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Caliman73

(11,767 posts)
30. Welcome to DU. We do nuance here.
Tue Oct 16, 2018, 04:00 PM
Oct 2018

There is a difference between being a business owner and a businessman. Business owners are typically people who wanted to provide a service, work for themselves rather than for a corporation, and then perhaps have become successful enough to consider the cost and sacrifice it takes to run for public office.

Businesmen (and this includes women as well) are often people who are CEO's of major corporations or of family businesses (Koch Industries) that think that running an administration is "just like running a business".

I am sure that there are business owners that have become decent public servants. There has not been a Businessman that has ever been a good President.

You are correct that being in a certain profession doesn't translate into being good or bad at anything else. The problem is, as I stated, that when you have the mindset of a CEO, who is adapted to making decisions based on maximizing profit and that is how you plan to approach government (efficiency and profit) then you have already dug yourself a hole. Government does not exist to turn a profit. While efficiency and cutting waste is important, government is not designed to be efficient, it should be designed to administer the public good and general welfare to the most constituents possible. Sometimes constituent groups have VERY different ideas about what that means and priorities pull you in many different directions. A good President has to know when to lead personally and when to surround themselves with the most qualified team of advisers and and cabinet positions and LET THEM DO THEIR JOB.

Democrats as a matter of history (especially in modern times) understand that the above is the function of government, whereas Republicans think that government exists only to secure the ability of businesses to maximize profits. They say that when businesses do well, the fruits of labor are spread out (by some miracle) to the populace. They are full of shit. As we have seen, when big business does well, the major shareholders do very well, the CEOs and vice presidents do well, but the average worker and society as a whole does not.

That is what is meant by "not voting for any businessman".

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Businessmen are generally anti-democratic meow2u3 Oct 2018 #1
The US has had several "businessman" Presidents... Wounded Bear Oct 2018 #2
My grandmother once said to me: "A successful businessman... Pacifist Patriot Oct 2018 #3
Your grandma's right: "business" is a different paradigm from either governance or education... Hekate Oct 2018 #31
Government is not a business. hunter Oct 2018 #32
+1,000,000. dchill Oct 2018 #52
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2018 #70
And anyone in government who continues to run a "business" as a first priority Rhiannon12866 Oct 2018 #78
More RW Divide and Conquer trolling TheRealNorth Oct 2018 #4
LOL! lunatica Oct 2018 #5
first time I've seen you called a troll. JHan Oct 2018 #6
It's pretty obvious TheRealNorth Oct 2018 #29
You don't know me at all lunatica Oct 2018 #40
Happens to the best of us oberliner Oct 2018 #46
I'm not convinced you know what the word 'troll' means. LanternWaste Oct 2018 #14
You are, by far, my favorite poster on DU currently oberliner Oct 2018 #48
Welcome to DU. We do nuance here. Caliman73 Oct 2018 #30
Governments are NOT businesses. They have different purposes. bitterross Oct 2018 #7
Trump drives that truth home on a daily basis lunatica Oct 2018 #8
Donald Trump, George W Bush and Herbert Hoover NewJeffCT Oct 2018 #9
+1 Thanks for noting the worst 3 'businessmen' presidents. appalachiablue Oct 2018 #15
Harry Truman (albeit a failed businessman) marybourg Oct 2018 #34
Truman and Carter NewJeffCT Oct 2018 #35
I don't know that you're correct marybourg Oct 2018 #79
Truman and Carter xxqqqzme Oct 2018 #36
most of the business men I have known up close, were losers. Lost their businesses, demigoddess Oct 2018 #10
Exactly ZeroSomeBrains Oct 2018 #11
And look at Scott Walker PatSeg Oct 2018 #12
And Snyder, in Michigan. LisaM Oct 2018 #13
Oh yes, he is awful! PatSeg Oct 2018 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author appalachiablue Oct 2018 #16
Thank you for making me ineligible. clementine613 Oct 2018 #44
Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker MagickMuffin Oct 2018 #19
I know PatSeg Oct 2018 #38
And Ducey in Arizona QED Oct 2018 #23
And Paul LePage, Maine mainer Oct 2018 #28
Oops PatSeg Oct 2018 #37
While I generally share your view, our candidate for governor rurallib Oct 2018 #17
A democracy cannot be run like a private business. VOX Oct 2018 #18
Tom Steyer isn't thinking about money, he is thinking about saving the planet from climate change. StevieM Oct 2018 #20
I've supported him from the beginning lunatica Oct 2018 #41
The current (D) Governor of PA owned a business BumRushDaShow Oct 2018 #21
I agree with or accept almost everything that has been posted here. TryLogic Oct 2018 #22
I completely agree with you! lunatica Oct 2018 #42
trump is no businessman seta1950 Oct 2018 #24
the moron is basically a high level custodian. pansypoo53219 Oct 2018 #25
Which businessman did you vote for? maxsolomon Oct 2018 #26
No. I voted for Clinton lunatica Oct 2018 #43
so... you've never voted for a businessman, then? maxsolomon Oct 2018 #67
I mainly know banking. There are definitely checks and balances Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2018 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author TxVietVet Oct 2018 #33
Indeed FreeRunning Oct 2018 #45
welcome to DU gopiscrap Oct 2018 #80
Ridiculous. Governor Tom Wolf (D) of Pennsylvania... SMC22307 Oct 2018 #47
It's understood there are exceptions. lunatica Oct 2018 #50
It's not understood in the least -- your OP is quite emphatic. (n/t) SMC22307 Oct 2018 #77
Jimmy Carter was a businessman fescuerescue Oct 2018 #49
I'd vote for him again too lunatica Oct 2018 #51
He was a businessman SCantiGOP Oct 2018 #57
Do you want links to my opinions too? lunatica Oct 2018 #58
You can refer them to my post #30. Caliman73 Oct 2018 #68
Thanks! I really appreciate you taking the time to add your thoughts here! N/T lunatica Oct 2018 #71
Never voted for a businessman and never will! Meadowoak Oct 2018 #53
Government and Business Operate Differently dlk Oct 2018 #54
I own a business, but I understand the difference between running a business ... dawg Oct 2018 #55
My OP was not meant to be a treatise or all that fact based lunatica Oct 2018 #60
You're thinking of Republicans IronLionZion Oct 2018 #56
I'm thinking of a certain type of mentality lunatica Oct 2018 #62
K&R ck4829 Oct 2018 #59
Business executives look at everything as a cost. Efilroft Sul Oct 2018 #61
Frank Lautenberg and Herb Kohl were businessmen and reliable Democrats. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2018 #63
Exceptions implied lunatica Oct 2018 #64
We need to encourage businessmen and businesswomen to have social consciences. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2018 #65
We can encourage all we want lunatica Oct 2018 #66
How many Democratic challengers for the House/Senate are you excluding? brooklynite Oct 2018 #69
Oh please! lunatica Oct 2018 #72
You didn't say you wouldn't vote for someone who wants to get rich... brooklynite Oct 2018 #75
Disagree. Agschmid Oct 2018 #73
That's fine with me lunatica Oct 2018 #74
Jimmy Carter, Harry Truman mahatmakanejeeves Oct 2018 #76
Too much of a broad brush, IMO. ecstatic Oct 2018 #81
I get what you're saying, but ... Whiskeytide Oct 2018 #82
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