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handmade34

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135. this is the shit...

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 07:09 AM

Oct 2018

the results are in... have been for decades.... climate change is real.... climate change is seriously affected by animal agriculture….

I have been trying to educate people for decades about the effects of animal agriculture on the environment... trying in a very polite, nice way (just cut consumption a little at a time)... the hostility has always come from the meat eaters who refuse to accept that they are part of the problem

we are all part of the problem and we make our choices... I am constantly trying to be better and accept my responsibility

we can cut down on meat consumption, we can consume locally, as much as possible, we can drive less, we can plant trees, we can support politicians who understand the dire nature of climate change and vote accordingly, etc....

silly to be hostile towards me it will not make me do any different, I will continue to try to encourage action in myself and others to help the planet, help the environment, to help our communities, our Children.

just a very, very few articles and information about climate change, what is causing it, what we can do about it and how it affects us and our children....

90% drop in meat intake needed to avoid crippling Earth's ability to sustain projected population
https://gulfnews.com/culture/environment/stop-eating-meat-to-halt-climate-change-study-1.2288646

Global Warming May Harm Children for Life
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/609629/global-warming-may-harm-children-for-life/

more than 88 percent of the existing global burden of disease due to climate change occurs in children
https://www.ecowatch.com/how-climate-change-impacts-children-1881782625.html

Climate change is already having a devastating impact on the world’s children
https://www.uncclearn.org/sites/default/files/inventory/unicef203.pdf

Climate change poses threats to human health, safety, and security, and children are at particularly high risk. The effects of climate change on child health include:
Physical and psychological sequelae of weather disasters (e.g. hurricanes, flooding, wildfires)
Increased heat stress
Decreased air quality
Altered vector-borne disease patterns
Food, water, and nutrient insecurity
https://www.aap.org/en-us/advocacy-and-policy/aap-health-initiatives/climate-change/Pages/Climate-Change-and-Childrens-Health.aspx

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Are you willing to consider giving up meat to reduce greenhouse gases causing climate change? [View all] milestogo Oct 2018 OP

My consumption is already largely limited to small additions to other cooked foods for flavor hlthe2b Oct 2018 #1

Me too, I have been this way since college. BigmanPigman Oct 2018 #4

I am willing to look at eating more vegan fare. Blue_true Oct 2018 #2

Next April will be fully thirty years Codeine Oct 2018 #3

I've been vegetarian for 10 and vegan for 5. MLAA Oct 2018 #21

Next April will be fully thirty years. LenaBaby61 Oct 2018 #54

I started as soon as I had my own place Codeine Oct 2018 #121

I'm vegan. Mendocino Oct 2018 #76

There is NO hostility to eating vegetarian... brooklynite Oct 2018 #100

I've been vegan for almost 30 years, too. Cha Oct 2018 #125

even though I am a vegetarian... IcyPeas Oct 2018 #5

Yes +1 BeckyDem Oct 2018 #7

Almond breeze is great for milk. Much better than silk in my opinion. Joe941 Oct 2018 #51

I cut way back and will do more to help relieve us from the greater harm. BeckyDem Oct 2018 #6

so what will happen to the farm animals? do they go extinct? samnsara Oct 2018 #8

As things stand, climate change is going to make all of us extinct. milestogo Oct 2018 #9

I avoid eating mammals but I could easily give up all meat. democratisphere Oct 2018 #10

Can't afford it, but the answer is NO anyway Puzzledtraveller Oct 2018 #11

Vegetables, legumes, and grains are much cheaper than meat. athena Oct 2018 #97

Yes, and also because I choose not to eat anything with a face (aka The Tommy LaSorta diet c-rational Oct 2018 #12

To folks who don't think they can give up animal products.... MLAA Oct 2018 #13

"do you love meat more than your kids" handmade34 Oct 2018 #55

That's nothing compared to the open hostility towards meat eaters dansolo Oct 2018 #134

this is the shit... handmade34 Oct 2018 #135

Yes, that's it right there. Most folks don't even see this, for some reason. JudyM Oct 2018 #72

I don't eat meat, rusty fender Oct 2018 #14

I have the same problem. milestogo Oct 2018 #15

My dog hates kibble - only wants meat womanofthehills Oct 2018 #80

Yeah, I'm a vegetarian TeapotInATempest Oct 2018 #91

It would be animal abuse if we tried to rusty fender Oct 2018 #95

I'm vegan at home, but only vegetarian at restaurants. Joe941 Oct 2018 #16

I say, good for you! That is understandable. MLAA Oct 2018 #19

I've drastically reduced my meat consumption cally Oct 2018 #17

Good! That is wonderful. MLAA Oct 2018 #20

No, but I will volunteer to be child-free. The_jackalope Oct 2018 #18

Weird, who said you couldn't eat what you wanted?? It was a poll!! nt USALiberal Oct 2018 #22

In that case, I changed my vote to "No fucking way." The_jackalope Oct 2018 #24

LOL, wow, you need a nap. nt USALiberal Oct 2018 #25

And you need to become OK with others holding strong opinions. The_jackalope Oct 2018 #28

LOL, even weirder response. nt USALiberal Oct 2018 #30

Whatevs, bro. The_jackalope Oct 2018 #31

Cool Dude, like WOW man. nt USALiberal Oct 2018 #32

Your mockery is devastating. The_jackalope Oct 2018 #34

Pointing out the child factor is a big contribution. Hortensis Oct 2018 #56

social engineering isn't automatically a bad thing. Kurt V. Oct 2018 #66

Quite the creative allegation. LanternWaste Oct 2018 #73

Aw, is someone trying to make you feel guilty? Iggo Oct 2018 #89

I am doing both (child-free and vegetarian). milestogo Oct 2018 #23

I'm child-free and have been vegan for over five years. athena Oct 2018 #98

I never said you couldn't do both The_jackalope Oct 2018 #109

I have greatly limited our household consumption of factory meat GulfCoast66 Oct 2018 #26

Better for health, better for the environment, eliminates animal cruelty. milestogo Oct 2018 #38

I am obviously not vegetarian, but respect those who chose to be GulfCoast66 Oct 2018 #39

Agree and same here. Except for fish, though, our meat comes Hortensis Oct 2018 #57

How many would eliminate using air conditioning ? MichMan Oct 2018 #27

Or refrigeration? The_jackalope Oct 2018 #29

I have yet to convince my wife we could do without a refrigerator... hunter Oct 2018 #126

I think we may have to consider a lot of things that seem difficult. milestogo Oct 2018 #36

I take that you do not live in Central Florida? GulfCoast66 Oct 2018 #40

Well they don't have air conditioning in many poor countries in Africa. milestogo Oct 2018 #41

Have you ever lived in a hot climate without AC? GulfCoast66 Oct 2018 #42

Yes, I have lived in SubSaharan Africa. milestogo Oct 2018 #48

Conditions required to sustain marginally decent life Hortensis Oct 2018 #59

Does climate change only affect Americans? milestogo Oct 2018 #67

Yet somehow our ancestors survived without it for decades MichMan Oct 2018 #63

AC saves older people's lives... Joe941 Oct 2018 #69

They also survived without making petulant, irrelevant responses on the internet. LanternWaste Oct 2018 #74

"Designed to make themselves appear clever" Tipperary Oct 2018 #86

we survived without a lot of things qazplm135 Oct 2018 #84

I hate air-conditioning violetpastille Oct 2018 #81

Solar panels work great to offset ac... Joe941 Oct 2018 #52

Dont they still expel hot air into the environment? MichMan Oct 2018 #65

ACs will move hot air... Joe941 Oct 2018 #68

I used to be a vegetarian, but now I eat some meat. marylandblue Oct 2018 #33

Vegetarian for 26 years Sprite Oct 2018 #35

give up your car and your AC, buying crap you don't need made in China - Kali Oct 2018 #37

I'm a hospice nurse driving around several counties I do have a hybrid car. mucifer Oct 2018 #53

I own a construction company with heavy equipment, trucks, cars, john657 Oct 2018 #71

Going vegan is a lot easier than giving up one's car or AC. athena Oct 2018 #104

so taking the easy way out is your recommendation? Kali Oct 2018 #113

Willing to give up a lot, cut back (which I already do), but end of the day JCMach1 Oct 2018 #43

And give up eating meat loaded with hormones? ProudLib72 Oct 2018 #44

Already have, I'm vegan davekriss Oct 2018 #45

I would give up meat to feed the starving. I'll go electric to cut carbon McCamy Taylor Oct 2018 #46

Going vegan does more for the environment than switching to an electric car. athena Oct 2018 #102

It's not an 'or' thing. It's going to take many paths, and you can take many at once, mahina Oct 2018 #108

I've raised beef cattle most of my life jcgoldie Oct 2018 #47

I've been a vegetarian Raine Oct 2018 #49

I gave up meat over 25 years ago PatSeg Oct 2018 #50

as long as i can have gravy. broccoli does not make gravy. pansypoo53219 Oct 2018 #58

I make vegetarian gravy all the time. Codeine Oct 2018 #75

i am not a fan of mushrooms. pansypoo53219 Oct 2018 #110

I make mine without Codeine Oct 2018 #116

i can fake a sauce. not gravy. i did buy mushroom POWDER for stroganoff. pansypoo53219 Oct 2018 #139

99% of the animal products at your grocery store come from the factory farm industry. athena Oct 2018 #101

buy WI organic eggs & milk. think my one butcher gets meat from the UWM ag program. pansypoo53219 Oct 2018 #111

The mind is willing, the body not so much. MyNameGoesHere Oct 2018 #60

We cut back big on portion size, which was amazingly easy actually. Hortensis Oct 2018 #61

I spent a long time honing my pitmaster skills. BlueTsunami2018 Oct 2018 #62

Slowly moving that way ..more expenses over ideology dembotoz Oct 2018 #64

NO!!!! john657 Oct 2018 #70

We're still meat eaters, but far, far less. mountain grammy Oct 2018 #77

Are vegetarians giving up beans? Sneederbunk Oct 2018 #78

Why would they? TeapotInATempest Oct 2018 #92

Plants are living things with feelings. I read this long ago----- panader0 Oct 2018 #96

Hey! I gave up smoking so I can give up meat lunatica Oct 2018 #79

Try Beyond Burgers TeapotInATempest Oct 2018 #93

Thanks! I will lunatica Oct 2018 #114

Sprouts carries the Beyond Burger patties. Codeine Oct 2018 #118

Great. I shop in both places lunatica Oct 2018 #124

Do you have a Whole Foods near you? TeapotInATempest Oct 2018 #137

When I wake up... SimpleC Oct 2018 #82

Because you are fucking awesome! Iggo Oct 2018 #90

Already a vegetarian (health reasons) crazycatlady Oct 2018 #83

Actually, I don't see how free range chickens would effect climate change womanofthehills Oct 2018 #85

Chicken manure produces methane. And grass-fed beef is actually worse for the environment. athena Oct 2018 #99

I agree with you handmade34 Oct 2018 #136

I eat very little meat Raven123 Oct 2018 #87

I wouldn't cry if it became generally unavailable. Iggo Oct 2018 #88

Yes.... but.... Adrahil Oct 2018 #94

I gave up meat in 1994. I don't miss it at all. I am a very healthy 72 yr old. wasupaloopa Oct 2018 #103

Going vegan cuts one's risk of Alzheimer's disease to zero. athena Oct 2018 #106

you are spreading a lot of manure in this thread but vegan cutting risk of Alzheimers to zero is Kali Oct 2018 #112

That's utterly absurd. Codeine Oct 2018 #117

You might be thinking of Mad Cow Disease... Phentex Oct 2018 #119

Two cows are standing in a field. Codeine Oct 2018 #122

First of all, post a poll that has a definite question. Not "willing to consider". bitterross Oct 2018 #105

Other: I already did cut back. raging moderate Oct 2018 #107

I'm down to fish and chicken now, and I could probably drop the chicken. VOX Oct 2018 #115

Fish only Pescatarian (sp?). That's what I want to be ! Remember reading Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2018 #123

Humans do that from time to time as well. VOX Oct 2018 #138

Is there such a thing as a part-time vegan? Phentex Oct 2018 #120

I'm already cutting back Calculating Oct 2018 #127

Becoming vegan, vegetarian, carless or even a hermit isn't going to solve climate change. roamer65 Oct 2018 #128

Extermination? milestogo Oct 2018 #129

Aggressive birth control promotion and monetary incentives for voluntary sterilization. roamer65 Oct 2018 #130

Imagine 10 billion trying to survive after this happens. Welcome to Earth 2100. roamer65 Oct 2018 #131

I eat eggs from pasture-raised chickens and about four ounces of chicken a week. femmedem Oct 2018 #132

No beef, but... RichardRay Oct 2018 #133