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ancianita

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50. Absolutely no no no constitutional convention while any Koch libertarians are alive.

Reply to Stinky The Clown (Original post)

Wed Oct 10, 2018, 11:52 PM

Oct 2018

As historian Nancy MacLean has pointed out:

The libertarian cause was never really about freedom as most people would define it. It was about the promotion of crippling division among the people so as to end any interference with what those who held vast power over others believed should be their prerogatives...

Today, knowing that the majority does not share their goals and would stop them if they understood the endgame, the team ... seeks to win by stealth... changed the language.

The goal of the cause "must shift from who rules to change the rules ... figure out how to put legal -- indeed, constitutional -- shackles on public officials...so powerful that no matter how sympathetic these officials might be to the will of majorities ... they would no longer have the ability to respond to those who used their numbers...these shackles had to be binding and permanent ... the will of the majority could no longer influence government on core matters ... through what he called "constitutional revolution."

These ideas aren't even the scariest part that the James Buchanan, Kochs and their GOP-paid executive producers have planned for this "rule revolution." At least read MacLean's introduction to her primary document-based, National Book Award nominated book, Democracy In Chains (2017), to get some idea of how much time and money has been invested in this stealth plan.

Steal is key to the word stealth.

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So. Constitutional Convention. Let's talk. [View all] Stinky The Clown Oct 2018 OP

No, that's ridiculous manor321 Oct 2018 #1

in unison here Puzzledtraveller Oct 2018 #17

Makes you wonder if people even read the constitution grantcart Oct 2018 #27

It's worth reading H2O Man Oct 2018 #30

I never cease to be amazed at how many people around here know so little about it...... WillowTree Oct 2018 #45

We KNOW it would not be "fair and truly representative." Hortensis Oct 2018 #56

You know this is a Koch bro put up, don't you? WhiteTara Oct 2018 #2

I absolutely know that Stinky The Clown Oct 2018 #4

Why would we want to own Skidmore Oct 2018 #22

Can't own it as Rs would have the majority sharedvalues Oct 2018 #54

Just NO. Zoonart Oct 2018 #3

That article makes me think we should prepare for it sfwriter Oct 2018 #11

A convention would be essentially one state one vote. Voltaire2 Oct 2018 #5

Are you sure of that? Stinky The Clown Oct 2018 #7

The constitution says nothing. Voltaire2 Oct 2018 #19

It could also be a very bad thing. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #6

If we OWN what we wish for, we might get it. Stinky The Clown Oct 2018 #9

We could kiss a lot of the Bill of Rights goodbye. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #15

Right, BAD idea. elleng Oct 2018 #12

One word Sherman A1 Oct 2018 #8

Much too dangerous, considering power of trumpsters elleng Oct 2018 #10

Beware the results of the Law of Unintended Consequences. elocs Oct 2018 #13

Bad, bad idea X 1000 nt COLGATE4 Oct 2018 #23

Since conventions are about compromise sarisataka Oct 2018 #14

This is the crux of the argument Fatemah2774 Oct 2018 #32

Absolutely none of those things would happen. Codeine Oct 2018 #16

It will simply not be possible for one "that represents the people fairly" at this time. scarletwoman Oct 2018 #18

I agree with your point "at this time" Stinky The Clown Oct 2018 #24

I don't understand your "expand the House" part jberryhill Oct 2018 #20

Thanks for "breaking it to me" Stinky The Clown Oct 2018 #29

Well, maybe you should be happy that one of your reforms was enacted so quickly jberryhill Oct 2018 #37

Lol Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2018 #44

Totally disagree. The opportunity to recast the American government in their own Atticus Oct 2018 #21

It would not be fair and truly representative. It would be bought and paid for by the Kochs. Squinch Oct 2018 #25

I think Governorships currently breakdown 33R - 16D -1I NT WeekiWater Oct 2018 #26

Once I found out who was plotting it, I lost all interest in such a thing. Kochs. ALEC. Hekate Oct 2018 #28

The Dems are about to retake 7-8 govenorships possible more. CC goes to the back burner Thekaspervote Oct 2018 #40

There is simply no mechanism for a Constitutional Convention. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2018 #31

This DetroitLegalBeagle Oct 2018 #33

That seems like a very good thing. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2018 #41

I remember hearing someone say that not even a Constitutional Amendment could disband the Senate Polybius Oct 2018 #46

Except we all know that won't happen. Initech Oct 2018 #34

If I could write the rules and pick the participants, I might be for it rurallib Oct 2018 #35

Horrible idea. Joe941 Oct 2018 #36

Why not split into 12 regions in place of states, and 6yr for pres and 12 yrs max for CK_John Oct 2018 #38

The conservatives also want a CC for entirely different reasons Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2018 #39

Right! Balanced budget and term limits are the likely outcomes. Jim Lane Oct 2018 #48

I think Federal Term limits is a Devil/Details thing Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2018 #49

Only if it contains a secession amendment like the EU's Article 50. roamer65 Oct 2018 #42

I cant unrec this enough Separation Oct 2018 #43

I like the idea... myohmy2 Oct 2018 #47

Absolutely no no no constitutional convention while any Koch libertarians are alive. ancianita Oct 2018 #50

Didn't you already post this? A few days ago Thekaspervote Oct 2018 #51

Late readers, like you, keep this post from a few days ago alive. Stinky The Clown Oct 2018 #55

I wish we could eliminate the EC. Turin_C3PO Oct 2018 #52

At this time almost half the population of the United States should be in the same room. gordianot Oct 2018 #53

I don't know about a constitutional convention, but I would support another try at New Deal-type anarch Oct 2018 #57

It would go the same way the POTUS election of 2016 and the SC battle went Cosmocat Oct 2018 #58