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(56,582 posts) Sun Oct 7, 2018, 09:57 AM Oct 2018

I'm usually the one saying "Save the blue dogs", but Manchin is of no use to us [View all]

He's announced he is open to supporting Trump in 2020.

He's not worth defending. If we have a 51-49 Senate, he will switch parties. Guarantee it. I normally make the "gavel argument", that the caucus vote is worth more than literally every other vote put together. And I still believe that argument. But I don't believe Manchin can be trusted to make that caucus vote when it matters.

Pull support, write it off, and move on.

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I'm usually the one saying "Save the blue dogs", but Manchin is of no use to us [View all] Recursion Oct 2018 OP

Think you are wrong. He would not switch parties. Funtatlaguy Oct 2018 #1

A Republicrat? n/t mitch96 Oct 2018 #18

And if we take the podium from McConnell with him as a Democrat it will be all worthwhile. dem4decades Oct 2018 #2

I sincreley believe that if we take the gavel Recursion Oct 2018 #7

If that were true why would he even run? dem4decades Oct 2018 #10

WRONG!!!!!!!!! Time to move on. We need a big tent and candidates who represent THEIR districts! LBM20 Oct 2018 #3

He has *literally said* he is open to switching parties Recursion Oct 2018 #5

The only alternative is to allow the Republican to win now. yardwork Oct 2018 #11

He is from a RED state. He votes with the Dems 75% of the time. Enough of this SHIT! LBM20 Oct 2018 #16

No. He's the Democratic candidate and we need the numbers. yardwork Oct 2018 #4

I do not believe he will stay a Democrat Recursion Oct 2018 #6

Yep, he will switch parties. Va Lefty Oct 2018 #8

So you're advocating to vote for the Republican now?! yardwork Oct 2018 #9

I'll roll the dice. Drahthaardogs Oct 2018 #20

Then dump him when he actually switches parties. Kaleva Oct 2018 #21

"I do not believe he will stay a Democrat" - I'm sure his opponent will remain a Republican. n/t PoliticAverse Oct 2018 #28

Using energy to go after Manchin is playing checkers. Socal31 Oct 2018 #12

I fully expect a Joe Lieberman-type move on his part. Buns_of_Fire Oct 2018 #13

Shit. Manchin might even go full Trumpanzee and crawl up his ass like Lindsey dalton99a Oct 2018 #14

He isn't saying a damn thing. While detestable that he would consider Trump in the pool of still_one Oct 2018 #15

I have long expected a Nighthorse /Lieberman move from him. Autumn Oct 2018 #17

Well I've suspected the same but remember Lieberman was in a blue state. JHan Oct 2018 #19

He could be waiting for the right time till he's needed. He's open to Autumn Oct 2018 #31

Thing is I don't sense a rift between him and Dems. JHan Oct 2018 #33

Maybe you don't sense it but his statement about Democrats leaves the Autumn Oct 2018 #38

Well his vote on Kav was inconsequential - terrible yes but didn't change anything. JHan Oct 2018 #39

Lieberman didn't switch parties either. He lost the Democratic Primary and then ran and won as an I OhioBlue Oct 2018 #32

thx for that reminder ++ JHan Oct 2018 #34

Why does he stay in our party? phylny Oct 2018 #22

He was their Governor as a Democrat. He's been a lifelong Democrat. It's his party as much as ours. pnwmom Oct 2018 #24

He's saying that one month before his own election and two years out from Trump's. pnwmom Oct 2018 #23

Let's see. A Dem fighting in a very red state who says he *might* switch, or kcr Oct 2018 #25

wrong handmade34 Oct 2018 #26

Agreed Snackshack Oct 2018 #27

Disagree aeromanKC Oct 2018 #29

I have NEVER been one to say "save the blue dogs". denbot Oct 2018 #30

Maybe he'll run as an Independent... SidDithers Oct 2018 #35

his GOP opponent is far worse. pansypoo53219 Oct 2018 #36

This is one of the dumbest arguments I've read yet peggysue2 Oct 2018 #37