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In reply to the discussion: Paul Ryan Acted Immediately After 2008 Bush WH Meeting on Impending Economic Meltdown [View all]cleduc
(653 posts)76. I'm not trolling. I'm just trying to be objective and asking opinion if i'm out of line
From the TPM blog:
http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/paul-ryan-insider-trading-rumor-quickly-debunked.php?ref=fpnewsfeed
The Romney campaign said Ryan had nothing to do with the trades in the first place. They were part of a Russell 1000 index fund that automatically traded stocks as part of a pre-set formula. Ryans disclosure forms include several similar trade patterns at various points throughout the year.
In a statement provided to TPM through the Romney campaign, Larry Gaffney, the independent accountant for the partnership who handled the trades in question, said the stocks were out of Ryans control.
Trades are done automatically based on an algorithm on a regular basis, said Gaffney, who works as a CPA in Ryans hometown of Janesville, Wis. In addition, this index was held at the time within a partnership in which Rep. Ryan had and continues to have no trading authority.
Peter Schweizer, the conservative Hoover Institution fellow whose investigation of insider trading by members of Congress prompted the STOCK Act, said Ryans trades bore no resemblance to those by lawmakers like Rep. Spencer Bachus (R-AL), who shorted finance stocks after high-level meetings.
never like the idea of congressmen trading during times when they are dealing with major policy issues, but [its] not like Bachus where the timing is suspect, he said in an e-mail.
Melanie Sloan of CREW concurred.
You cant be trading on insider information if the market is already closed, Sloan told TPM.
Regarding the 7pm meeting after trading close:
The previous day:
The Candidates on the A.I.G. Bailout
September 17, 2008, 12:15 PM
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/17/the-candidates-on-the-aig-bailout/
"The markets indeed are not responding in a positive way so far to the news of the bailout"
Sep 17, 2008 2:03pm
Senate Majority Leader on Economic Woes: No One Knows What to Do
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2008/09/senate-majority/
After the 7pm meeting on Sep 18, 2008, Reid mentioned that they had had a few 'unusual' meetings lately.
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/281223-1
So it gets murky for me. Certainly, there was plenty in the media that was troubling about the financial crisis the day before the Ryan trades got made. And as Reid pointed out, there were 'unusual' meetings before the one at 7pm on Sep 18th, 2008.
There's enough there for reasonable doubt at the very least for me - unless someone can point out where I'm misjudging.
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Paul Ryan Acted Immediately After 2008 Bush WH Meeting on Impending Economic Meltdown [View all]
bigtree
Aug 2012
OP
Doesn't matter. The sales occurred on the same day that he was talking with other Republicans
pnwmom
Aug 2012
#67
The time of that particular meeting doesn't let Paul Ryan off the hook, and here's why:
pnwmom
Aug 2012
#68
+1,000,000,000 x 1,000,000,000 - This needs to be front and center of
coalition_unwilling
Aug 2012
#4
This is so important that I have indulged in two responses to your OP. Folks on
coalition_unwilling
Aug 2012
#5
See below. They argue that insider trading is just as illegal for members of Congress.
Chiyo-chichi
Aug 2012
#24
Well, Mr. 8-post person. I see you're on hot on the debunking trail. This
coalition_unwilling
Aug 2012
#69
Someone who was at the meeting and did NOT engage in insider trading needs to call him on this. n/t
pnwmom
Aug 2012
#6
Maybe he was trading all year based on heads-up he was getting. We don't know. nt
pnwmom
Aug 2012
#12
Well he should have had a better source then, as he lost money on practically every trade.
cbdo2007
Aug 2012
#13
He didn't necessarily lose it over the short term, did he? He might have made trades that appeared
pnwmom
Aug 2012
#16
It is definitely damaging when he's talking about privatizing social security....
cbdo2007
Aug 2012
#38
I think you're probably right. This is all just too...too convenient. I wouldn't
snappyturtle
Aug 2012
#59
Too convenient? Just ask Martha Stewart. People go to jail for this type of coincidence all of the
grantcart
Aug 2012
#61
Awww, Ryan gets all misty-eyed when he thinks about how much money he saved with insider info <nt>
Ian_rd
Aug 2012
#25
This story won't go away anytime soon -- this is a form of insider trading.
Major Hogwash
Aug 2012
#32
THIS HAS TRACTION! A) Ryan trades on insider information, and B) CANTOR guts the insider trading
TrollBuster9090
Aug 2012
#44
He's not off the hook. That particular meeting hadn't occurred yet, but he'd been hearing
pnwmom
Aug 2012
#72
You can bet those in congress who'd profitted at the insider trader trough for 16 years -
sad sally
Aug 2012
#74