'm with you. I'm voting a straight DEMOCRATIC ticket underthematrix Oct 2018 #6

Me too. And I will never, ever in my life, vote for a republican. Democrats could shoot my dog, Squinch Oct 2018 #9

relax, he won't be the 50th yes vote...... getagrip_already Oct 2018 #48

You appear to have responded to my post without reading it. Squinch Oct 2018 #54

Yes, and I urge people to read up on the looney who is running against him. GoCubsGo Oct 2018 #96

Agree totally exboyfil Oct 2018 #3

There will be NO defense of Manchin if he votes to confirm. mountain grammy Oct 2018 #4

His vote for cloture is showing his hand.. disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #5

Na. He can still vote no. Imperialism Inc. Oct 2018 #10

This is what I am hoping for too. trixie2 Oct 2018 #42

The outcome was always a lock. Murkowski would moonscape Oct 2018 #98

"They do not vote independently" disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #113

The Fact About Manchin & HIs Voting Me. Oct 2018 #7

ill take 39 BigGermanGuy Oct 2018 #26

Here is a different perspective of his votes BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #34

That has been my understanding as well Thew Oct 2018 #38

Not Exactly Me. Oct 2018 #40

pure politics... but don't get me wrong.. JHan Oct 2018 #44

Agree with JHan BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #49

I'm Assuming You're Talking About His Expediency Me. Oct 2018 #50

Yes - "politics" BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #55

Agreed Me. Oct 2018 #62

Hate to say but BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #63

That's a lot better than even a moderate Repub, who votes w/Trump agenda 80%-90% of the time. nt Honeycombe8 Oct 2018 #72

He Will Lose Most Of His Lead If He Votes Yes LandOfHopeAndDreams Oct 2018 #8

My feeling is if he should lose his seat over this, that's on him, not the voters. Autumn Oct 2018 #13

Agreed blueinredohio Oct 2018 #15

As a survivor of domestic abuse recentevents Oct 2018 #22

This. So much this Autumn Oct 2018 #41

He has 4 weeks to turn it around... lame54 Oct 2018 #60

Trust me, that is the talk here in morgantown. a la izquierda Oct 2018 #111

One thing for sure, I'm glad I don't live there because as a woman if he votes yes Autumn Oct 2018 #11

I'm still wresting with this Boomer Oct 2018 #99

I guess those of us who have Republican Senators Autumn Oct 2018 #100

He got his "See I'm a moderate, yea" vote with this cloture vote. SaschaHM Oct 2018 #12

Yup. I wish people would see this. Drunken Irishman Oct 2018 #18

Who knows, there could be kompromat on him. JudyM Oct 2018 #14

West Virginia has a primary. That is when to deal with this. WeekiWater Oct 2018 #16

+1 BannonsLiver Oct 2018 #21

How is he a Democrat? Equinox Moon Oct 2018 #17

He chooses to caucuses with the Democrats. SaschaHM Oct 2018 #20

See this chart BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #36

You're forgetting the OTHER argument. We are close to having Senate control. pnwmom Oct 2018 #19

I'm shocked that the oversight failures of the Trump era haven't convinced ... SaschaHM Oct 2018 #24

Yeah, I know. When we lost all those DINOs we lost control, and have been suffering ever since.nt pnwmom Oct 2018 #27

I believe BigGermanGuy Oct 2018 #23

I agree and would add, who represents Democrats in WVA who oppose Kavanaugh? jalan48 Oct 2018 #25

Senators are supposed to vote everyone in their state, not just party members. n/t pnwmom Oct 2018 #28

Right, that's how the Republican's see it for sure. jalan48 Oct 2018 #31

Except in Maine and possibly elsewhere where the people disagree with the Republicans nt karynnj Oct 2018 #33

Here's what's up in WV: k8conant Oct 2018 #30

Thanks for the actual reality check! Manchin is just hedging his bets before a NO. Wise. Fred Sanders Oct 2018 #51

Um how did that work out? Nt a la izquierda Oct 2018 #110

They won't touch this now... disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #114

Yep she was, Paula Jean Sweringen. a la izquierda Oct 2018 #116

And I don't blame YOU.. disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #117

You misstate the argument for backing him karynnj Oct 2018 #32

If Manchin wins, and the Democrats have 51 Seantors, we control the committees and the floor louis c Oct 2018 #35

If Joe votes yes,even in Red State he he will lose INdemo Oct 2018 #37

Manchin +10 or so in polling...no R will beat him. Not this time. Ruby Red state Democrsts have to Fred Sanders Oct 2018 #53

He might lead by 10 it doesnt't matter at this point. He could lead by 20 pts. INdemo Oct 2018 #64

Of course, so he will vote NO. Fred Sanders Oct 2018 #65

10+ is no guarantee! RealityChik Oct 2018 #82

The Democrats didn't elect him without a lot of help from independents. pnwmom Oct 2018 #87

This is a time of conscience, not just politics. HopeAgain Oct 2018 #39

Down here in rural Arkansas it is normal to see a Democratic mayor, or judge etc LiberalArkie Oct 2018 #43

+1000 Power 2 the People Oct 2018 #45

Jim Justice Bear Creek Oct 2018 #46

Anyone who votes with the fascists is a fascist and should be treated as a fascist. nt elmac Oct 2018 #47

We need to keep Manchin in so that when we really need him, we have a Democratic vote EffieBlack Oct 2018 #52

exactly. nt JCanete Oct 2018 #59

But then we get this from him. Skidmore Oct 2018 #108

I don't get why a "yes" vote helps him in November. Gore1FL Oct 2018 #56

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2018 #57

He needs a firm message from the Democratic Party- RainCaster Oct 2018 #66

right and turn a Democratic seat over to repugs...and never have a majority...look at the Demsrule86 Oct 2018 #84

And he just sold old per MSNBC. Gore1FL Oct 2018 #67

per DU just now DonCoquixote Oct 2018 #69

I COMPLETELY agree with you! Trueblue Texan Oct 2018 #70

This message was self-deleted by its author SergeStorms Oct 2018 #73

As far as I'm concerned, he's a warm body for a dem majority wellst0nev0ter Oct 2018 #75

Well said! I say, "Save just punishment (or even revenge) for after we win!" RealityChik Oct 2018 #81

He has precisely one use, and it has nothing to do with "keeping powder dry" D23MIURG23 Oct 2018 #76

Cut him loose. We can't have people who think men treating women like this is okay on our side. onecaliberal Oct 2018 #78

Nonsense...a Republican would be worse. Why make a situation worse...we need a majority to stop Demsrule86 Oct 2018 #83

No. We could do much more for women and men if we control the Senate than if we don't. n/t pnwmom Oct 2018 #88

very shaky DonCoquixote Oct 2018 #90

If we control the Senate, we control which bills come out of committees and which judges pnwmom Oct 2018 #91

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2018 #80

Trump will claim Kavanaugh was confirmed by a "bipartisan vote." LastLiberal in PalmSprings Oct 2018 #89

It's about getting the majority, not the single vote. yardwork Oct 2018 #93

I understand that the guy who is running against him is much, much, much worse. GoCubsGo Oct 2018 #94

"So, you want a republican in that seat?" Buns_of_Fire Oct 2018 #95

Too soon, dude. Too soon. LadyHawkAZ Oct 2018 #97

I disagree that rape victims will have to go to the back alleys. JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2018 #101

Seriously?? handmade34 Oct 2018 #102

We need to flip a couple states that are not West Virginia Bradical79 Oct 2018 #103

I'd rather have a Manchin in a Senate seat that counts towards Democrats controlling the Senate. elocs Oct 2018 #104

Would 51-49 change the outcome? JHan Oct 2018 #106

My thoughts Timmygoat Oct 2018 #107

Didn't he just vote YES in the most important vote of the decade? Nitram Oct 2018 #109

Even if he had voted no the Repugnants could have broken any deadlock cstanleytech Oct 2018 #112

It's not about how he votes Trumpocalypse Oct 2018 #115

The problem is: if he goes you will get a Republican. Who else is going to stand for his seat? marble falls Oct 2018 #118