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CoffeeCat

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102. Thank you so much...

Tue Aug 14, 2012, 12:50 AM

Aug 2012

...and I appreciate the information.

There are puzzle pieces here that others have. That's what I love about DU. Others are always so willing to share
information.

Thanks!!

The puzzle pieces I have, are from a PR consultant perspective. It's obvious that Google was deliberate in it's messaging. It intentionally spread via the media, the meme that it searched for qualified US tech workers, but they just were not there.

They did this for a reason. What you just mentioned -- that companies are required to make a "good faith" effort in finding US workers--may be the answer.

I may not always know WHY a company or a person communicates a specific message--but I damn sure know when there is a concerted effort to spread specific messages and use the media to do so.

Again, thanks for your insight.

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For those who think that there is a skills shortage, let me tell you about my Google job interview [View all] twins.fan Aug 2012 OP

Yea, I've been through those weed-out interviews. tridim Aug 2012 #1

Yep. Welcome to my world: applying for jobs that aren't really there. It's all CYA. & They wonder patrice Aug 2012 #2

Sorry, you're overqualified for fast food work. Fumesucker Aug 2012 #3

It's particularly galling because the people I know with the strongest anti-government patrice Aug 2012 #10

I was listening to a cop and a fireman/emt have a discussion at a recent family gathering.. Fumesucker Aug 2012 #30

so are you in some STEM program or did they just randomly email you? snooper2 Aug 2012 #4

Over 30 years of experience in software development twins.fan Aug 2012 #5

You're name isn't Joe, is it? n/t Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #36

No twins.fan Aug 2012 #37

Please PM. I would be VERY VERY VERY interested in your EEOC filing and outcome... uponit7771 Aug 2012 #6

I do not have enough posts to PM; you have to send PM to me. twins.fan Aug 2012 #7

There's no doubt in my feeble mind that AGE is the "issue". TahitiNut Aug 2012 #31

If HR is being run by foreign workers pscot Aug 2012 #35

HR serves the hiring managers. Their "job" is to PROTECT the company. TahitiNut Aug 2012 #40

The SVP, People Operations at Google and Board Member/Investor ... twins.fan Aug 2012 #44

Don't you think pay is the obvious issue, if the interview was conducted from China? robinlynne Aug 2012 #64

I heard from someone who applied flamingdem Aug 2012 #8

We were just props in Google's narrative designed to taunt, mock, and smear US STEM workers twins.fan Aug 2012 #9

Can you help me understand the back story? CoffeeCat Aug 2012 #89

they have to make a "good faith" attempt to find us workers before they hire h1b. maybe you HiPointDem Aug 2012 #99

Thank you so much... CoffeeCat Aug 2012 #102

"Red China" nichomachus Aug 2012 #11

You know the one with the Communist government that has been stealing or given US technology. twins.fan Aug 2012 #12

But is there another China? nichomachus Aug 2012 #15

Taiwan shawn703 Aug 2012 #16

That is what I thought twins.fan Aug 2012 #19

Maybe the sole purpose of this round of interviews alcibiades_mystery Aug 2012 #43

My we are touchy ... twins.fan Aug 2012 #52

You *still* think the interview was about programming alcibiades_mystery Aug 2012 #77

Oh, OK O' Wise One twins.fan Aug 2012 #78

...," says the angry guy nobody at Google wants to work with alcibiades_mystery Aug 2012 #79

Wow, you're being mean CoffeeCat Aug 2012 #91

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This message was self-deleted by its author AllyCat Aug 2012 #96

Try this company they are full of old John Birchers and would enjoy your Mandarin rant lunasun Aug 2012 #168

Ridiculous statement blackspade Aug 2012 #162

if you didn't make it move on and don't blame communism for your loss lunasun Aug 2012 #161

yeah, we don't call it that anymore CreekDog Aug 2012 #123

I also hit a bump when reading that but they really deserve the title. Poll_Blind Aug 2012 #13

That one jumped out at me too GObamaGO Aug 2012 #165

Bingo nichomachus Aug 2012 #171

Yep GObamaGO Aug 2012 #193

There are major factual problems in your post. grantcart Aug 2012 #14

Do they have books on ... twins.fan Aug 2012 #17

Can you supply a link to the article you referred to that indicates that Google "interviewed" a grantcart Aug 2012 #18

I stand by my position twins.fan Aug 2012 #20

Fine now show us a link that stands by your position that shows where google interviewed a milllion grantcart Aug 2012 #22

I actually responded to the story when it occurred, back in 2010 twins.fan Aug 2012 #27

lol any story about any company INTERVIEWING A MILLION CANDIDATES would generate thousands grantcart Aug 2012 #29

You are breaking my heart ... twins.fan Aug 2012 #33

The problem is that is it wasn't a triviality it provided the set up for your whole story. grantcart Aug 2012 #45

Pardon me, apparently I am in the shadow of greatness twins.fan Aug 2012 #47

Personal attacks will not change the fact that the basic facts in your arguments are not true grantcart Aug 2012 #69

Oh no, that is not what I said twins.fan Aug 2012 #76

grantcart, with all due respect... CoffeeCat Aug 2012 #92

Making outrageous and unsubstantiated claims undermines your argument. grantcart Aug 2012 #101

You know my position; I know yours. Moving forward, view Google's outrageous claims ... twins.fan Aug 2012 #121

A few points that stand out to me... WilmywoodNCparalegal Aug 2012 #159

Sergey Brin, one of the founders of Google, was born in Moscow, for instance. lunasun Aug 2012 #174

I also remember this story FlaGranny Aug 2012 #132

I don't think I would brag about getting every job I interviewed for indie9197 Aug 2012 #182

Lots of people on DU get lied to, details actually do ferret that stuff out CreekDog Aug 2012 #125

Please think about it. twins.fan Aug 2012 #127

I appreciate personal stories, though I admit I'm a little skeptical CreekDog Aug 2012 #128

I am not a public relations guy; I am a propellor head! twins.fan Aug 2012 #131

You got a technical question WRONG... mathematic Aug 2012 #140

Lookup is log(n) twins.fan Aug 2012 #142

That's what I just said, you got the lookup wrong. mathematic Aug 2012 #147

It is miscommunication, Sir twins.fan Aug 2012 #150

this article supports your contention -- it refers to applications/resumes rather than interviews spooky3 Aug 2012 #23

Can't comment on the interview. Igel Aug 2012 #24

Well if you were interviewing somebody for a job that required absolutely precise language ability grantcart Aug 2012 #26

What red flags did he raise? kwassa Aug 2012 #55

I know people that work at Google and half a dozen other people who have been interviewed by them. wickerwoman Aug 2012 #93

That part sounded very odd. UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #115

These big tech companies are very American companies, at least the Bay Area ones CreekDog Aug 2012 #126

and living in the Bay Area, there are plenty of Americans working there CreekDog Aug 2012 #124

Around 2008, the San Jose Mercury News did a story ... twins.fan Aug 2012 #129

Just one problem with your #'s --there should be less whites now CreekDog Aug 2012 #130

The other problem is that he keeps quoting articles that he can't llink to. grantcart Aug 2012 #137

Mr Humility speaks again. twins.fan Aug 2012 #143

I live in Mountain View REP Aug 2012 #202

I am certain that my story contradicts the crap being sold by Google ... twins.fan Aug 2012 #206

Your story contradicts a lot of things REP Aug 2012 #211

Time will tell that my story is true. twins.fan Aug 2012 #212

If I don't find suitable employment soon, I'm going to start leaving my PhD MNBrewer Aug 2012 #21

I've been tempted to do that, as well. gkhouston Aug 2012 #25

Bingo. TahitiNut Aug 2012 #38

'Course, if I were 25, they'd probably tell me I didn't have enough experience. gkhouston Aug 2012 #41

That has crossed my mind. KansDem Aug 2012 #32

Know folks who have done that with success lunasun Aug 2012 #175

Maybe even for related positions. MNBrewer Aug 2012 #183

So, are you guys looking for super jobs, or just regular jobs? DaveJ Aug 2012 #28

Depends where you live and how willing you are to relocate jeff47 Aug 2012 #68

Relocating seems ludicrous in this profession DaveJ Aug 2012 #191

Managing remote workers takes more skill than in-person workers. jeff47 Aug 2012 #213

I just showed an online agile site to by boss DaveJ Aug 2012 #214

If only tech companies would be as innovative in their products as they are inventing ways to avoid Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #34

k and r nt Stuart G Aug 2012 #39

Allow room for the fact that your temperament may not be a fit Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #42

OUCH!! twins.fan Aug 2012 #46

I don't discount that there is an issue with that, Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #48

You missed the point ... twins.fan Aug 2012 #49

Twins.fan, the system sucks but it's not just STEM workers DaveJ Aug 2012 #50

Microsoft did not steal my technology ... twins.fan Aug 2012 #51

twins.fan - I'll tell you what they were looking for, and why you weren't hired: leveymg Aug 2012 #56

That is an excellent point ... twins.fan Aug 2012 #60

It was the perception of insensitivity, not the reality. leveymg Aug 2012 #63

I said you have a point ... twins.fan Aug 2012 #66

I think you have a point... CoffeeCat Aug 2012 #100

For the record, I know nothing about US STEM workers, but I haven't found your posts (original and phylny Aug 2012 #53

Thank you for your kind words twins.fan Aug 2012 #54

It sounds like a Kobayashi Maru test. sofa king Aug 2012 #184

Ahhhhh. I see. It's a setup to use American interviews as excuse to outsource. nt Honeycombe8 Aug 2012 #57

d femrap Aug 2012 #58

It has been more than two years since I filed the EEOC complaint twins.fan Aug 2012 #59

Maybe I'm just a suspicious person Lex Aug 2012 #61

Oh well, twins.fan Aug 2012 #65

No. You misunderstand. I'm not questioning that it happened the way you described. Lex Aug 2012 #67

Oh OK, here is how it went. twins.fan Aug 2012 #73

"Red China." How perfectly racist. progress2k12nbynd Aug 2012 #62

What?! twins.fan Aug 2012 #70

was there sensitivity training when you were in college? You seem to old for that lunasun Aug 2012 #176

Ignore them, and keep us up to date ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2012 #194

There are people who are buying into the fable being spread by the likes of Google. twins.fan Aug 2012 #200

What's racist about that? Ron Obvious Aug 2012 #71

You do realize there are two Chinas, right? jeff47 Aug 2012 #72

What is racist in the statement? A bit dated with a touch of McCarthy flavor? Ok TheKentuckian Aug 2012 #82

If there was REALLY a severe shortage as they claim... twins.fan Aug 2012 #83

wtf? HiPointDem Aug 2012 #103

Well said. Zalatix Aug 2012 #112

Please explain how this can be racist, I admit that I don't know everything about every... uponit7771 Aug 2012 #116

I wonder. FlaGranny Aug 2012 #170

My fraudulent interview story jeff47 Aug 2012 #74

HAH!!!! Good for you twins.fan Aug 2012 #75

Sorry, but the whole story sounds pretty sketchy, and nothing verifies bhikkhu Aug 2012 #80

Bet the OP doesn't respond to your questions. leveymg Aug 2012 #84

OP already responded to similar questions earlier. twins.fan Aug 2012 #118

Seems like I'm 3 for 3 today. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2012 #81

Yeah. freshwest Aug 2012 #85

Yeah, that post has everything. joshcryer Aug 2012 #90

He started posting on friday lunasun Aug 2012 #177

What's interesting is that I live in a college town xmas74 Aug 2012 #86

Possibly... Ron Obvious Aug 2012 #87

Most of our international students come from a wealthy background xmas74 Aug 2012 #88

why not start a petition to have the university not accept them so all your friends can get jobs?? lunasun Aug 2012 #178

But many of the international students at our local university are wealthy. xmas74 Aug 2012 #192

More likely, it's the kids. n/t gkhouston Aug 2012 #98

as the poster said, a high percentage of foreign students come from wealthy backgrounds & have HiPointDem Aug 2012 #104

They attend this school because they can afford it, at least the xmas74 Aug 2012 #186

Yeah, could be... Ron Obvious Aug 2012 #106

They're not supposed to ask, but many do, under the cover of "small talk". gkhouston Aug 2012 #107

I've been asked in interviews about children, xmas74 Aug 2012 #185

Who "installs" Google Docs? zaj Aug 2012 #94

They had a client. It's now Google Drive. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2012 #110

kr. i hope your complaint is successful. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #97

I wish there were a real alternative to google. MADem Aug 2012 #105

sounds like a weird ass interview.On top of not wanting US workersthere is also a shitload of age limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #108

This article dsteve01 Aug 2012 #109

I suppose I was aware this happened, but not as a publicity stunt. crim son Aug 2012 #111

Plus benefits? Zalatix Aug 2012 #113

You "installed" google docs? sharklazers Aug 2012 #114

There's a google docs client uponit7771 Aug 2012 #117

You wouldn't need it. sharklazers Aug 2012 #187

I installed GoogleDocs because I was REQUIRED to install GoogleDocs twins.fan Aug 2012 #119

You are certainly not a google caliber technologist if you think that: sharklazers Aug 2012 #188

I installed GoogleDocs, or should I say that I installed the GoogleDocs client? twins.fan Aug 2012 #207

Could you just share the reasons without the need for PM. I'm sure others would like to hear what masmdu Aug 2012 #133

I don't understand the acronym PM twins.fan Aug 2012 #134

PM=Personal/private Message masmdu Aug 2012 #136

OK, I don't understand your request twins.fan Aug 2012 #144

Really? SQUEE Aug 2012 #148

I am new here. The PM acronym has plenty of meanings in my world. twins.fan Aug 2012 #149

BTW, do you really think that one who would ask the question ... twins.fan Aug 2012 #151

pretty much. sharklazers Aug 2012 #189

First of all, Google doesn't call its recruiting branch HR sharklazers Aug 2012 #190

As I said in a previous post to you, you apparently did not read my complaint ... twins.fan Aug 2012 #209

Have you considered that maybe you were just not the 'right fit'? HipChick Aug 2012 #120

As I have said, I may not be a right fit, but the interview was not equipped to make that assessment twins.fan Aug 2012 #122

I don't know you and FlaGranny Aug 2012 #135

Thanks for the benefit of the doubt ... twins.fan Aug 2012 #208

Google thinks they are God. I have a friend interviewing right now. onehandle Aug 2012 #138

It's not just IT. ArchTeryx Aug 2012 #139

Touché twins.fan Aug 2012 #141

U.S. pushes for more scientists, but the jobs aren’t there twins.fan Aug 2012 #146

Your experience demonstrates the terrible tragedy in this fraud! twins.fan Aug 2012 #145

Hmm so you want to work for Google? YOHABLO Aug 2012 #152

Nobel Prizes twins.fan Aug 2012 #153

I cant help but to see irony in this DAngelo136 Aug 2012 #154

Irony twins.fan Aug 2012 #155

In re:"That situation may have existed for longer than you think." DAngelo136 Aug 2012 #196

Yeah, Native Americans are in that boat too. JoeyT Aug 2012 #164

I don't wish this on anyone DAngelo136 Aug 2012 #195

I have read both of your posts on this topic, and find truedelphi Aug 2012 #198

Now, if you believe what they believed, you'll take this country back from these impostors ... twins.fan Aug 2012 #199

Well, twins.fan... DAngelo136 Sep 2012 #215

I Appreciate What You're Saying About the Simplicity of the Questions, On the Road Aug 2012 #156

you lost me at "Red China" NEDem Aug 2012 #157

This whole "skills shortage" thing a2liberal Aug 2012 #158

If There Really Was A Skills Shortage, Google Would Be Importing ITers from No. Europe Yavin4 Aug 2012 #169

Google Is A Mature Fortune 500 Company Under Intense Pressure by Wall Street To Return A Profit Yavin4 Aug 2012 #160

But shooting a nerf gun is a perk JoeyT Aug 2012 #166

There is a skills shortage rock Aug 2012 #163

You are more proof the Google is crap SmittynMo Aug 2012 #167

You are qualified, you simply won't work for slave wages. A living wage is needed in the USA, third mother earth Aug 2012 #172

I wanted to add my two cents. Although I have tremendous truedelphi Aug 2012 #173

people can hire IT to do some of the jobs remote now from places like Vietnam etc. lunasun Aug 2012 #179

Good post SnohoDem Aug 2012 #197

You nailed it... truedelphi Aug 2012 #204

Perhaps I should fight every injustice ... twins.fan Aug 2012 #201

Right now, dealing with all the issues that come with un and under- truedelphi Aug 2012 #203

Thanks truedelphi, twins.fan Aug 2012 #205

Again, my sympathy is for your situation. As far as google, truedelphi Aug 2012 #210

I knew a guy that worked for Google in their data center in Oregon indie9197 Aug 2012 #180

To everyone interested in this. You should watch this, if you haven't already.. interested11 Aug 2012 #181