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vi5

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31. My issue is not with a smattering of conservative Democratic Senators....
Wed Oct 17, 2018, 08:23 PM
Oct 2018

...but once we are in the majority and have the power we have to come up with a better way of handling those handful of conservative Dems rather than doing what we have essentially done in the past which is given them de facto veto power over all legislation and handing control of our party over to their re-election campaigns.

Part of what I hear from a lot of non-voting but Democratic friendly types is that even if they are voting for a really liberal candidate, who best represents their district, or their state or whatever......the person they are voting for is only going to be allowed to be as progressive as the Dem caucuses most conservative members allow them to be.

The fact that Max Baucus and Blanche Lincoln were handed almost complete control of what our healthcare bill was and was not allowed to have in it, is one of the reasons it was so piecemeal and tenuous in strength and thus so easily painted as bad and eventually dismantled.

So absolutely. I'm fine with Manchin and/or any other conservative members in our caucus. But their comparatively minuscule numbers should not dictate what the rest of the party is or is not allowed to do, especially with slim margins in place to begin with.

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I once slammed Joe Manchin. I regret it [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2018 OP
I agree with you. We need every Democratic Senator we can get to skylucy Oct 2018 #1
he is the only type we would get in that state JI7 Oct 2018 #2
Same is true of Tennessee. Those angry at Bredesen will be sickened by a Senator Blackburn. Funtatlaguy Oct 2018 #3
As a red stater it is frustrating when blue staters complain about redstateblues Oct 2018 #4
I'm a red starter (thank heavens not for long) a la izquierda Oct 2018 #11
It is that mindset that contributed to what happened in 2000 and 2016. It is what I call the all or still_one Oct 2018 #22
Like it or not, it is about the numbers Bradshaw3 Oct 2018 #5
Getting 60% of what we want from Manchin and Bredesen TheRealNorth Oct 2018 #6
Trump has a +29 approval rating in WV Polybius Oct 2018 #7
The Democrats in W VA want a progressive. Bernie Sanders proved it. Snotcicles Oct 2018 #55
Key word "primary" Polybius Oct 2018 #63
Post removed Post removed Oct 2018 #72
... mcar Oct 2018 #74
But in a General Election Democrats, republicans, and unaffiliated vote, not just Democrats. George II Oct 2018 #75
No reason not to "slam" him when he screws up... FBaggins Oct 2018 #8
A Democrat who votes with Democrats 70-80% of the time is a better alternative than a republican.... George II Oct 2018 #9
yes, that was the time. Do you remember the tone of such an idea that was floating around here then? JCanete Oct 2018 #13
No. George II Oct 2018 #14
Hehe...exactly. nt JCanete Oct 2018 #16
Amazing isn't it? melman Oct 2018 #19
frustrating, and likely recyclable the next time midterms come up. nt JCanete Oct 2018 #21
If "they" happened, perhaps you can direct me to where they happened? Not just one or two... George II Oct 2018 #40
Red Sox ahead late, off to bed now. I guess "inconvenient things never happened".... George II Oct 2018 #65
Not sure why you think I'm obligated melman Oct 2018 #67
It's not a "game" - you claimed that I "pretend inconvenient things never happened". So..... George II Oct 2018 #76
The only person that should be regretting anything is Joe Manchin JonLP24 Oct 2018 #10
Post removed Post removed Oct 2018 #12
I don't recall anyone here saying that primaries are bad. I'm sure there were a smattering... George II Oct 2018 #15
Really? You don't recall anybody saying "now is not the time?" over and over and over? JCanete Oct 2018 #18
No. George II Oct 2018 #33
nor the framing that was repeated over and over of any primiary challenger that that person or JCanete Oct 2018 #69
He is the ONLY Democrat among all the Congressional office holders from his state. pnwmom Oct 2018 #17
My issue with this thinking is that for one, it has arrested us in these states for decades. We JCanete Oct 2018 #20
Manchin was opposed in the Democratic Primary by a progressive, she was endorsed by.... George II Oct 2018 #38
are you serious? You know it takes money coming from somewhere right? Particularly JCanete Oct 2018 #68
I don't think I missed "the din here". George II Oct 2018 #77
If West Virginia Democrats and their choices upset you, you could always move to West Virginia. JHan Oct 2018 #25
Yes of course melman Oct 2018 #26
It's just a suggestion. :) JHan Oct 2018 #27
No need to move there, but you could have contributed to Manchin's DEMOCRATIC primary opponent.... George II Oct 2018 #34
My concerns about Manchin EffieBlack Oct 2018 #23
I don't know about that first one. musicblind Oct 2018 #70
Heitkamp was already pretty far behind EffieBlack Oct 2018 #73
Agree, DemocratSinceBirth. I'm not crazy about Manchin, Hortensis Oct 2018 #24
This is really quite simple tymorial Oct 2018 #28
Precisely, when the number is 51, Mitch McConnell isn't Majority Leader any longer.... George II Oct 2018 #35
By George I think you got it tymorial Oct 2018 #41
Touche... George II Oct 2018 #44
Post removed Post removed Oct 2018 #29
Actually it does-for committees, for getting bills to the floor, for investigating, issuing redstateblues Oct 2018 #30
I agree with you regarding Bredesen..M Blackheart should never be a asiliveandbreathe Oct 2018 #32
What constitutes a "DINO" in your mind? George II Oct 2018 #36
In the current atmosphere - ANY Democratic Senator who votes 60% with this asiliveandbreathe Oct 2018 #47
In terms of setting the agenda, you bet it does. tymorial Oct 2018 #42
Respectfully, you are flat incorrect. GulfCoast66 Oct 2018 #43
Okay okay - lets give Manchin 6 more years....you think that is going to change where asiliveandbreathe Oct 2018 #45
Joe Manchin and Patrick Morrisey are on the ballot in 20 days. Who would you vote for? George II Oct 2018 #46
I understand....there is NO choice for WV....it is too bad Manchin has been able to asiliveandbreathe Oct 2018 #49
Well, I don't consider DEMOCRATIC Senator Joe Manchin a "DINO" or a turncoat. We disagree. George II Oct 2018 #51
Okay..then, I will agree to disagree.....but then.... asiliveandbreathe Oct 2018 #52
And against trump more often than any other republican senator. George II Oct 2018 #64
and this...Manchin said, "it was a mistake politically" to endorse Clinton. asiliveandbreathe Oct 2018 #54
I want all Democratic Senate candidates to win. GulfCoast66 Oct 2018 #48
SO do I...but for Dems to give this guy 6 more years...and then watch Heidi Heidkamp asiliveandbreathe Oct 2018 #50
At the risk of sounding brutal... GulfCoast66 Oct 2018 #53
That is tame compared to some who comment..I enjoy a good debate... asiliveandbreathe Oct 2018 #56
I disagree with nothing in your post GulfCoast66 Oct 2018 #57
I live in Maracopa County AZ..talk about being a petunia in an onion patch... asiliveandbreathe Oct 2018 #58
I am not totally pessimistic GulfCoast66 Oct 2018 #60
Obamacare ACA does not pass without DINO's aeromanKC Oct 2018 #59
It does make Chuck Schumer in charge. musicblind Oct 2018 #71
My issue is not with a smattering of conservative Democratic Senators.... vi5 Oct 2018 #31
Recommended for common sense. Nt BootinUp Oct 2018 #37
We need to win this race is we want to control the senate Gothmog Oct 2018 #39
it's all about the goals zipplewrath Oct 2018 #61
I don't regret slamming him. BlueTsunami2018 Oct 2018 #62
Same here mvd Oct 2018 #66
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