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39. This. Except for the I-could-emigrate-easily-and-live-well part.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 07:36 AM
Oct 2018

American politics are indeed ugly, brutal, sickening even, and our democracy itself is threatened, being step by step taken over by insatiable greedy plutocrats.

But there are very few pockets of the world in which the national politics (or else economies) aren't either (a) permanent running disasters, or (b) also trending badly of late, and already scary messes too or seemingly on the downslope in that direction. I suppose one could emigrate and totally ignore the politics (or poverry) of one's new home. But if disengagement is one's remedy, that can be done right here.

The English speaking exceptions to these patterns are Canada and New Zealand. The Kiwis are sounding like they're already tired of Americans with the resources buying bug-out homes down there and driving up their real estate prices, and they're starting to restrict it.

The most sane, civilized, advanced, economically sound, democratic, and contented non-Anglo region I believe is Scandinavia. And nearly everybody's 2nd language there is English. But all four countries' plus Iceland's total population is, what... can't be much more than 25 or 30 million? Those countries can't handle and won't accept a lot of us fleeing our nation of 325 million, any more than it can be the refuge for the probably 100s of millions of people who want out of much more intolerable conditions elsewhere in the world and would love to emigrate there. A few can escape to Scandinavia, but not many.

So there's a shortage of true refuges from the kind of shit we're facing here. For most of us the best and most realistic option is stay, and either fight, or disengage.

'Stay and fight" is what our country and the rest of the world need us to do.

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Take a bus to Canada donkeypoofed Oct 2018 #1
Canada won't take me unless I have a highly skilled position like medicine or computers. OliverQ Oct 2018 #3
A lot of people don't realize that. BigmanPigman Oct 2018 #7
Greed is what is truly killing this country. roamer65 Oct 2018 #11
lagom Celerity Oct 2018 #16
Thank you! BigmanPigman Oct 2018 #45
Yes, I like that philosophy too.... FM123 Oct 2018 #38
Maybe you can sneak across their border pintobean Oct 2018 #34
Sounds like Utopia when compared to this mess of a former nation. democratisphere Oct 2018 #31
. struggle4progress Oct 2018 #2
Flight or fight WhiteTara Oct 2018 #4
"Find some green space." Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2018 #37
Thank you. WhiteTara Oct 2018 #41
Join the club. Laffy Kat Oct 2018 #5
a friend is going under grandparents KT2000 Oct 2018 #20
Not all our immigrants are "highly skilled" donkeypoofed Oct 2018 #6
Don't despair!! Lunabell Oct 2018 #8
Vote. awesomerwb1 Oct 2018 #9
Wow, you know OliverQ personally uppityperson Oct 2018 #13
Amazing comeback. awesomerwb1 Oct 2018 #15
Thank you. I've only met about 5 other there but wouldn't think of telling them to not uppityperson Oct 2018 #17
Snap! lunatica Oct 2018 #46
I have to say k-dub Oct 2018 #10
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2018 #18
If you live near Canada, there is another option. roamer65 Oct 2018 #12
That is false Fiendish Thingy Oct 2018 #40
Ya cant fight here if you dont live here. Separation Oct 2018 #14
This. Except for the I-could-emigrate-easily-and-live-well part. SuprstitionAintthWay Oct 2018 #39
This country is more than the stuff you read on DU. wasupaloopa Oct 2018 #19
I agree Raine Oct 2018 #22
As a proud citizen of the California Republic, I completely agree.... Pachamama Oct 2018 #25
FFS! A patriot stays and fights for his country before running away. Doodley Oct 2018 #21
This is my country Norbert Oct 2018 #23
I understand the feeling, but frogmarch Oct 2018 #24
+1000 Pachamama Oct 2018 #26
My unsolicited advice, take some time off, then come back and vote. That is the only way things still_one Oct 2018 #27
This is what Vladimir Putin wants. secondwind Oct 2018 #28
Dan Rather has words for this: ariadne0614 Oct 2018 #29
For people like me rownesheck Oct 2018 #30
what state do you live in ? JI7 Oct 2018 #32
Oh, you'd be surprised what a person can put up with. DFW Oct 2018 #33
steppenwolf 7 -- renegade Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2018 #44
Take your rage to the campaign trail. Make calls. Knock doors. Donate. Vote. And bring friends. LBM20 Oct 2018 #35
Buck up Little Camper. I feel the same way sometimes, we all do. We're not giving up njhoneybadger Oct 2018 #36
When I get to thinking that way, I think about my uncle Joe nuxvomica Oct 2018 #42
It's already a world war. Iterate Oct 2018 #43
Same here... I'm wavering between moving away and doing myself in. Still In Wisconsin Oct 2018 #47
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