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70. It's such relief to know that it's President Obama's fault!

Reply to EffieBlack (Reply #64)

Sun Oct 7, 2018, 08:05 AM

Oct 2018

And the "base," too.

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If the base didn't demand we use the 60 vote filibuster on Gorsuch, we would have won today... [View all] Casprings Oct 2018 OP

I have to agree on this Amishman Oct 2018 #1

yes... I will take a lot of heat.. but the ABOVE is 100% true Casprings Oct 2018 #3

how do you feel about those self-identified progressives who refused to vote for the DEMOCRATIC still_one Oct 2018 #57

I hope they learned from their mistake Amishman Oct 2018 #62

This was no mistake. It was very clear that the SC was at stake, and in fact that was still_one Oct 2018 #69

It's all of our fault Newland56 Oct 2018 #78

bullshit. This had nothing to do with Hillary or Bernie. Over 90% of Sanders supporters voted for still_one Oct 2018 #96

I respectfully disagree Newland56 Oct 2018 #98

They were NOT Bernie supporters. If you go over to JPR and read the racist, sexist assholes rants still_one Oct 2018 #100

Yes we do Newland56 Oct 2018 #101

A few other points Newland56 Oct 2018 #99

Yes, this is all Democrats' fault mcar Oct 2018 #2

or people can just vote . stop seeing politics as something to entertain you JI7 Oct 2018 #4

Oh bullshit. shanny Oct 2018 #5

Russiapublicans make up the Senate rules as they go along meow2u3 Oct 2018 #13

Exactly. shanny Oct 2018 #14

They need 50 votes to do it.. Casprings Oct 2018 #50

Yep. I'm not playing "what if" with these fuckers at the wheel Drahthaardogs Oct 2018 #17

+1 shanny Oct 2018 #21

Ditto In It to Win It Oct 2018 #35

Agreed Salviati Oct 2018 #27

+1, Some are still fighting tanks with shot guns uponit7771 Oct 2018 #74

Might be true. But the theft of Merrick Garland's seat was still so fresh SuprstitionAintthWay Oct 2018 #6

Schumer did it because he was worried about pissing off the base.. Casprings Oct 2018 #7

I agree that emotion over smart strategy hurts us in many ways. SuprstitionAintthWay Oct 2018 #10

You can have both. The people that you need to vote aren't somehow Casprings Oct 2018 #12

Wot? shanny Oct 2018 #28

Yep. McTurtle would have simply changed the rules for Kav YessirAtsaFact Oct 2018 #29

Yes that is exactly it Bettie Oct 2018 #111

They had less votes now.. Casprings Oct 2018 #119

I still think rockfordfile Oct 2018 #19

How? Gothmog Oct 2018 #84

The only thing Obama could have done... In It to Win It Oct 2018 #91

Not only is that plainly not a "fact", it's an opinion with little experience of Republicans muriel_volestrangler Oct 2018 #8

No... I am suggesting they are better at getting what they want Casprings Oct 2018 #9

I can't see how your OP was about that at all muriel_volestrangler Oct 2018 #11

OP full of non sequiturs grantcart Oct 2018 #97

That's because they don't give a flyin monkey fuck about what it looks like Volaris Oct 2018 #48

This reply doesn't address the question around timing of KGOP actions that was asked. uponit7771 Oct 2018 #75

But if they hadn't in fact believed the only way to confirm Gorsuch SuprstitionAintthWay Oct 2018 #18

Yes, they would have. Because they knew they want to put extremists on the SC muriel_volestrangler Oct 2018 #56

When "we" lost the Senate in 2014 BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #15

+1000 bronxiteforever Oct 2018 #77

I predicted that at the time. Ms. Toad Oct 2018 #16

There are a couple of problems with that analysis, although I do think it has some merit. StevieM Oct 2018 #20

I think you meant "after what they did to Garland" (?) SuprstitionAintthWay Oct 2018 #22

I did. Thanks for the catch. (eom) StevieM Oct 2018 #25

It was poor gamesmanship, Schumer was clearly pressured into taking an action tritsofme Oct 2018 #23

You have to increase your chance is winning. That's the point. Casprings Oct 2018 #52

Um... McConnell is a THUG, working for a thug. ecstatic Oct 2018 #24

I hope that we get someone like that on dem side AlexSFCA Oct 2018 #61

Avenatti? Maybe he should be running for Congress? nt ecstatic Oct 2018 #72

McConnell would have done whatever he had to do to get Kavanaugh. Vinca Oct 2018 #26

This right here is the correct answer JCMach1 Oct 2018 #32

Anyone who thinks otherwise does not understand McConnell. irresistable Oct 2018 #33

Yep, exactly correct DeminPennswoods Oct 2018 #44

And he would need 50 votes... likely 1 more person would have broken Casprings Oct 2018 #53

Why are you confident about that? I doubt it myself. We know how the Republicans roll, they aren't JCanete Oct 2018 #93

A better chance then Gorsuch and strategy is about giving yourself the best chance. Casprings Oct 2018 #114

This message was self-deleted by its author Stargleamer Oct 2018 #105

Oh, it's you....n/t rzemanfl Oct 2018 #30

Laundry is done? dalton99a Oct 2018 #41

It's a constant chore. rzemanfl Oct 2018 #42

You don't really believe that rufus dog Oct 2018 #31

Put it into context... In It to Win It Oct 2018 #34

The central goal of the Republican Party for the last 20 years has been to take control of the Trust Buster Oct 2018 #36

Agreed! In It to Win It Oct 2018 #37

I also think... In It to Win It Oct 2018 #38

Exactly. McConnell would have just changed the rules for Kavanaugh. pnwmom Oct 2018 #46

I would agree. They barely got 50 votes to confirm Kavanaugh. Calista241 Oct 2018 #39

Good point about timing. Going nuclear right as a new term begins is one type of provocation. SuprstitionAintthWay Oct 2018 #47

Oh, bollocks. The moment the Democrats said "we don't like Kavanaugh", McConnell would have muriel_volestrangler Oct 2018 #60

He couldn't have done that. It isn't how it works FBaggins Oct 2018 #113

There was no point in doing it for Gorsuch because the votes were Casprings Oct 2018 #116

They would have done this when they had 51 votes EffieBlack Oct 2018 #68

I call BS. GeorgeGist Oct 2018 #40

Try this- rzemanfl Oct 2018 #43

That was part of it, but it had help from Comey, and also just enough from some self-identified still_one Oct 2018 #59

Not true. The R's could have just gotten rid of the filibuster this time around. n/t pnwmom Oct 2018 #45

Fanta Menace still would have gotten two SCOTUS picks. krispos42 Oct 2018 #49

Couple of years? You mean 30? Casprings Oct 2018 #51

Yep. That fucker does so little work that he'll probably COLGATE4 Oct 2018 #54

Why are you ignoring those so-called self-identified progressives who refused to vote for the still_one Oct 2018 #58

Dammit, that's right. they've been loading it with younger people. krispos42 Oct 2018 #89

Well if thiose so-called self-identified progressives had voted for the DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE, instead still_one Oct 2018 #55

I totally agree Andy823 Oct 2018 #66

You are right Andy, and I sure won't let it happen. We are too close to the midterms, and the still_one Oct 2018 #67

Would Trump then have nominated a moderate compromise candidate? oberliner Oct 2018 #63

Are you serious? EffieBlack Oct 2018 #64

It's such relief to know that it's President Obama's fault! brer cat Oct 2018 #70

Yup EffieBlack Oct 2018 #71

No, that was the right call for the lower courts.. Casprings Oct 2018 #73

Agreed Gothmog Oct 2018 #85

WHY are a bunch of unreliable radicals being called "the base"?!!!! Hortensis Oct 2018 #65

What base? elleng Oct 2018 #76

Dude, why are you blaming Democrats for what the GOP did? McCamy Taylor Oct 2018 #79

yeah, because mcturtle and the trump toadies in the senate are all about respecting norms and rules. unblock Oct 2018 #80

This is outright delusional Azathoth Oct 2018 #81

Bull. They wanted their operative on the court and had the power to just ram him through. JHB Oct 2018 #82

I strongly disagree Gothmog Oct 2018 #83

We often don't agree Goth, but figured I'd chime in in total agreement with you on this one. nt JCanete Oct 2018 #94

No. McConnell did a head count, and knew he couldn't get 60 votes. GoCubsGo Oct 2018 #86

From what I understand, you only needed 60 votes if there was a filibuster Polybius Oct 2018 #90

Strategy....Strategy... LovingA2andMI Oct 2018 #87

But how was Gorsuch uncontroversial? JHan Oct 2018 #88

Don't feed things under bridges. rzemanfl Oct 2018 #102

;) JHan Oct 2018 #106

You're too young to remember party lines, maybe phones with cords too. rzemanfl Oct 2018 #108

"phones with cords"- what is this odd sorcery you speak of? :p JHan Oct 2018 #109

It's an upgrade from tin cans with string. n/t rzemanfl Oct 2018 #110

No sexual assaults and a higher approval rating NT Casprings Oct 2018 #115

I don't see the difference it would have made. JHan Oct 2018 #117

Dems would have been pissed.. which is why it was done Casprings Oct 2018 #118

I get that but political calculus includes the sentiment among the base... JHan Oct 2018 #120

No.. if you used it now there is at least some chance you Casprings Oct 2018 #121

No, a falsehood. We would have lost the filibuster with Kavanaugh, regardless. n/t pnwmom Oct 2018 #92

If there were not people who think election dont matter we would've won standingtall Oct 2018 #95

I wonder what the purpose of such a thread such as this could be right before the midterms still_one Oct 2018 #103

No such thing as . . . peggysue2 Oct 2018 #107

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one Oct 2018 #112

Black people are the base. They did not make that demand. Blue_true Oct 2018 #104