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270. She may not understand what Sarandon was doing.

She may think that Sarandon was just expressing an innocent, and maybe naive, opinion. But that's not what she was doing at all. She was pushing a movement she identifies with, like Nader was. She was fine with the country going with Trump, for people to lose health care, Social Security, food programs for children, for the whole world's environment and climate to suffer...as long as her movement benefited from it ultimately. When a listener realizes that, it changes the meaning of what she was doing. But a listener would have to know about her movement and realize what the movement is about.

I agree with the OP's criticism of Hillary, though. No politician is perfect. She has enough skills and is likable enough, though. People who can't accept any criticism of their candidate is entering a territory that is scary.

I remember when at one debate Obama turned in a terrible performance. It really was, which was the only time he wasn't great in a debate. There was a skit on SNL about it. I posted the video of that skit, and one poster got over the top upset about it. He just couldn't accept that anyone would even think, much less write, that Obama was imperfect at a debate. But the skit was really funny, if you had seen the debate. Everyone was talking about his performance at the debate, so why ignore reality? Obama himself even joked about it later. He had a great sense of humor. I miss that.