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180. I supported Bernie up to the convention and I know we're going to have Blue Wave ...

Tue Oct 23, 2018, 09:03 AM

Oct 2018

not because of Bernies "implied" reverse psychology but because we are going to fix state offices and Congress. We're going to win not because of high school cleverness to unsophisticated and timid voters. If the crap the POTUS and his compliant 5% Congress can't get us out to vote, Bernie claiming as a ploy( to get us vote) that there is no Blue Wave sure is not going to do it.

There will be a Blue Wave because if there isn't a lot of our lives are in the balance. The notion of an American way of life is in the balance. Bernie's wrong if he believes his statement, and his way to allegedly fire up the vote is wrong minded, if that's his intent to begin with and I do not believe it is.

I believe he's trying to co-opt the Democratic Party for his 2020 elections plans.

2020 is too late to take on cheetolini and his Nazi Congress. We're going to at least start the process this November, we are voting in absolutely record numbers right now and there's no reason to believe we won't keep it up until the polls close on Nov 6. Bernie and Michael Moore's attempts at high school-ish motivational psychology or not.

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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) thinks there is reason to doubt the predicted "blue wave" in next month' [View all] brooklynite Oct 2018 OP

Who on the left would benefit from a disappointing year? RandySF Oct 2018 #1

This line would warrant a BAN from this website if Bernie were posting here Eliot Rosewater Oct 2018 #9

Then why don't you tell us? melman Oct 2018 #13

are you being obtuse? WhiteTara Oct 2018 #59

No at all melman Oct 2018 #63

I think the post speaks for itself, and glad it's there. George II Oct 2018 #80

Great melman Oct 2018 #85

No thank you.... George II Oct 2018 #90

What is your concern? Cary Oct 2018 #133

What? melman Oct 2018 #136

But they also expressed a desire to not answer your question Cary Oct 2018 #141

I'm beginning to think there might not really be anything going on melman Oct 2018 #143

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may the force be with us all. sheshe2 Oct 2018 #159

Ha! Cary Oct 2018 #169

Sometimes there's a method. George II Oct 2018 #66

Then, there is the madness! WhiteTara Oct 2018 #67

Indeed. George II Oct 2018 #71

Don't think so zipplewrath Oct 2018 #17

No. look at this line Eliot Rosewater Oct 2018 #19

No zipplewrath Oct 2018 #20

Uh huh... Eliot Rosewater Oct 2018 #23

Either zipplewrath Oct 2018 #26

Try cashing a check with an implied signature. I supported Bernie ... marble falls Oct 2018 #173

Oh for f*cks sake. A check is a legal document. A partial quote of a verbal conversation without... Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2018 #184

"Oh for f*cks sake." Triggered! betsuni Oct 2018 #187

"Oh for Fucks sake"!! Cha Oct 2018 #242

At least it's better than "FFS" or "I lulzed". N/T lapucelle Oct 2018 #247

I think the full quote makes the context clear... InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #201

People all throughout the party are saying the same thing. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2018 #203

I have not heard Democrats say this...another reason why I will not support Sen. Sanders in the Demsrule86 Oct 2018 #275

Exactly G_j Oct 2018 #229

Absolutely my understanding as well. pangaia Oct 2018 #262

Or a caution zipplewrath Oct 2018 #193

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Exactly! Where is his dose of reality about his "revolution" and why/how R B Garr Oct 2018 #199

I agree about ..either. pangaia Oct 2018 #261

Yeah, it means if we take the house or the senate we have an entity to stand up to trump. Hassin Bin Sober Oct 2018 #31

+1 Power 2 the People Oct 2018 #152

Your Bernie hate is clouding your brain. Ace Rothstein Oct 2018 #73

So true... what is going on here? InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #205

You're wasting your time. theaocp Oct 2018 #27

+1 Evidently that's the case. lagomorph777 Oct 2018 #28

Sad but true... it'a like "Bizarro World." Instead of applauding Bernie for his InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #208

Dems will fight each other on simple things like this or what potty is used. lancelyons Oct 2018 #53

The 8 percenters are mild here! They are completely batshit on twitter m-lekktor Oct 2018 #87

"Bernie haters"? "It's what they do"? Seems a bit of derogatory talk toward DEMOCRATS... George II Oct 2018 #98

so, as a democrat BigGermanGuy Oct 2018 #225

We're talking about comments made today about actions in 2018. 2016 is history. George II Oct 2018 #228

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Maybe you could explain what you like about Bernie going back to Independent. R B Garr Oct 2018 #233

Didn't Bernie go back to Independent? What do you like about that? nt R B Garr Oct 2018 #232

There's no "either" in that sentence. George II Oct 2018 #75

Which is what "implied" means zipplewrath Oct 2018 #76

"We have an entity (congress) to stand up to the president, or we dont" Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #48

Likely they don't have enough "Hate Bernie" stamps to equal a free drink yet. n/t theaocp Oct 2018 #50

"They"? Who are the "they" that you're referring to? George II Oct 2018 #95

Calling posters "Bernie haters" is, once again, de rigueur - and acceptable - on DU. OilemFirchen Oct 2018 #108

+1,000,000 George II Oct 2018 #109

Not always.. Cha Oct 2018 #115

This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Oct 2018 #107

Get up on the wrong side of the bed? ehrnst Oct 2018 #238

It's clearly not an attack on Democrats... and we all know it. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #209

Huh? whathehell Oct 2018 #101

Correct. He is using the Michael Moore method. He doesn't want Dems to get complacent. LBM20 Oct 2018 #70

Didn't Moore vote for Nader? John Fante Oct 2018 #103

Yes, here's what he said at a Nader rally at MSG in 2000: George II Oct 2018 #142

Michael Moore lives and votes (and campaigns) in Michigan. Going into Election Day.... George II Oct 2018 #119

The Michael Moore GOTV method?!!! Hortensis Oct 2018 #278

How does insinuating "we're not going to win" get out the vote? Did he SAY "get out and vote"? George II Oct 2018 #72

Well, we don't see the whole interview zipplewrath Oct 2018 #77

"Seems"? This is politics, one doesn't "seem", one SAYS. George II Oct 2018 #78

lol melman Oct 2018 #79

Huh? That's funny? I fail to see the humor. George II Oct 2018 #81

Very melman Oct 2018 #82

Well, to borrow a phrase...."then maybe you can explain what's really going on." George II Oct 2018 #91

Well to borrow another melman Oct 2018 #97

And if I could see the whole interview zipplewrath Oct 2018 #84

I'm just reading the words that are posted, I try not to "presume" anything. If it's.... George II Oct 2018 #94

But there are more words zipplewrath Oct 2018 #104

YES, he has been campaigning TIRELESSLY telling Dems to GET OUT AND VOTE. LBM20 Oct 2018 #123

Lol. Bfd Oct 2018 #135

I hope his tour will stop in Vermont to campaign for the Democratic challenger for governor. lapucelle Oct 2018 #286

Bingo. That's the acid test question. It doesn't get the vote out. It suppresses ... marble falls Oct 2018 #174

I'm with you, Elliot. Sometimes I feel like the Russian troll farm has gotten ... marble falls Oct 2018 #171

No one would be banned for that statement on DU. aikoaiko Oct 2018 #183

I find Sen Sanders word construct to be illuminating grantcart Oct 2018 #218

That's a great analysis. lapucelle Oct 2018 #241

I noticed that subtle change from "millionaires and billionaires" to "billionaires" months ago. George II Oct 2018 #258

All that means is that if the Dems win, congress will be "an entity able to stand up to tblue37 Oct 2018 #271

Bookmarked! Scurrilous Oct 2018 #2

I'm going to start a thread violetpastille Oct 2018 #3

All very good questions! I demand answers! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #7

And the point would be that Sanders is not saying grantcart Oct 2018 #221

Republicans are the enemy. betsuni Oct 2018 #273

it won't hit us in WI jodymarie aimee Oct 2018 #4

I am so darn tired of him right now. redstatebluegirl Oct 2018 #5

You're not alone in those feelings... NurseJackie Oct 2018 #37

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Ah... you noticed that too, eh? NurseJackie Oct 2018 #40

So Tiresome Me. Oct 2018 #8

Seriously? He's fundraising FOR Democratic candidates but KEEPING HALF for himself? NurseJackie Oct 2018 #47

You Gotta Give The Guy Credit Me. Oct 2018 #51

I prefer to donate directly to a candidate, OR then DCCC, or the DNC... NurseJackie Oct 2018 #56

Exactly Me. Oct 2018 #57

Or the State Democratic Party. George II Oct 2018 #121

Excellent advice. NurseJackie Oct 2018 #140

I Quite Agree With You Me. Oct 2018 #213

For the life of me, I don't understand why someone would contribute to a campaign via.... George II Oct 2018 #214

Exactly Me. Oct 2018 #215

That's the way it should be. The option to split your contribution should be just that.... George II Oct 2018 #216

And he's supported for that too. If a Democrat did it they would be villified till they Bfd Oct 2018 #74

Tom Perez just said the exact same thing on cnn Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #93

Yup. Pretty mich any Democrat paying attention since 2015, is aware of it Bfd Oct 2018 #100

Not to me. Not to anyone who's been paying attention. NurseJackie Oct 2018 #106

But you have to dig to find that out... George II Oct 2018 #61

Well, hello there! Howdy-do! Good to see you! NurseJackie Oct 2018 #224

... Me. Oct 2018 #234

Brilliantly Stated, Me.. and Dead On. Cha Oct 2018 #235

Aloha pehea ʻoe Cha Me. Oct 2018 #249

Grand! pehea ʻoe? Cha Oct 2018 #251

maikaʻi loa Me. Oct 2018 #257

Have you been to Hawaii, Me? Cha Oct 2018 #259

No But Want To Me. Oct 2018 #265

It's not "silly" at all. It's awesome! I love different Cha Oct 2018 #267

Content de te revoir ! lapucelle Oct 2018 #240

Merci Bien Me. Oct 2018 #248

Todd Rundgren - Hello It's Me (1972) sheshe2 Oct 2018 #264

... Me. Oct 2018 #266

Why do politicians think they can scare voters into the booth by telling them to standingtall Oct 2018 #10

Because it works Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #52

Everyone who said it might be close was accused of 'concern trolling' melman Oct 2018 #54

And many accusers probably didnt vote Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #60

Democrats won the popular vote in 2016 standingtall Oct 2018 #89

Do you have a source for this data? Which analysts said this? (nt) ehrnst Oct 2018 #177

It's not entirely true that the reason Democrats lost in 2016 was because many Democrats.... George II Oct 2018 #227

And, yet Hillary got 3 million more VOTES than the asshole. Cha Oct 2018 #281

I could happily go for 20 years without hearing about Bernie YessirAtsaFact Oct 2018 #11

If he becomes the nominee Guppy Oct 2018 #12

why would you no longer be a Democrat if Sanders somehow wins the 2020 Democratic nomination? Celerity Oct 2018 #44

Agree! If he were to become the candidate, or run as an independent we will loose Thekaspervote Oct 2018 #102

So does Trump. ismnotwasm Oct 2018 #14

Does anyone really think it will be a blow out? I think it will be close too. Autumn Oct 2018 #15

Various forms of "close" zipplewrath Oct 2018 #34

Whether it's a "blowout" or not.. BS isn't helping. Cha Oct 2018 #116

There are 435 House elections and 33 Senate elections. Some will be blowouts for Democrats.... George II Oct 2018 #117

With gerrymandering, it will be a blowout or we lose...Virginia was won with over 10 points in Demsrule86 Oct 2018 #276

Half of the people reading this theaocp Oct 2018 #16

I'll take option one in that case. comradebillyboy Oct 2018 #21

Winner winner chicken dinner theaocp Oct 2018 #24

Does it matter who they dislike, as long as they vote Democratic? (nt) ehrnst Oct 2018 #217

Thanks Bernie. We know we can always count on you when we need smirkymonkey Oct 2018 #18

Bernie is the greatest! NurseJackie Oct 2018 #49

.......... George II Oct 2018 #239

............. melman Oct 2018 #246

Oh, melman. betsuni Oct 2018 #274

lol betsuni melman Oct 2018 #279

"what we want is for people to blow smoke up our tail-holes Dammit!" JCanete Oct 2018 #284

Doesn't this actually encourage voting? melman Oct 2018 #22

Come on now. There hasn't been one of these since Autumn Oct 2018 #25

Yeah, just because there are so many who don't Cha Oct 2018 #120

You call it a "hate thread". I call it Not liking another thing BS Cha Oct 2018 #118

Oh it's the Eleven Films tweet again melman Oct 2018 #122

Haha.. Deal with it. Cha Oct 2018 #124

This is a great one. I don't know why people would be upset with highlighting: George II Oct 2018 #149

So Brilliant! Mahalo for this Blue Wave Trailer, George! Cha Oct 2018 #150

What's the problem with the Eleven Films tweet? George II Oct 2018 #128

Did someone say there was a problem? melman Oct 2018 #130

Read your message that I responded to. If you didn't have a problem.... George II Oct 2018 #134

Oh, melman. betsuni Oct 2018 #153

Oh betsuni melman Oct 2018 #154

Oh Betsuni! sheshe2 Oct 2018 #256

I just saw that Eleven Films tweet for the first time and LOVE the positive energy! betsuni Oct 2018 #151

YES INDEEDY, betsuni! FIRED UP AND READY TO GO!! Cha Oct 2018 #155

Yes, we can! Thanks, Obama! betsuni Oct 2018 #156

Yeah, THANKS OBAMA! Cha Oct 2018 #157

Thank you for posting this. Feel better that Obama will be fighting for us. betsuni Oct 2018 #158

lol & "We turned Nevada BLUE Twice with President Barack Obama!" Cha Oct 2018 #160

Your second Meme is echoing Bernie's comment. aikoaiko Oct 2018 #189

It's a pictue of a woman riding a blue wave. lapucelle Oct 2018 #245

I was referring to the Blue Tsunami (if we vote) meme that you posted. aikoaiko Oct 2018 #268

BS said he doesn't "believe talk about a blue wave and all that stuff". lapucelle Oct 2018 #272

Both Cha and Bernie are acknowledging the Blue Wave won't happen.... aikoaiko Oct 2018 #282

"I know a lot of people talk about this blue wave and all that stuff, but I don't believe it." lapucelle Oct 2018 #285

No. It encourages dispair, and staying at home because why bother. ehrnst Oct 2018 #175

Correct! That's exactly what it does. Why would anyone do that, say that, post that? Who benefits? NurseJackie Oct 2018 #277

Stop with the logic... you're makin' WAY too much sense!! InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #210

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Many people agree with you. NurseJackie Oct 2018 #32

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I love you! NurseJackie Oct 2018 #33

Love you back! NastyRiffraff Oct 2018 #39

Why bother posting? theaocp Oct 2018 #35

This message was self-deleted by its author VOX Oct 2018 #55

Why does he insult Dems but want to use the Dem Party as an asset irisblue Oct 2018 #43

He said it was ethically OK for him to join the Democratic party to run for POTUS for $$ and media: ehrnst Oct 2018 #172

I've read those quotes before. NurseJackie Oct 2018 #181

+1 betsuni Oct 2018 #185

The Hill ain't our friend zipplewrath Oct 2018 #36

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Yeah that's a funny thing melman Oct 2018 #45

Thanks for the "haterade" comment, but I think the Hill is universally frowned upon. George II Oct 2018 #105

So why did Bernie agree to interview with them? namahage Oct 2018 #269

Hopefully this will serve to motivate Democrats to get out the vote oberliner Oct 2018 #38

It appears to be his intent zipplewrath Oct 2018 #46

It's almost impressive to me... Docreed2003 Oct 2018 #58

Yes Sir The Polack MSgt Oct 2018 #62

There has been no positive action yet Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #64

I agree with managing expectations completely Docreed2003 Oct 2018 #68

Good thing he's not a football coach dalton99a Oct 2018 #131

For some we're nitpicking, but there really is the belief out there *especially among young people* JHan Oct 2018 #222

I agree completely... Docreed2003 Oct 2018 #223

Claiming there might not be a "blue wave", i.e., Democratic win, discourages some to NOT do somethin George II Oct 2018 #145

I'm the opposite of "impressed" by BS always Cha Oct 2018 #83

Yep. ++ JHan Oct 2018 #110

This was one comment. The guy has been busting his ass holding GOTV rallies. Let's not read too much LBM20 Oct 2018 #126

There were other similar comments, and in some of his speeches he barely mentioned Democrats... George II Oct 2018 #132

If a Democratic leader had said this, they would be called defeatist. (nt) ehrnst Oct 2018 #176

+1000 Docreed2003 Oct 2018 #191

and after the blue wave comes many will give him the majority of the credit. grantcart Oct 2018 #243

Look at me!!!!!! Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2018 #65

He is using the Michael Moore method. He doesn't want Dems to get complacent. LBM20 Oct 2018 #69

Yeah, I really don't need BS' "intentions" to be Cha Oct 2018 #92

It is important to understand INTENTIONS even if how they do it may not be what we prefer. LBM20 Oct 2018 #125

Nah.. "I don't believe it" Cha Oct 2018 #127

Or he's trying to make the case for "predicting" what voters want better than the Democrats. (nt) ehrnst Oct 2018 #179

Wonder if Topics should get locked zipplewrath Oct 2018 #86

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After the 2020 primary...and I don't believe Sen. Sanders will run or if he does win. Demsrule86 Oct 2018 #99

I would but only if he's the Democratic candidate. But that will never happen. George II Oct 2018 #112

Good Point, George.. Cha Oct 2018 #114

I agree. No one gets the Democratic nomination without the votes of women of color. (nt) ehrnst Oct 2018 #178

That's right.. our most loyal and energetic Cha Oct 2018 #186

I won't vote for him in a primary even if ran as a Democrat in primary...vote for a different Demsrule86 Oct 2018 #198

He won't run. He isn't transparent enough to even get on the ballot in some states now. MrsCoffee Oct 2018 #195

I agree... Demsrule86 Oct 2018 #197

The Opposite of BS.. BREAKING: #BlueWave imminent! Cha Oct 2018 #96

But then what if Dems stay home because they think, "Ah well, gonna win no matter what. No need to LBM20 Oct 2018 #129

#BLUE WAVE.. IT SAYS "WHEN WE VOTE"!!!!!! Cha Oct 2018 #138

"If"? Sounds like you have doubts. aikoaiko Oct 2018 #190

When you thought you were once riding a wave of your own... WeekiWater Oct 2018 #111

Yeah, you just might. Cha Oct 2018 #137

Good point. betsuni Oct 2018 #146

I can't stand Bernie. But will defend him here. GulfCoast66 Oct 2018 #113

No close calls in democrats taking the house, only question is by beachbum bob Oct 2018 #139

My first thought was he's (inadvertently) giving cover to trump & russia; on the other hand, ecstatic Oct 2018 #147

I tend to agree with him because a lot of young Democrats don't vote. Oneironaut Oct 2018 #148

Dems Must Vote-No Excuses!! Irishxs Oct 2018 #161

Don't boo. Vote! aikoaiko Oct 2018 #162

He apparently Jamaal510 Oct 2018 #163

+1 Cha Oct 2018 #170

omg, really?! Absolutely unnecessary and self-serving negative R B Garr Oct 2018 #164

Bernie's repeating J.D. Scholten's message to voters. .99center Oct 2018 #165

What does this mean: "I don't necessarily believe in a blue wave, I believe in earning votes"? betsuni Oct 2018 #166

Scholten's running in a conservative area, against Steve King. .99center Oct 2018 #167

Join the BLUE WAVE! Cha Oct 2018 #168

I supported Bernie up to the convention and I know we're going to have Blue Wave ... marble falls Oct 2018 #180

+100. Dissident politicians require the failure of those they'd replace. Hortensis Oct 2018 #192

"And election wins in 2018 will affect the 2020 census and thus help repair the disastrous ... marble falls Oct 2018 #200

Yes. For sure. Of course this is the real world, Hortensis Oct 2018 #212

Work under the assumption he is correct Algernon Moncrieff Oct 2018 #182

On one hand it can motivate folks to vote. On the proverbial other hand it can depress people. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2018 #188

DSB, this comment was brilliant saidsimplesimon Oct 2018 #226

TY. I'm still bruised from the Bernie wars. DemocratSinceBirth Oct 2018 #236

BETTER BELIEVE IT! MrsCoffee Oct 2018 #194

Unrec. MrsCoffee Oct 2018 #196

Is Bernie a Democrat today? Tarc Oct 2018 #204

Ha! NurseJackie Oct 2018 #255

Cheers! Tarc Oct 2018 #263

Nice of you to not post his entire comments, which are about GOTV Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2018 #206

It's clear what Bernie is saying... everybody knows it true. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2018 #211

His GOTV speeches have been intense and G_j Oct 2018 #231

The NYT and the Hill.TV interviews are different. namahage Oct 2018 #270

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Way to go to depress the vote Bernie! Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2018 #219

Many people share your feelings. NurseJackie Oct 2018 #252

Way to piss on the parade, Bern Blue_Tires Oct 2018 #220

It serves no good purpose... NurseJackie Oct 2018 #253

Its more like pissing into the Blue Wave revmclaren Oct 2018 #260

Too Funny Me. Oct 2018 #280

Senator Grouch is at it again lanlady Oct 2018 #237

Ha! NurseJackie Oct 2018 #254

"Entity" sheesh. Even our plainest spoken have no internal digestion organs. gulliver Oct 2018 #244

It is not in the bank quaker bill Oct 2018 #250

Another example of Bernie's political sense. namahage Oct 2018 #283

Well that inspires confidence still_one Feb 2020 #287