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EffieBlack

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68. They would have done this when they had 51 votes

Sun Oct 7, 2018, 07:59 AM

Oct 2018

And they would have gotten the votes, with a couple of Dems joining in.

I amazed at this spectacle of watching Democrats - many of whom demand that Dem leaders take off the gloves and fight back - no actually blame Republicans' behavior on the fact that Democrats fought back.

I call bullshit on this bullshit.

The bottom line is if the Dems hadn't gotten rid of the filibuster, they wouldn't have gotten ANY of Obama's judge through, they would have left dozens more additional judgeships open for Trump to fill. And the second the Dems tried to filibuster a nomination, the Republicans would have launched the nuclear option. And don't let anyone fool you - if they can get 50 Republicans and Manchin to install an attempted rapist on the Supreme Court, they would have had no problem getting more than enough votes to take judicial nominations to a simple majority.

So, we'd be right where we are now - the only difference being that we'd have even more Trump judge on the federal bench.

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If the base didn't demand we use the 60 vote filibuster on Gorsuch, we would have won today... [View all] Casprings Oct 2018 OP

I have to agree on this Amishman Oct 2018 #1

yes... I will take a lot of heat.. but the ABOVE is 100% true Casprings Oct 2018 #3

how do you feel about those self-identified progressives who refused to vote for the DEMOCRATIC still_one Oct 2018 #57

I hope they learned from their mistake Amishman Oct 2018 #62

This was no mistake. It was very clear that the SC was at stake, and in fact that was still_one Oct 2018 #69

It's all of our fault Newland56 Oct 2018 #78

bullshit. This had nothing to do with Hillary or Bernie. Over 90% of Sanders supporters voted for still_one Oct 2018 #96

I respectfully disagree Newland56 Oct 2018 #98

They were NOT Bernie supporters. If you go over to JPR and read the racist, sexist assholes rants still_one Oct 2018 #100

Yes we do Newland56 Oct 2018 #101

A few other points Newland56 Oct 2018 #99

Yes, this is all Democrats' fault mcar Oct 2018 #2

or people can just vote . stop seeing politics as something to entertain you JI7 Oct 2018 #4

Oh bullshit. shanny Oct 2018 #5

Russiapublicans make up the Senate rules as they go along meow2u3 Oct 2018 #13

Exactly. shanny Oct 2018 #14

They need 50 votes to do it.. Casprings Oct 2018 #50

Yep. I'm not playing "what if" with these fuckers at the wheel Drahthaardogs Oct 2018 #17

+1 shanny Oct 2018 #21

Ditto In It to Win It Oct 2018 #35

Agreed Salviati Oct 2018 #27

+1, Some are still fighting tanks with shot guns uponit7771 Oct 2018 #74

Might be true. But the theft of Merrick Garland's seat was still so fresh SuprstitionAintthWay Oct 2018 #6

Schumer did it because he was worried about pissing off the base.. Casprings Oct 2018 #7

I agree that emotion over smart strategy hurts us in many ways. SuprstitionAintthWay Oct 2018 #10

You can have both. The people that you need to vote aren't somehow Casprings Oct 2018 #12

Wot? shanny Oct 2018 #28

Yep. McTurtle would have simply changed the rules for Kav YessirAtsaFact Oct 2018 #29

Yes that is exactly it Bettie Oct 2018 #111

They had less votes now.. Casprings Oct 2018 #119

I still think rockfordfile Oct 2018 #19

How? Gothmog Oct 2018 #84

The only thing Obama could have done... In It to Win It Oct 2018 #91

Not only is that plainly not a "fact", it's an opinion with little experience of Republicans muriel_volestrangler Oct 2018 #8

No... I am suggesting they are better at getting what they want Casprings Oct 2018 #9

I can't see how your OP was about that at all muriel_volestrangler Oct 2018 #11

OP full of non sequiturs grantcart Oct 2018 #97

That's because they don't give a flyin monkey fuck about what it looks like Volaris Oct 2018 #48

This reply doesn't address the question around timing of KGOP actions that was asked. uponit7771 Oct 2018 #75

But if they hadn't in fact believed the only way to confirm Gorsuch SuprstitionAintthWay Oct 2018 #18

Yes, they would have. Because they knew they want to put extremists on the SC muriel_volestrangler Oct 2018 #56

When "we" lost the Senate in 2014 BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #15

+1000 bronxiteforever Oct 2018 #77

I predicted that at the time. Ms. Toad Oct 2018 #16

There are a couple of problems with that analysis, although I do think it has some merit. StevieM Oct 2018 #20

I think you meant "after what they did to Garland" (?) SuprstitionAintthWay Oct 2018 #22

I did. Thanks for the catch. (eom) StevieM Oct 2018 #25

It was poor gamesmanship, Schumer was clearly pressured into taking an action tritsofme Oct 2018 #23

You have to increase your chance is winning. That's the point. Casprings Oct 2018 #52

Um... McConnell is a THUG, working for a thug. ecstatic Oct 2018 #24

I hope that we get someone like that on dem side AlexSFCA Oct 2018 #61

Avenatti? Maybe he should be running for Congress? nt ecstatic Oct 2018 #72

McConnell would have done whatever he had to do to get Kavanaugh. Vinca Oct 2018 #26

This right here is the correct answer JCMach1 Oct 2018 #32

Anyone who thinks otherwise does not understand McConnell. irresistable Oct 2018 #33

Yep, exactly correct DeminPennswoods Oct 2018 #44

And he would need 50 votes... likely 1 more person would have broken Casprings Oct 2018 #53

Why are you confident about that? I doubt it myself. We know how the Republicans roll, they aren't JCanete Oct 2018 #93

A better chance then Gorsuch and strategy is about giving yourself the best chance. Casprings Oct 2018 #114

This message was self-deleted by its author Stargleamer Oct 2018 #105

Oh, it's you....n/t rzemanfl Oct 2018 #30

Laundry is done? dalton99a Oct 2018 #41

It's a constant chore. rzemanfl Oct 2018 #42

You don't really believe that rufus dog Oct 2018 #31

Put it into context... In It to Win It Oct 2018 #34

The central goal of the Republican Party for the last 20 years has been to take control of the Trust Buster Oct 2018 #36

Agreed! In It to Win It Oct 2018 #37

I also think... In It to Win It Oct 2018 #38

Exactly. McConnell would have just changed the rules for Kavanaugh. pnwmom Oct 2018 #46

I would agree. They barely got 50 votes to confirm Kavanaugh. Calista241 Oct 2018 #39

Good point about timing. Going nuclear right as a new term begins is one type of provocation. SuprstitionAintthWay Oct 2018 #47

Oh, bollocks. The moment the Democrats said "we don't like Kavanaugh", McConnell would have muriel_volestrangler Oct 2018 #60

He couldn't have done that. It isn't how it works FBaggins Oct 2018 #113

There was no point in doing it for Gorsuch because the votes were Casprings Oct 2018 #116

They would have done this when they had 51 votes EffieBlack Oct 2018 #68

I call BS. GeorgeGist Oct 2018 #40

Try this- rzemanfl Oct 2018 #43

That was part of it, but it had help from Comey, and also just enough from some self-identified still_one Oct 2018 #59

Not true. The R's could have just gotten rid of the filibuster this time around. n/t pnwmom Oct 2018 #45

Fanta Menace still would have gotten two SCOTUS picks. krispos42 Oct 2018 #49

Couple of years? You mean 30? Casprings Oct 2018 #51

Yep. That fucker does so little work that he'll probably COLGATE4 Oct 2018 #54

Why are you ignoring those so-called self-identified progressives who refused to vote for the still_one Oct 2018 #58

Dammit, that's right. they've been loading it with younger people. krispos42 Oct 2018 #89

Well if thiose so-called self-identified progressives had voted for the DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE, instead still_one Oct 2018 #55

I totally agree Andy823 Oct 2018 #66

You are right Andy, and I sure won't let it happen. We are too close to the midterms, and the still_one Oct 2018 #67

Would Trump then have nominated a moderate compromise candidate? oberliner Oct 2018 #63

Are you serious? EffieBlack Oct 2018 #64

It's such relief to know that it's President Obama's fault! brer cat Oct 2018 #70

Yup EffieBlack Oct 2018 #71

No, that was the right call for the lower courts.. Casprings Oct 2018 #73

Agreed Gothmog Oct 2018 #85

WHY are a bunch of unreliable radicals being called "the base"?!!!! Hortensis Oct 2018 #65

What base? elleng Oct 2018 #76

Dude, why are you blaming Democrats for what the GOP did? McCamy Taylor Oct 2018 #79

yeah, because mcturtle and the trump toadies in the senate are all about respecting norms and rules. unblock Oct 2018 #80

This is outright delusional Azathoth Oct 2018 #81

Bull. They wanted their operative on the court and had the power to just ram him through. JHB Oct 2018 #82

I strongly disagree Gothmog Oct 2018 #83

We often don't agree Goth, but figured I'd chime in in total agreement with you on this one. nt JCanete Oct 2018 #94

No. McConnell did a head count, and knew he couldn't get 60 votes. GoCubsGo Oct 2018 #86

From what I understand, you only needed 60 votes if there was a filibuster Polybius Oct 2018 #90

Strategy....Strategy... LovingA2andMI Oct 2018 #87

But how was Gorsuch uncontroversial? JHan Oct 2018 #88

Don't feed things under bridges. rzemanfl Oct 2018 #102

;) JHan Oct 2018 #106

You're too young to remember party lines, maybe phones with cords too. rzemanfl Oct 2018 #108

"phones with cords"- what is this odd sorcery you speak of? :p JHan Oct 2018 #109

It's an upgrade from tin cans with string. n/t rzemanfl Oct 2018 #110

No sexual assaults and a higher approval rating NT Casprings Oct 2018 #115

I don't see the difference it would have made. JHan Oct 2018 #117

Dems would have been pissed.. which is why it was done Casprings Oct 2018 #118

I get that but political calculus includes the sentiment among the base... JHan Oct 2018 #120

No.. if you used it now there is at least some chance you Casprings Oct 2018 #121

No, a falsehood. We would have lost the filibuster with Kavanaugh, regardless. n/t pnwmom Oct 2018 #92

If there were not people who think election dont matter we would've won standingtall Oct 2018 #95

I wonder what the purpose of such a thread such as this could be right before the midterms still_one Oct 2018 #103

No such thing as . . . peggysue2 Oct 2018 #107

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one Oct 2018 #112

Black people are the base. They did not make that demand. Blue_true Oct 2018 #104