General Discussion

Gothmog

(180,551 posts)

149. I do not believe in magic and so I never took sanders seriously

Wed Oct 10, 2018, 11:32 PM

Oct 2018

sanders is still hoping for his magical voter revolution where millions or billions or trillions of new voters will magically appear to help him get the nomination and force the GOP to adopt his policies. I do not believe in magic but you can continue to hope for this magical voter revolution to appear. Magic does not work in the real world. Where were these magical voters in 2016? When will these magical voters appear?

If sanders runs in 2020, he will get far less support than in 2016. sanders will not be treated with kid gloves and a number of the potential candidates will be far superior choices compared to sanders. After 2016, there are a large number (more than some) of hard core democratic voters and activist who have long memories and who will not forgive or forget sanders' role in trumps victory. sanders will see the writing on the wall and not run in 2020 if he is smart.

Keep believing in magic. I believe in hard work. We have six different congressional candidates in Texas who each raised more than $1 million. That has never happened in Texas. Things are changing but change will not be due to magic but due to hard work

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

412 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

South Carolina Democrats: Better if Sanders 'got lost' (don't shoot the messanger, AP story) [View all] Tavarious Jackson Oct 2018 OP

He could wait a month or so. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #1

Here he comes! Just in time to divide our party before the midterms Maven Oct 2018 #2

It's his M.O Tavarious Jackson Oct 2018 #4

..right, like the response itself wasn't the divisive part. If you think that what it is that is JCanete Oct 2018 #12

"Cross-over appeal"? George II Oct 2018 #14

whatever it is people think and are talkiing about here that needs to pull moderates to vote for JCanete Oct 2018 #19

You mean because no Democrats talk about those things? Squinch Oct 2018 #94

What does appealing to Trump voters/republicans mean to you? What is it that should be avoided? JCanete Oct 2018 #98

No you're not. I know this because this conversation has been Squinch Oct 2018 #108

Yes, we've disagreed about what unicorns look like versus horses...and now we as a party have mostly JCanete Oct 2018 #113

Kay. You chat about unicorns and horses. I will say again: Squinch Oct 2018 #119

Then stop disagreeing with sound policy direction. Solved. nt JCanete Oct 2018 #123

That's nice dear. Now lets stop talking about BS so Squinch Oct 2018 #127

again, no we aren't going to stop talking about BS because he keeps being brought up JCanete Oct 2018 #131

yup JHan Oct 2018 #179

Whaaaa? sheshe2 Oct 2018 #175

wow, you totally missed that one. People were calling unicorns what were possible and practical JCanete Oct 2018 #177

I did not miss a thing.eom sheshe2 Oct 2018 #182

then what were you doing? nt JCanete Oct 2018 #184

What are YOU doing? eom sheshe2 Oct 2018 #189

I was making a point, you were talking about unicorns existing, even though, according to you, JCanete Oct 2018 #191

I have a feeling that Pelosi.... WeekiWater Oct 2018 #270

Well your feeling, if you are including me in that category would be wrong. Look at my own posting JCanete Oct 2018 #338

Assumptions are extremely common on discussion boards. WeekiWater Oct 2018 #339

Fair point actually, but in my case you were wrong with this one, and the bigger assumption here, JCanete Oct 2018 #347

Most democrats live in the real world where magic does not work Gothmog Oct 2018 #368

Post removed Post removed Oct 2018 #367

It's Republicans who don't want higher minimum wage, education, infrastructure, healthcare, etc. betsuni Oct 2018 #103

I'm trying to understand what it is we don't want to talk about so that we can appeal to middle of JCanete Oct 2018 #107

I don't understand your question about what would appeal to Trump voters/Republicans, betsuni Oct 2018 #126

literally from the exerpt posted in the OP: JCanete Oct 2018 #128

I take from that the all or nothing approach makes moderate voters skittish. betsuni Oct 2018 #140

I'm a far lefty Maven Oct 2018 #38

A large number of democrats have long memories Gothmog Oct 2018 #40

Same. nt Maven Oct 2018 #45

What? There was a primary? Establishment Dems skewed the electoral college? DemocracyMouse Oct 2018 #57

Don't divide the party you say? MrsCoffee Oct 2018 #205

If Bernie were to show up, Democrats in South Carolina could lose all their power in that state Uncle Joe Oct 2018 #211

I've asked others who have refused to answer. How would him showing up do any of that? JCanete Oct 2018 #385

Sorry I was using irony, I can't remember the last time Uncle Joe Oct 2018 #388

hehe...no, that's not on you. I should have caught it. nt JCanete Oct 2018 #389

Instead of wasting the time of voters in South Carolina talking about his magical Gothmog Oct 2018 #390

Sanders most valuable asset right now is that people nationally are listening to him. Creating JCanete Oct 2018 #391

That is so cute and adorable Gothmog Oct 2018 #392

Could that be why he's the only Congressional legislator (House AND Senate) who has voted against... George II Oct 2018 #395

Putin must be happy with these votes but putin was helping sanders to help trump Gothmog Oct 2018 #399

Voting for and financially supporting candidates who will challenge big corporate control is a good JCanete Oct 2018 #397

So you have no plan that is viable in the real world Gothmog Oct 2018 #402

I literally told you how Tapper's own bullshit in the interview with Ocasio-Cortez was JCanete Oct 2018 #404

From the Mueller indictment of Russia agents Gothmog Oct 2018 #394

Hmmm..... George II Oct 2018 #396

They weren't trying to get Sanders to win. They were trying to hurt Clinton. That should be obvious, JCanete Oct 2018 #398

These efforts kept sanders in the primary far after he was mathematically eliminated Gothmog Oct 2018 #400

Are you serious? EffieBlack Oct 2018 #401

what exactly did you give me to go on with this post? Why even bother Effie? JCanete Oct 2018 #412

"Let people campaign." Yes, you're correct, they should campaign. But unfortunately .... George II Oct 2018 #244

Why would somebody who is neither running in SC lapucelle Oct 2018 #301

from my perspective? yeah. I kind of think you have to vocally advocate for things in order for them JCanete Oct 2018 #49

But if the local candidates don't want him there, why force it? brush Oct 2018 #64

They don't want him in South Carolina? First of I could give a rats ass. JCanete Oct 2018 #71

Are you not getting that the Dem candidates say he hurts their chances... brush Oct 2018 #129

I know that there is a mainstream block of democrats who simply do not like Sanders JCanete Oct 2018 #135

Ok, I'll spell it out since you're acting a little dense. THE DEM... brush Oct 2018 #145

Yes, and everythign I said applies. I don't see any actual evidence that this hurts them, JCanete Oct 2018 #146

You're not there on the ground so whether you trust the Dems there or not.. brush Oct 2018 #164

No I do not see what you mean. So a republican is linking a candidate who has linked himself to JCanete Oct 2018 #170

Ridiculous. Sanders' playbook of division. He'll regret going there univited. brush Oct 2018 #171

I'll repeat what I added into the last post: JCanete Oct 2018 #173

If you selfishly and foolishly disregard Democrats who you'll need support... brush Oct 2018 #176

no, you are simply privileging the perspective of particular democrats who share your world JCanete Oct 2018 #178

You don't get it. Democrats should work together to get Democrats elected. brush Oct 2018 #180

That sounds like working together to you? I don't get it, and listening to the bombastic rhetoric, JCanete Oct 2018 #183

It's call working to help Democrats but since he's not a Democrat... brush Oct 2018 #185

Great post Gothmog Oct 2018 #238

He's going to the state less than three weeks before the election and yet he's not campaigning... George II Oct 2018 #243

It's not that simple. The repug governor is already using the proposed trip... brush Oct 2018 #245

It's curious that he hasn't endorsed the Democratic Governor candidate or... George II Oct 2018 #247

This is why Bernie got his ass handed to him in SC - and will again if he tries to run in 2020 EffieBlack Oct 2018 #268

Sanders did very poorly in the south Gothmog Oct 2018 #365

Are there any Democrats or Progressives that do well in the South? Autumn Oct 2018 #372

You mean candidates who believe in magical voter revolutions? Gothmog Oct 2018 #373

No. I was very clear in the question I asked. You are ignoring it to meander somewhere else Autumn Oct 2018 #375

I answered your silly question Gothmog Oct 2018 #376

No you didn't answer my "silly question. You wandered off into Autumn Oct 2018 #379

I am sorry that you did not understand or like my answer Gothmog Oct 2018 #381

The last time that I checked the governor of Louisiana is a Democrat. TexasTowelie Oct 2018 #403

I remember asking in 2016 - repeatedly - why didn't Bernie harness his *revolution" EffieBlack Oct 2018 #374

You will not hear anything because magic does not work in the real world Gothmog Oct 2018 #377

Excellent question. With such power at hand, why wasn't it used for a greater purpose? NurseJackie Oct 2018 #410

You really just said this. sheshe2 Oct 2018 #181

Yup mercuryblues Oct 2018 #359

I know what mean, mercuryblues. sheshe2 Oct 2018 #378

I have no idea what you're talking about, how Bernie is doing any harm by energizing those who JCanete Oct 2018 #386

Not at all. I don't care what a few politicians who clearly seem to disdain sanders, JCanete Oct 2018 #384

Yeah they really hated him in 2016 Autumn Oct 2018 #366

How did that work out a few days later? George II Oct 2018 #370

Kind of the same way it worked out in Nov. Autumn Oct 2018 #371

Not even close to "the same way". George II Oct 2018 #382

A Republican won S Carolina so I'm going to stick with it ended the same. Our Autumn Oct 2018 #383

I'm into doers, not big talkers. nt Maven Oct 2018 #155

that doesn't make sense to me. The " doers,"(those I assume you are associating with the term) JCanete Oct 2018 #159

What are sanders' legislative accomplishments? Gothmog Oct 2018 #237

I've had this conversation many times. Do you count things like No child left behind as legislative JCanete Oct 2018 #260

LOL-thank you for the laughs Gothmog Oct 2018 #263

I wasn't calling his opposition a legislative accomplishment silly...I was asking if NCLB's passing JCanete Oct 2018 #265

The media can ignore sanders because sander has not accomplished anything Gothmog Oct 2018 #277

Thank you, Gothmog, for sticking with the real world. When someone's claim R B Garr Oct 2018 #278

I am amused that sanders supporters are mad that the media does not cover him Gothmog Oct 2018 #281

Yup, he might not be able to get by with avoiding answering even basic R B Garr Oct 2018 #299

Here are a very familiar person's words on the NYT, as recently as a couple weeks ago.... JCanete Oct 2018 #294

You have yet to point to even one accomplishment by sanders Gothmog Oct 2018 #295

First, I'm less concerned about Sanders specifically, though my point still stands, JCanete Oct 2018 #296

So you are admitting that sanders has no accomplishments in the real world Gothmog Oct 2018 #311

Okay Goth....good talk. I'll just say thanks for some of what you do. nt JCanete Oct 2018 #313

My twitter feed is full with a ton of oppo on sanders Gothmog Oct 2018 #316

If its anythign I haven't already heard I'd be surprised, and I dont' find most of it that JCanete Oct 2018 #317

Given that you believe in magic and that sanders has magical powers, I have no doubt that you will Gothmog Oct 2018 #326

I live in the real world and I am curious as to what you propose to do to fix corporate media Gothmog Oct 2018 #345

Many consider the Brady Bill to be a legislative accomplishment. lapucelle Oct 2018 #304

But who voted against it? Who voted against banning guns from Amtrak? And while we're at it.... George II Oct 2018 #308

The russia sanctions bill I understand. YOu're talking about the same one Kerry opposed right? JCanete Oct 2018 #337

We're discussing those who were in a position to vote for or against it, and those who voted "nay". George II Oct 2018 #350

Well, for one my point wasn't simply that "well Kerry didn't like it either." My point was JCanete Oct 2018 #354

"Magnitsky Act (which passed 92-4)" melman Oct 2018 #340

Nope, not an oversight at all, they're not under discussion here. So.... George II Oct 2018 #349

Well it's just that melman Oct 2018 #353

There were no "insinuations", at least not by me.... George II Oct 2018 #362

Yet another bill that sanders opposed Gothmog Oct 2018 #312

+1, and Tad Devine.....nt R B Garr Oct 2018 #343

Then why not "vocally advocate" in Vermont to get all the "issues" he R B Garr Oct 2018 #248

They were already in the platform, they were just changed slightly. George II Oct 2018 #249

yes to positions that have literally been called unicorns because of that slight difference. nt JCanete Oct 2018 #256

You're not alone NastyRiffraff Oct 2018 #335

Bingo! LiberalLovinLug Oct 2018 #48

Oh, how so? betsuni Oct 2018 #320

Bingo? "Orwellian here"?. Orwellian is Big Brother Cha Oct 2018 #361

Nah.. we're not going to hide to truth just because Cha Oct 2018 #360

hmmm...I thought Maven was wrong but then you chimed in adding your voice in support, JCanete Oct 2018 #364

For some, it's more about their "movement" than the Democratic Party. Honeycombe8 Oct 2018 #47

Post removed Post removed Oct 2018 #70

I belong to the Democratic Party, which is what this site is about. Honeycombe8 Oct 2018 #75

Would you prefer he ran as a third-party candidate? shanny Oct 2018 #112

Wouldn't work well for him. MrsCoffee Oct 2018 #206

I beg to differ. shanny Oct 2018 #212

That's what a few people keep saying. MrsCoffee Oct 2018 #246

lol shanny Oct 2018 #252

I used to be puzzled by that incongruity, too. stranger81 Oct 2018 #259

Bingo. Reagan Democrats. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2018 #314

LOL Reagan Democrats. betsuni Oct 2018 #319

LOL, "Reagan Democrats" has a specific definition and demographic. R B Garr Oct 2018 #329

I can't relate to it at all, it's strange to read it. JHan Oct 2018 #405

Third Way/neoliberal/triangulation/Reagan Democrat are both-sides-same insults. betsuni Oct 2018 #406

Great post, JHan. To attempt to use it as a generic insult R B Garr Oct 2018 #411

Has Vermont adopted single payer yet? Gothmog Oct 2018 #330

Vermont doesn't have $15 per hour wage. They don't have single payer R B Garr Oct 2018 #328

Funny you bring that up. stranger81 Oct 2018 #331

It's just an excuse to limit Sanders' influence to the narrow constraints of R B Garr Oct 2018 #332

Vermont also does not have single payer Gothmog Oct 2018 #387

I saw the article cited in the OP and liked it Gothmog Oct 2018 #3

The irony is... Docreed2003 Oct 2018 #6

I remember the Texas primary Gothmog Oct 2018 #41

Well How About Florida Me. Oct 2018 #101

I remember that also Gothmog Oct 2018 #116

I agree.... chillfactor Oct 2018 #5

It seems likely he'll be around until he just gets too old. Hortensis Oct 2018 #7

He Has A Lot Of Nerve Me. Oct 2018 #15

Funny, but that he sort of hippied around trying out Hortensis Oct 2018 #30

... Me. Oct 2018 #33

He made a lot of money from the Presidential run. Honeycombe8 Oct 2018 #50

Except We Never Actually Saw His Info Me. Oct 2018 #96

Sanders will have to release this info if runs in 2020 Gothmog Oct 2018 #134

Didn't get a job until he was 40? progressoid Oct 2018 #200

That is pretty well known. Blue_true Oct 2018 #254

From wikipedia (which I didn't write or edit, to head off the obvious): George II Oct 2018 #352

His efforts were failure after failure. Blue_true Oct 2018 #369

Or............. George II Oct 2018 #16

"Or...." indeed. :) Hortensis Oct 2018 #35

... lapucelle Oct 2018 #305

I agree with the OP! Cha Oct 2018 #8

... Me. Oct 2018 #17

As the article says mercuryblues Oct 2018 #9

according to what? Where is the evidence that his appearnce does that? Serious question. JCanete Oct 2018 #13

Is there any evidence that Democrats vote for him in decent numbers? George II Oct 2018 #22

How does that relate to my question? And we know how much people voted for him in the primary. JCanete Oct 2018 #23

We know that Democrats in large numbers do not vote for him, it's been proven..... George II Oct 2018 #27

He engerizes some voters other candidates don't. He has certainly helped to make 3rd rail positions JCanete Oct 2018 #28

Growing up in NYC and taking the subway to both High School and College.... George II Oct 2018 #29

The problem is pretending things are third rails when they aren't and shouldn't be. Turns out if JCanete Oct 2018 #32

Sorry, I have NO idea of what you're talking about, nor do I have any idea of what the second half.. George II Oct 2018 #34

neither of us probably knows what the other is talking about. I'm clearly missing your point, JCanete Oct 2018 #55

Hmm. sheshe2 Oct 2018 #90

Some is not just a few. Some is some. A few is a few. Look up some. nt JCanete Oct 2018 #92

some sheshe2 Oct 2018 #106

at least a small amount. So did this somehow corroborate your statement that this means few? JCanete Oct 2018 #110

small seems few to me. sheshe2 Oct 2018 #117

okay, yet it wasn't what I meant, nor what the word means so...I guess read it how you will? JCanete Oct 2018 #122

Had you said something like that you'd be told you were "parsing words"! George II Oct 2018 #232

;) sheshe2 Oct 2018 #257

Some doesn't cut it in elections. You need MOST to win. Not rocket science. brush Oct 2018 #271

nor is it rocket science to understand that I said there are some voters Sanders energizes JCanete Oct 2018 #290

I was wondering the same thing Gothmog Oct 2018 #139

;) sheshe2 Oct 2018 #143

There are a large number (more than some) democrats with long memories Gothmog Oct 2018 #150

Yep. sheshe2 Oct 2018 #167

And sanders pisses off far more voters who reliable members of the base Gothmog Oct 2018 #114

according to who? Show me evidence of that? That wouldn't gel with his actual popularity amongst JCanete Oct 2018 #115

I saw the election results in the 2016 super tuesday primaries Gothmog Oct 2018 #133

oh I see, totally separate tangent. Thanks for your contribution. nt JCanete Oct 2018 #136

You are welcomed Gothmog Oct 2018 #141

I do not believe in magic and so I never took sanders seriously Gothmog Oct 2018 #149

You can only raise money from big money interests if your own agenda does not belie theirs. JCanete Oct 2018 #188

Does Beto and other candidates know this? Gothmog Oct 2018 #231

That "backed primarily by small donations" is a misnomer, it's not what happened. You should pore.. George II Oct 2018 #240

You'll have to point me to the specific data you're referring to...from his FEC filings JCanete Oct 2018 #264

I'm talking about the 2018 Senate general election in Vermont... George II Oct 2018 #267

oh fuck, come on. so I just talked about the primaries, so I was hardly trying to trick you into JCanete Oct 2018 #269

On the DU Bernie raised $77,149.00 from 2,108 donations Omaha Steve Oct 2018 #272

the exact opposite is true mercuryblues Oct 2018 #186

Apparently, according to the article in the OP, he is turning off Democrats as well. George II Oct 2018 #230

NOW, I'm weary of this. He never really deeply bothered me with, sprinkleeninow Oct 2018 #148

Bad timing with the devastating hurricane and it's aftermath... sheshe2 Oct 2018 #10

maybe, but its not like that isn't about the 1%. The tie-in is pretty fucking easy. JCanete Oct 2018 #20

It is not the TIME. sheshe2 Oct 2018 #24

wasn't invited by whom? JCanete Oct 2018 #25

He is holding a campaign event for Our Revolution. sheshe2 Oct 2018 #36

He's doing something with Our Revolution, which did invite him to speak. So what on earth JCanete Oct 2018 #52

Oh. sheshe2 Oct 2018 #56

To South Carolina? The Our Revolution chapter in South Carolina? Do they need to be JCanete Oct 2018 #58

Normally this deep into a General Election campaign a candidate spends most of his/her time.... George II Oct 2018 #79

Your point is not one I agree with, though you've made it frequently enough. Sanders has JCanete Oct 2018 #142

No seat is "locked up" - I direct you to Hillary Clinton's seat in 2016, and most recently.... George II Oct 2018 #147

except that your argument still balances on the precarious assumption that what he is JCanete Oct 2018 #160

And once again you respond to me, but drift and don't really respond. Why? George II Oct 2018 #168

Sanders tends to actively support candidates who are concerned JCanete Oct 2018 #169

"Concerned with money in politics"? Currently his re-election treasury.... George II Oct 2018 #241

I don't know what he's going to do with that money, but where did it come from? JCanete Oct 2018 #261

We don't know where it came from - 76% of the $9.8 million he's collected is "unitemized".... George II Oct 2018 #266

Hmmm sheshe2 Oct 2018 #187

and what is his stance on prisons, particularly private ones, but incarceration in general? JCanete Oct 2018 #190

You are a hoot. sheshe2 Oct 2018 #194

What do you mean he has no voice? He uses his voice and vote power to advocate for federal JCanete Oct 2018 #195

... lapucelle Oct 2018 #309

It is a major problem. It isn't on Sanders that the State incarcerates at the level it does, JCanete Oct 2018 #310

Marginalized constituents in VT are better served by BS using his bully pulpit lapucelle Oct 2018 #318

Perhaps BS could call upon those who voted in favor of the Crime Bill lapucelle Oct 2018 #321

+1 betsuni Oct 2018 #323

Our Revolution has endorsed only one Congressional candidate and two State Rep candidates.... George II Oct 2018 #130

Hallquist seems to be happy with Bernie's endorsement and outreach Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2018 #250

I wonder how she feels about him not campaigning for her in HIS home state? George II Oct 2018 #251

Ah, the ol' double negative two-step. Let's turn that around and be more direct..... George II Oct 2018 #37

So the same could be said of anybody who goes anywhere, which makes it a worthless comment. JCanete Oct 2018 #59

Worthless comment? Thanks for your respect! George II Oct 2018 #81

To say he wasn't invited means very little if it is going to be broadened out to the level that you JCanete Oct 2018 #89

Once again, I have no idea of what that all means. I'll leave it at that except..... George II Oct 2018 #93

how so? The point was made that he wasn't invited, whiich is, to my mind pretty silly. You decided JCanete Oct 2018 #102

"Worthless comment"? That's rude and insulting. Cha Oct 2018 #84

So are a lot of things here. I'll try to do better Cha. Thankfully you are never rude and insulting. JCanete Oct 2018 #91

snark? sheshe2 Oct 2018 #99

Your comment was rude and insulting right now. Cha Oct 2018 #100

heh...okay, thanks for letting me know. Feel free to let me know if this one was. nt JCanete Oct 2018 #104

Presumptious Of Him Me. Oct 2018 #11

Considering how poorly he did in the South, I'm wondering who invited him, and what's changed? Tarheel_Dem Oct 2018 #18

It's just visibility for a 2020 run, but boy is he in a bubble. I'm hoping he starts to see that seaglass Oct 2018 #21

They are going to be hit by the aftermath of Michael. sheshe2 Oct 2018 #26

The story strikes me as potentially exciting for some people. David__77 Oct 2018 #31

Flame me if you want zeusdogmom Oct 2018 #39

Or... sheshe2 Oct 2018 #43

Both. Cha Oct 2018 #51

Great post Gothmog Oct 2018 #111

Another "both" here. He goes where the cameras are Hortensis Oct 2018 #380

How about "both" and then some? George II Oct 2018 #393

:) Seriously, when behavior and rhetoric diverge, believe behavior. Hortensis Oct 2018 #407

Rec. nt LexVegas Oct 2018 #42

From AP, or maybe Moscow nt elmac Oct 2018 #44

Moscow? Are you trying to say it's "fake news" like so many are pushing now? Cha Oct 2018 #62

You are calling the Associated Press "fake news." betsuni Oct 2018 #68

The AP is not Moscow. Raine1967 Oct 2018 #72

Say what? sheshe2 Oct 2018 #152

Bernie Go To South Carolina And Kick Some Ass PaulX2 Oct 2018 #46

South Carolina Dems need votes from moderates. It's not NY. Honeycombe8 Oct 2018 #54

You "deal with it". Cha Oct 2018 #66

Me thinks they doest protest too much LiberalLovinLug Oct 2018 #53

Exactly PaulX2 Oct 2018 #61

The "frightened cabal at the top worried about their large corporate donators" are Republicans. betsuni Oct 2018 #65

Thank You for pointing it out to that poster, betsuni. Cha Oct 2018 #69

Who doesn't know that? betsuni Oct 2018 #73

We know them by their disingenuous Cha Oct 2018 #78

You actually believe that it is that cut and dry? LiberalLovinLug Oct 2018 #77

The "both parties are the same" thing is old and tired. Let it go to bed. betsuni Oct 2018 #83

Not once have I ever said both parties are the same LiberalLovinLug Oct 2018 #85

What you're pushing are the usual tiresome boilerplate memes. JHan Oct 2018 #87

Please give me a couple of examples of Democrats receiving large corporate donations and changing betsuni Oct 2018 #88

Post removed Post removed Oct 2018 #132

Well, I guess not. Obviously Republicans are the corporate party. betsuni Oct 2018 #325

Yes, republicons are the corporate party and anyone Cha Oct 2018 #358

Bernie is now a multimillionaire. sheshe2 Oct 2018 #163

4 homes? progressoid Oct 2018 #201

I keep hearing that Bill & Hillary are rich corporatists controlled by Goldman Sachs betsuni Oct 2018 #202

I just won Hillary Clinton Whataboutism! obamanut2012 Oct 2018 #207

BINGO! betsuni Oct 2018 #208

Not "Yeahbutism"? George II Oct 2018 #307

Who cares about "how many homes and how much money Bill and Hillary have"? George II Oct 2018 #306

These sound like republican talking points... disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #216

How so? Republicans love capitalism. betsuni Oct 2018 #218

They are also hypocrites.. disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #221

Who are "they"? Republicans or Democrats? betsuni Oct 2018 #223

If I was responding this... disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #225

Wut? "If I was responding this" betsuni Oct 2018 #226

Now your just wasting time... disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #227

"You're" not "your" betsuni Oct 2018 #228

Easy to tell.. disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #233

LOL betsuni Oct 2018 #235

It's about hypocrisy. Like when a politician labels others with derogatory accusations R B Garr Oct 2018 #297

Shhhh... disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #214

"Truth shall not be spoken here." betsuni Oct 2018 #217

Nah.. not everybody thinks BS is all that. Cha Oct 2018 #67

I think the Democrats in any state know what works best in their state. nt Honeycombe8 Oct 2018 #76

Cute memes you're pushing there, hits all the usual notes: JHan Oct 2018 #86

Okay how about LiberalLovinLug Oct 2018 #109

How about this: do you live in South Carolina? JHan Oct 2018 #121

I know that Bernie was twice as popular as Hillary LiberalLovinLug Oct 2018 #137

Polls do not win Primaries. JHan Oct 2018 #151

sanders lost south Carolina JI7 Oct 2018 #153

BULL.. sorry, you have absolutely no idea of what really happened. Cha Oct 2018 #162

By what measure? ehrnst Oct 2018 #219

Not in the real world Gothmog Oct 2018 #229

No he wasn't. Cha Oct 2018 #355

I do not believe in magic and so I never took sanders seriously Gothmog Oct 2018 #234

It's almost like we're playing bingo! Jamaal510 Oct 2018 #154

right! Haha! JHan Oct 2018 #156

BINGO! Cha Oct 2018 #166

maybe one day we won't have to talk about it all the time because people pretending it isn't a JCanete Oct 2018 #196

do you live in South Carolina? JHan Oct 2018 #197

Strawman. BINGO! (nt) ehrnst Oct 2018 #220

Bingo. shanny Oct 2018 #124

I saw Bernie in Charleston in 2016 and lots of people were happy to see him. aikoaiko Oct 2018 #60

Hillary won the Democratic Party primary there w/over 73%. Sanders came in at 26%. Honeycombe8 Oct 2018 #80

But not just Democrats vote. LiberalLovinLug Oct 2018 #95

This is SOUTH CAROLINA, not Pennsylvania or another swing state. pnwmom Oct 2018 #199

"Sanders is much more popular than any Democrat."? George II Oct 2018 #258

LOL! betsuni Oct 2018 #322

I understand what happened in the primary. aikoaiko Oct 2018 #97

And we lost the state by 14 pints in the GE. So... Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2018 #157

May I ask why do you have that GIF of a little girl being tossed to a lake to drown? lunamagica Oct 2018 #193

In the movie scene, this is the dialogue: George II Oct 2018 #327

I know...I've seen it and it's horrific. I just can't think how that violence against a child lunamagica Oct 2018 #333

The issue has been raised several times. As you point out, no reply. George II Oct 2018 #334

That "triggered" one is about as low class as you can get. R B Garr Oct 2018 #336

I don't get that "triggered one" What does it mean? lunamagica Oct 2018 #344

Mostly trolling, as that's the overall theme of all of them. nt R B Garr Oct 2018 #346

Yes, you are correct George and must correct what I said. Violence against ANYONE lunamagica Oct 2018 #342

Every four years, every state in the Union holds a primary or caucus, even the reddest of the red. George II Oct 2018 #286

Used to love him but now his selfishness just pisses me off. He doesn't care if he sinks the Dem. kerry-is-my-prez Oct 2018 #63

The one senator that has not changed. LiberalLovinLug Oct 2018 #82

He has changed. He became a multi-millionaire in the last two years. He now owns four homes lunamagica Oct 2018 #192

That's not necessarily something to be proud of. Cha Oct 2018 #357

Sounds like they are planning to blame Bernie if she loses. n/t JoeOtterbein Oct 2018 #74

How so? George II Oct 2018 #125

Better if Sanders 'got lost' Botany Oct 2018 #105

It's interesting that he's campaigning for relatively minor candidates in South Carolina and yet.... George II Oct 2018 #118

That is his style. Blue_true Oct 2018 #255

iirc South Carolina has not voted Democratic since Jimmy Carter shanny Oct 2018 #120

It's a close race...so What do you mean? Tavarious Jackson Oct 2018 #138

they have other elections besides PResidential Races. JI7 Oct 2018 #172

No kidding? shanny Oct 2018 #198

I'm not sure his visit will hurt. WeekiWater Oct 2018 #144

Well, I don't think the SC Dems in the article Cha Oct 2018 #158

They didn't only strongly distance themselves... WeekiWater Oct 2018 #161

.. Cha Oct 2018 #165

no need to take it personally. OBama and Beto are both keeping distance from each other JI7 Oct 2018 #174

I supported him in the primary... don't see anyone better now dembotoz Oct 2018 #203

"if he won the primary" LexVegas Oct 2018 #209

He won my state wasn't even that close dembotoz Oct 2018 #215

He lost overall....and it wasn't even close. nt LexVegas Oct 2018 #222

We are not supposed to talk about such things dembotoz Oct 2018 #293

I voted for Sanders in the 16 primary. Trumpocalypse Oct 2018 #210

I doubt it.. disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #224

No it's not. NurseJackie Oct 2018 #236

Is there a movie, "Hate Actually"? betsuni Oct 2018 #239

It's not about hate. It's about trust. MrsCoffee Oct 2018 #253

It's curious that many times that he's criticized it is because of "hatred", not policy differences. George II Oct 2018 #274

Point them out... disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #280

No response melman Oct 2018 #303

Yeah, they don't wanna go.. disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #324

It was one of those "you prove to me" a negative, which is way too open-ended..... George II Oct 2018 #348

In this case, the article states that his focus on himself is the problem. R B Garr Oct 2018 #275

Actually, he was invited.. disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #279

Not by a candidate, which is the measure of "winning" -- when you win an election. R B Garr Oct 2018 #282

He was "invited" by Our Revolution, an organization that he created in August 2016. George II Oct 2018 #285

Exactly. His own organization is inviting him, lol. No Democratic candidates did. R B Garr Oct 2018 #298

Yet I got an email from him this afternoon, along with a bunch of other statements, he said this: George II Oct 2018 #300

Wow, there really is no excuse for that divisiveness R B Garr Oct 2018 #302

Yes, he was invited by HIS organization! You do realize who founded Our Revolution, don't you? George II Oct 2018 #283

That means, essentially, that he invited himself. NurseJackie Oct 2018 #287

sanders invited himself to speak at an event he was in effect hosting Gothmog Oct 2018 #289

You do know that Our Revolution is a group that sanders founded and control Gothmog Oct 2018 #288

We continually hear that he "vigorously", or "energetically", or "heartily" supported.... George II Oct 2018 #292

I think he's... Mike Nelson Oct 2018 #204

We are going to have... disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #213

Maybe he can go for a SOUL FOOD lunch / photo op. That'll help...nt SidDithers Oct 2018 #242

I generally avoid commenting on the Bernie related posts because they generally devolve into dameatball Oct 2018 #262

Yes indeed. Tavarious Jackson Oct 2018 #273

Sanders is not the only hopeful saidsimplesimon Oct 2018 #276

A Pathetic Shitstorm! ProfessorGAC Oct 2018 #284

Small percentage.. disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #291

I don't think Sanders will play well here in SC customerserviceguy Oct 2018 #315

I also think sanders will not play well in Texas or the south Gothmog Oct 2018 #363

The ability to *listen* is vital for a truly effective politician ehrnst Oct 2018 #341

He is divisive and manages to be timely liberal N proud Oct 2018 #351

Exactly so much, liberal N proud. Cha Oct 2018 #356

If Sanders seems "noisier," i.e., is getting more coverage, Hortensis Oct 2018 #408

Great points liberal N proud Oct 2018 #409