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6. I'm torn with Avenatti.

Wed Oct 17, 2018, 01:11 PM

Oct 2018

He's a fighter and a bulldog, which you need when taking on Trump. At the same time, everyone has heard the expression "You don't mud wrestle with a pig - the pig likes it and you get muddy"

He would much rather everyone be talking about how he called Stormy Daniels "Horseface" rather than the actual problems in his administration. It's part of why he won in 2016, because people spent so much time talking about his insults that they didn't have time to think about how he didn't actually have any policy positions and how much better Hillary was.

Trump knows he's not smart enough to win in a battle of intelligence, so if he can turn it into a battle of insults, he'll win every time because he doesn't care what's being said about him as long as they aren't talking about policy.

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Michael Avenatti, please go away [View all] oberliner Oct 2018 OP

I agree. But just in case... The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #1

I think the op-ed makes some salient points oberliner Oct 2018 #3

Not surprised to see this on the swill anything to help the gop Fullduplexxx Oct 2018 #2

Steve Israel does not want to help the GOP oberliner Oct 2018 #4

It was the hill to which i refered when i made the crack about helping the gop Fullduplexxx Oct 2018 #24

Did you read the article? Steve Israel is a Democrat who does NOT want GOPers to win, The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #8

It was the hill to which i refered when i made the crack about helping the gop Fullduplexxx Oct 2018 #23

But The Hill published an article by a Democrat who does not want the GOP to win. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #26

But it's a democrat criticizing avenatti telling him to be quiet Fullduplexxx Oct 2018 #46

just out of curiosity, do you read the Intercept? shanny Oct 2018 #159

No. I don't have much use for Glen Greenwald. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #162

context shanny Oct 2018 #164

Well, not knowing much about the Intercept, I haven't the faintest idea The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #166

then maybe you should try expanding your horizons shanny Oct 2018 #167

I can assure you that The Hill isn't my only source of information. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #168

To each his own ... GeorgeGist Oct 2018 #5

But a smart fighter chooses his battles and his battlefields. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #10

The person who determines the terms of the debate wins. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2018 #13

I'm torn with Avenatti. bearsfootball516 Oct 2018 #6

So far, Avenatti's "taking on Trump" has consisted of lawsuits he hasn't actually won, The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #15

Isn't the Stormy Daniels lawsuit revelations the reason Cohen was raided? Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2018 #38

No. Cohen was already under federal investigation in New York for various financial crimes, The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #40

No jberryhill Oct 2018 #114

Speak for yourself. I love his involvement and method of getting under the trumpster's and yours monmouth4 Oct 2018 #7

+1 50 Shades Of Blue Oct 2018 #12

Avenatti seems to frustrate all the right people. nt LanternWaste Oct 2018 #30

Oh for sure.. Avenatti's participation in the Kavanaugh fallout87 Oct 2018 #44

As if the fix wasn't in already shanny Oct 2018 #86

Because if Avenatti didn't exist, it would have gone much better and we would have stopped Kavanaugh EffieBlack Oct 2018 #153

And how do you know what the outcome would have been? fallout87 Oct 2018 #154

Gee, Collins did that because she is an ASSHOLE who wants to denigrate anyone who Nay Oct 2018 #158

Seriously? EffieBlack Oct 2018 #169

I like his style-I like his combative nature redstateblues Oct 2018 #110

+1 blue cat Oct 2018 #126

The op-ed in the OP was written by Steve Israel oberliner Oct 2018 #140

He is currently a useful tool. WeekiWater Oct 2018 #9

What is the problem? JonLP24 Oct 2018 #11

See Post #16 Kingofalldems Oct 2018 #18

As Avenatti's neither a spokesman nor a candidate for the Democrats, LanternWaste Oct 2018 #14

Post removed Post removed Oct 2018 #16

I notice a trend here Va Lefty Oct 2018 #19

Many Democrats are critical of Avenatti and his approach oberliner Oct 2018 #33

Is Avenatti's approach to call Democrats delusional? LanternWaste Oct 2018 #39

Yes oberliner Oct 2018 #56

Annnnd many others are not and applaud his approach shanny Oct 2018 #165

Exactly oberliner Oct 2018 #171

It's called stalking. pintobean Oct 2018 #108

I will continue to respond to these attacks on Democrats. Kingofalldems Oct 2018 #127

Is Michael Avenatti a Democrat? pintobean Oct 2018 #146

He's been raising money for Dems since the summer. He has spooky3 Oct 2018 #156

Yeah, I think you missed the point. pintobean Oct 2018 #157

I don't think so. Nt spooky3 Oct 2018 #170

why yes he is a Democrat shanny Oct 2018 #160

+1, they are starting to get a little silly uponit7771 Oct 2018 #20

It's not silly oberliner Oct 2018 #34

Thank You for Diggin' That Up Stallion Oct 2018 #22

Hopefully the message has gotten through oberliner Oct 2018 #32

Please, more and more are hip to this nonsense. Kingofalldems Oct 2018 #41

Steve Israel is a Democrat oberliner Oct 2018 #52

See Post #16. Kingofalldems Oct 2018 #54

I hope people read all those posts you linked to in Post #16 oberliner Oct 2018 #61

Things often "seem" a way merely because we desire them to. LanternWaste Oct 2018 #63

That's a very good point oberliner Oct 2018 #78

No it doesn't. Kingofalldems Oct 2018 #77

Steve Israel (D) just wrote this op-ed calling for Avenatti to "go away" oberliner Oct 2018 #80

yep, from 2011 to 2014 shanny Oct 2018 #161

LOL! Well done! Squinch Oct 2018 #72

She's got an agenda all right, wonder if it's to divide Dems? Sure seems that way. brush Oct 2018 #122

On the other hand . . . mart48 Oct 2018 #17

But the pig always wins. You get dirty and the pig likes it. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #29

I believe more pork is consumed by humans ... 11 Bravo Oct 2018 #91

No doubt. But pigs are not turned into pork by getting into their pens and wrestling with them. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #95

welcome to DU gopiscrap Oct 2018 #150

I think a strategy can win votes AND headlines. David__77 Oct 2018 #21

Avenatti is an attorney standing up for his client, not a candidate running for public office. dameatball Oct 2018 #25

Avenatti on possible 2020 presidential run: 'I'm getting more serious by the week' oberliner Oct 2018 #51

Yeah, I know. But he is not a candidate at this time. I think we have plenty of good Democratic dameatball Oct 2018 #94

That's true oberliner Oct 2018 #103

Sorry Steve, this is what happens when you lose BeyondGeography Oct 2018 #27

Wow oberliner Oct 2018 #50

The only thing memorable about Steve Israel is the Jesus H. Gun joke that Conan O'Brien told BeyondGeography Oct 2018 #64

Then we can ask the Washington Generals how to beat the Globetrotters SaintLouisBlues Oct 2018 #28

Are you comparing the Democratic Party to the Washington Generals? oberliner Oct 2018 #36

Do you always ask obtuse questions? The answer to both questions is yes SaintLouisBlues Oct 2018 #43

It was rhetorical oberliner Oct 2018 #49

Yes, me and lots of other DU'ers have used this meme. This is where I learned the reference. And yes SaintLouisBlues Oct 2018 #58

Yes, I know that the Washington Generals always lose oberliner Oct 2018 #60

Surprised? Are you living under a bridge? SaintLouisBlues Oct 2018 #73

Why yes! Yes he does! ret5hd Oct 2018 #79

I respect and admire the Democratic Party oberliner Oct 2018 #112

definitions are so...flexible these days shanny Oct 2018 #163

That is funny! redstateblues Oct 2018 #109

I really don' take Avenatti seriously TheRealNorth Oct 2018 #31

He's a lawyer who doesn't hold any public office. BlueStater Oct 2018 #35

He is running for president oberliner Oct 2018 #37

And that's exactly why he tries so hard to get media face time, The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #42

My thoughts exactly oberliner Oct 2018 #48

I think it's strange oberliner that you post OPs attacking him on a regular basis. Kingofalldems Oct 2018 #53

I'm proud to stand with the many Democrats who are raising these points oberliner Oct 2018 #59

Why? Dorian Gray Oct 2018 #113

He's aggressive and brash Dorian Gray Oct 2018 #111

No Gregory Peccary Oct 2018 #67

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Oct 2018 #74

Fixated on Avenatti, are you? Polly Hennessey Oct 2018 #45

Steve Israel (D) wrote this op-ed oberliner Oct 2018 #47

Avenatti IS doing fine. That makes some people very, very upset. Squinch Oct 2018 #71

Working hard again, I see. Squinch Oct 2018 #55

Hopefully the message has gotten through oberliner Oct 2018 #57

Oh, your message is loud and clear. And no, I won't give the op ed "reflection." Squinch Oct 2018 #70

Avenatti is free to speak as he chooses. We all are. MineralMan Oct 2018 #62

No. I would rather Aveanetti stay. Israel should know that Trump will in no way Autumn Oct 2018 #65

Why does our side have to abandon civility because of Trump? oberliner Oct 2018 #84

What leads you to believe one voice is representative of "our side?" LanternWaste Oct 2018 #88

That's a very good point oberliner Oct 2018 #100

Ah, but there is only one permissible perspective on Avenatti jberryhill Oct 2018 #116

Why do we have to be civil with asshole bullies like Trump and the Republicans? Autumn Oct 2018 #96

Because we are not like them oberliner Oct 2018 #101

That's the whole problem. We play nice and work with them and they hate us, mock us Autumn Oct 2018 #107

There is plenty of room for Avenatti in the Dem party Gregory Peccary Oct 2018 #66

Steve Israel is my former Congressman Danmel Oct 2018 #68

I agree with Avenatti and Holder lancelyons Oct 2018 #69

So the congressman wants us to be snowflakes dembotoz Oct 2018 #75

He wants us to "fight to make health care more affordable for everyone" oberliner Oct 2018 #82

By Rolling over and playing dead??? Hell no dembotoz Oct 2018 #98

By focusing on the issues and avoiding childish name-calling oberliner Oct 2018 #99

Really?? Bullshit dembotoz Oct 2018 #119

That's what he says in the OP oberliner Oct 2018 #121

U roll over and play dead..I fight.. period dembotoz Oct 2018 #123

That's not a fair characterization of the argument being made in the OP oberliner Oct 2018 #128

Looks fair to me...possum ain't my style..good luck tho dembotoz Oct 2018 #143

Thanks for posting this SCantiGOP Oct 2018 #76

You're welcome oberliner Oct 2018 #81

Kick ass and take names oswaldactedalone Oct 2018 #83

+1000 Va Lefty Oct 2018 #87

This message was self-deleted by its author Doremus Oct 2018 #85

Steve Israel doesn't speak for me shanny Oct 2018 #89

Look Sprite Oct 2018 #90

Loathe him or love him gay texan Oct 2018 #92

Avenatti bashers please go away. (nt) lordbateman Oct 2018 #93

Welcome to DU oberliner Oct 2018 #106

Good rule of thumb: if the OP is for it, so is the GOP. John Fante Oct 2018 #97

Steve Israel has spent his life fighting the GOP oberliner Oct 2018 #105

Good to see more and more DUers seeing the light. Kingofalldems Oct 2018 #115

LOL, nice try. nt USALiberal Oct 2018 #102

Steve Israel (former Democratic Party CC chair) wrote this op-ed oberliner Oct 2018 #104

What's your agenda? You keep posting this stuff as if you're trying to divide Democrats. brush Oct 2018 #117

The OP is an op-ed written by the former chair of the Democratic Party CC oberliner Oct 2018 #118

It's promotes division so why post it? brush Oct 2018 #120

Ding Ding jcgoldie Oct 2018 #124

It promotes a spirited discussion among people with the shared goal of electing Democrats oberliner Oct 2018 #129

See post 120. We are all Democrats. Time to stop the divisiveness. brush Oct 2018 #135

Criticism of Michael Avenatti is not divisive oberliner Oct 2018 #138

How many time do you plan to do this? Move on already as it makes some wonder... brush Oct 2018 #141

If Steve Israel didn't belong to the Spineless Democrats Club, we wouldn't need Avenatti. Vinca Oct 2018 #125

In what way do you find him to be spineless? oberliner Oct 2018 #130

This post is the first time I've heard his name mentioned in a year or more. Vinca Oct 2018 #145

Fair enough oberliner Oct 2018 #149

Me, too. I wish he would get more involved again. Vinca Oct 2018 #151

Oh, oberliner. betsuni Oct 2018 #131

No need for the kick oberliner Oct 2018 #132

Hell is other people. betsuni Oct 2018 #133

I bolded the section that I thought was most worthy of consideration oberliner Oct 2018 #134

... betsuni Oct 2018 #136

Thank you for sharing your insights oberliner Oct 2018 #139

When your void of.. disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #137

Are we really so shallow lillypaddle Oct 2018 #142

I'm not a fan of Avenatti, but the old dogma about running on "solutions" is dead Azathoth Oct 2018 #144

Avenatti will be our candidate for President! Bonx Oct 2018 #147

Do you really think so? oberliner Oct 2018 #148

Please stop bashing him! Kajun Gal Oct 2018 #152

Oh my God!!!! Chickensoup Oct 2018 #155