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truedelphi

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173. I wanted to add my two cents. Although I have tremendous
Tue Aug 14, 2012, 03:15 PM
Aug 2012

Sympathy for anyone in the iT crowd who cannot find work in this time of "Globalization," how did people in this crowd feel when the textile workers lost their jobs back in the mid-eighties as those jobs went overseas?

Or when Flint Michigan shut down in the late eighties and the well- paying auto jobs were sent south of the border? If the subject of the auto workers losing their jobs was broached, I heard lots of derisive comments, about what did the unwashed, unschooled, illiterate, non-skilled workers expect - a lifetime doing nothing for huge Union Pay? (Never mind that some of the people on the auto line had more common sense, mechanical expertise and ability than some couch-potatoey computer person ever would have. )

I lived in Silicon Valley in the Eighties, and it was a constant litany of: "I've done the right thing and gone to school and gotten my degree in math/computer science, and gotten certified by Apple. And/
Or IBM or MicroSoft, and I know my programming languages.

"Anyone else in the world that didn't do this is pretty much an idiot, and who can cry for them when their job goes away? If the textile workers really wanted a job, they'd have gone to the schools I attended and taken the classes I took, and then they'd still have jobs."

Anyway that was the mantra I heard again and again. Some of my friends from, SV didn't even want to watch "Roger and Me" when it was released, as after all the car industry workers were lazy assed sluggards who should have, you guessed it, gone to computer school.

I was at some point in my life afflicted with Multiple Chemical Sensitivities, which meant I couldn't be around fragrances and other substances prevalent in offices. I went into the home health field, in part because I was suited for it, and in part because I was therefore away from the constant perfume, the toner and fax machine chems (Those weren't digital operations, back in the day) etc. present in offices everywhere.

And when for a year or two in the early nineties, my job opportunities dropped significantly because of the open border policy, I got little sympathy from the Silicon Valley crowd.

If someone from south of the border wanted to do my job for a lot less, well more power to my employer. The IT crowd members were clueless about considering whether is it really fair to have granma around someone from Shanghai who doesn't speak English and doesn't know the slightest thing about how medicines can be mis-prescribed, nor would they understand that the therapy routines printed out on the refrigerator actually need to be be done, and what not.

Now the tight and painful shoes of job competition from open borders and globalization are being laced up on the IT crowd's darling feet. And suddenly it is the end of the world. But you know something - if you IT crowd folks hadn't been so clueless about how workers in America needed protection - right from the get go - thirty five years ago -and had united with other workers, now we wouldn't be in this damn situation now!

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United We Stand - Divided We Fall. Well we are falling now and it may be too damn late as the PTB understood to take us down one industry at a time!
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Yea, I've been through those weed-out interviews. tridim Aug 2012 #1
Yep. Welcome to my world: applying for jobs that aren't really there. It's all CYA. & They wonder patrice Aug 2012 #2
Sorry, you're overqualified for fast food work. Fumesucker Aug 2012 #3
It's particularly galling because the people I know with the strongest anti-government patrice Aug 2012 #10
I was listening to a cop and a fireman/emt have a discussion at a recent family gathering.. Fumesucker Aug 2012 #30
so are you in some STEM program or did they just randomly email you? snooper2 Aug 2012 #4
Over 30 years of experience in software development twins.fan Aug 2012 #5
You're name isn't Joe, is it? n/t Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #36
No twins.fan Aug 2012 #37
Please PM. I would be VERY VERY VERY interested in your EEOC filing and outcome... uponit7771 Aug 2012 #6
I do not have enough posts to PM; you have to send PM to me. twins.fan Aug 2012 #7
There's no doubt in my feeble mind that AGE is the "issue". TahitiNut Aug 2012 #31
If HR is being run by foreign workers pscot Aug 2012 #35
HR serves the hiring managers. Their "job" is to PROTECT the company. TahitiNut Aug 2012 #40
The SVP, People Operations at Google and Board Member/Investor ... twins.fan Aug 2012 #44
Don't you think pay is the obvious issue, if the interview was conducted from China? robinlynne Aug 2012 #64
I heard from someone who applied flamingdem Aug 2012 #8
We were just props in Google's narrative designed to taunt, mock, and smear US STEM workers twins.fan Aug 2012 #9
Can you help me understand the back story? CoffeeCat Aug 2012 #89
they have to make a "good faith" attempt to find us workers before they hire h1b. maybe you HiPointDem Aug 2012 #99
Thank you so much... CoffeeCat Aug 2012 #102
"Red China" nichomachus Aug 2012 #11
You know the one with the Communist government that has been stealing or given US technology. twins.fan Aug 2012 #12
But is there another China? nichomachus Aug 2012 #15
Taiwan shawn703 Aug 2012 #16
That is what I thought twins.fan Aug 2012 #19
Maybe the sole purpose of this round of interviews alcibiades_mystery Aug 2012 #43
My we are touchy ... twins.fan Aug 2012 #52
You *still* think the interview was about programming alcibiades_mystery Aug 2012 #77
Oh, OK O' Wise One twins.fan Aug 2012 #78
...," says the angry guy nobody at Google wants to work with alcibiades_mystery Aug 2012 #79
Wow, you're being mean CoffeeCat Aug 2012 #91
This message was self-deleted by its author AllyCat Aug 2012 #95
This message was self-deleted by its author AllyCat Aug 2012 #96
Try this company they are full of old John Birchers and would enjoy your Mandarin rant lunasun Aug 2012 #168
Ridiculous statement blackspade Aug 2012 #162
if you didn't make it move on and don't blame communism for your loss lunasun Aug 2012 #161
yeah, we don't call it that anymore CreekDog Aug 2012 #123
I also hit a bump when reading that but they really deserve the title. Poll_Blind Aug 2012 #13
That one jumped out at me too GObamaGO Aug 2012 #165
Bingo nichomachus Aug 2012 #171
Yep GObamaGO Aug 2012 #193
There are major factual problems in your post. grantcart Aug 2012 #14
Do they have books on ... twins.fan Aug 2012 #17
Can you supply a link to the article you referred to that indicates that Google "interviewed" a grantcart Aug 2012 #18
I stand by my position twins.fan Aug 2012 #20
Fine now show us a link that stands by your position that shows where google interviewed a milllion grantcart Aug 2012 #22
I actually responded to the story when it occurred, back in 2010 twins.fan Aug 2012 #27
lol any story about any company INTERVIEWING A MILLION CANDIDATES would generate thousands grantcart Aug 2012 #29
You are breaking my heart ... twins.fan Aug 2012 #33
The problem is that is it wasn't a triviality it provided the set up for your whole story. grantcart Aug 2012 #45
Pardon me, apparently I am in the shadow of greatness twins.fan Aug 2012 #47
Personal attacks will not change the fact that the basic facts in your arguments are not true grantcart Aug 2012 #69
Oh no, that is not what I said twins.fan Aug 2012 #76
grantcart, with all due respect... CoffeeCat Aug 2012 #92
Making outrageous and unsubstantiated claims undermines your argument. grantcart Aug 2012 #101
You know my position; I know yours. Moving forward, view Google's outrageous claims ... twins.fan Aug 2012 #121
A few points that stand out to me... WilmywoodNCparalegal Aug 2012 #159
Sergey Brin, one of the founders of Google, was born in Moscow, for instance. lunasun Aug 2012 #174
I also remember this story FlaGranny Aug 2012 #132
I don't think I would brag about getting every job I interviewed for indie9197 Aug 2012 #182
Lots of people on DU get lied to, details actually do ferret that stuff out CreekDog Aug 2012 #125
Please think about it. twins.fan Aug 2012 #127
I appreciate personal stories, though I admit I'm a little skeptical CreekDog Aug 2012 #128
I am not a public relations guy; I am a propellor head! twins.fan Aug 2012 #131
You got a technical question WRONG... mathematic Aug 2012 #140
Lookup is log(n) twins.fan Aug 2012 #142
That's what I just said, you got the lookup wrong. mathematic Aug 2012 #147
It is miscommunication, Sir twins.fan Aug 2012 #150
this article supports your contention -- it refers to applications/resumes rather than interviews spooky3 Aug 2012 #23
Can't comment on the interview. Igel Aug 2012 #24
Well if you were interviewing somebody for a job that required absolutely precise language ability grantcart Aug 2012 #26
What red flags did he raise? kwassa Aug 2012 #55
I know people that work at Google and half a dozen other people who have been interviewed by them. wickerwoman Aug 2012 #93
That part sounded very odd. UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #115
These big tech companies are very American companies, at least the Bay Area ones CreekDog Aug 2012 #126
and living in the Bay Area, there are plenty of Americans working there CreekDog Aug 2012 #124
Around 2008, the San Jose Mercury News did a story ... twins.fan Aug 2012 #129
Just one problem with your #'s --there should be less whites now CreekDog Aug 2012 #130
The other problem is that he keeps quoting articles that he can't llink to. grantcart Aug 2012 #137
Mr Humility speaks again. twins.fan Aug 2012 #143
I live in Mountain View REP Aug 2012 #202
I am certain that my story contradicts the crap being sold by Google ... twins.fan Aug 2012 #206
Your story contradicts a lot of things REP Aug 2012 #211
Time will tell that my story is true. twins.fan Aug 2012 #212
If I don't find suitable employment soon, I'm going to start leaving my PhD MNBrewer Aug 2012 #21
I've been tempted to do that, as well. gkhouston Aug 2012 #25
Bingo. TahitiNut Aug 2012 #38
'Course, if I were 25, they'd probably tell me I didn't have enough experience. gkhouston Aug 2012 #41
That has crossed my mind. KansDem Aug 2012 #32
Know folks who have done that with success lunasun Aug 2012 #175
Maybe even for related positions. MNBrewer Aug 2012 #183
So, are you guys looking for super jobs, or just regular jobs? DaveJ Aug 2012 #28
Depends where you live and how willing you are to relocate jeff47 Aug 2012 #68
Relocating seems ludicrous in this profession DaveJ Aug 2012 #191
Managing remote workers takes more skill than in-person workers. jeff47 Aug 2012 #213
I just showed an online agile site to by boss DaveJ Aug 2012 #214
If only tech companies would be as innovative in their products as they are inventing ways to avoid Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #34
k and r nt Stuart G Aug 2012 #39
Allow room for the fact that your temperament may not be a fit Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #42
OUCH!! twins.fan Aug 2012 #46
I don't discount that there is an issue with that, Ruby the Liberal Aug 2012 #48
You missed the point ... twins.fan Aug 2012 #49
Twins.fan, the system sucks but it's not just STEM workers DaveJ Aug 2012 #50
Microsoft did not steal my technology ... twins.fan Aug 2012 #51
twins.fan - I'll tell you what they were looking for, and why you weren't hired: leveymg Aug 2012 #56
That is an excellent point ... twins.fan Aug 2012 #60
It was the perception of insensitivity, not the reality. leveymg Aug 2012 #63
I said you have a point ... twins.fan Aug 2012 #66
I think you have a point... CoffeeCat Aug 2012 #100
For the record, I know nothing about US STEM workers, but I haven't found your posts (original and phylny Aug 2012 #53
Thank you for your kind words twins.fan Aug 2012 #54
It sounds like a Kobayashi Maru test. sofa king Aug 2012 #184
Ahhhhh. I see. It's a setup to use American interviews as excuse to outsource. nt Honeycombe8 Aug 2012 #57
d femrap Aug 2012 #58
It has been more than two years since I filed the EEOC complaint twins.fan Aug 2012 #59
Maybe I'm just a suspicious person Lex Aug 2012 #61
Oh well, twins.fan Aug 2012 #65
No. You misunderstand. I'm not questioning that it happened the way you described. Lex Aug 2012 #67
Oh OK, here is how it went. twins.fan Aug 2012 #73
"Red China." How perfectly racist. progress2k12nbynd Aug 2012 #62
What?! twins.fan Aug 2012 #70
was there sensitivity training when you were in college? You seem to old for that lunasun Aug 2012 #176
Ignore them, and keep us up to date ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2012 #194
There are people who are buying into the fable being spread by the likes of Google. twins.fan Aug 2012 #200
What's racist about that? Ron Obvious Aug 2012 #71
You do realize there are two Chinas, right? jeff47 Aug 2012 #72
What is racist in the statement? A bit dated with a touch of McCarthy flavor? Ok TheKentuckian Aug 2012 #82
If there was REALLY a severe shortage as they claim... twins.fan Aug 2012 #83
wtf? HiPointDem Aug 2012 #103
Well said. Zalatix Aug 2012 #112
Please explain how this can be racist, I admit that I don't know everything about every... uponit7771 Aug 2012 #116
I wonder. FlaGranny Aug 2012 #170
My fraudulent interview story jeff47 Aug 2012 #74
HAH!!!! Good for you twins.fan Aug 2012 #75
Sorry, but the whole story sounds pretty sketchy, and nothing verifies bhikkhu Aug 2012 #80
Bet the OP doesn't respond to your questions. leveymg Aug 2012 #84
OP already responded to similar questions earlier. twins.fan Aug 2012 #118
Seems like I'm 3 for 3 today. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2012 #81
Yeah. freshwest Aug 2012 #85
Yeah, that post has everything. joshcryer Aug 2012 #90
He started posting on friday lunasun Aug 2012 #177
What's interesting is that I live in a college town xmas74 Aug 2012 #86
Possibly... Ron Obvious Aug 2012 #87
Most of our international students come from a wealthy background xmas74 Aug 2012 #88
why not start a petition to have the university not accept them so all your friends can get jobs?? lunasun Aug 2012 #178
But many of the international students at our local university are wealthy. xmas74 Aug 2012 #192
More likely, it's the kids. n/t gkhouston Aug 2012 #98
as the poster said, a high percentage of foreign students come from wealthy backgrounds & have HiPointDem Aug 2012 #104
They attend this school because they can afford it, at least the xmas74 Aug 2012 #186
Yeah, could be... Ron Obvious Aug 2012 #106
They're not supposed to ask, but many do, under the cover of "small talk". gkhouston Aug 2012 #107
I've been asked in interviews about children, xmas74 Aug 2012 #185
Who "installs" Google Docs? zaj Aug 2012 #94
They had a client. It's now Google Drive. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2012 #110
kr. i hope your complaint is successful. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #97
I wish there were a real alternative to google. MADem Aug 2012 #105
sounds like a weird ass interview.On top of not wanting US workersthere is also a shitload of age limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #108
This article dsteve01 Aug 2012 #109
I suppose I was aware this happened, but not as a publicity stunt. crim son Aug 2012 #111
Plus benefits? Zalatix Aug 2012 #113
You "installed" google docs? sharklazers Aug 2012 #114
There's a google docs client uponit7771 Aug 2012 #117
You wouldn't need it. sharklazers Aug 2012 #187
I installed GoogleDocs because I was REQUIRED to install GoogleDocs twins.fan Aug 2012 #119
You are certainly not a google caliber technologist if you think that: sharklazers Aug 2012 #188
I installed GoogleDocs, or should I say that I installed the GoogleDocs client? twins.fan Aug 2012 #207
Could you just share the reasons without the need for PM. I'm sure others would like to hear what masmdu Aug 2012 #133
I don't understand the acronym PM twins.fan Aug 2012 #134
PM=Personal/private Message masmdu Aug 2012 #136
OK, I don't understand your request twins.fan Aug 2012 #144
Really? SQUEE Aug 2012 #148
I am new here. The PM acronym has plenty of meanings in my world. twins.fan Aug 2012 #149
BTW, do you really think that one who would ask the question ... twins.fan Aug 2012 #151
pretty much. sharklazers Aug 2012 #189
First of all, Google doesn't call its recruiting branch HR sharklazers Aug 2012 #190
As I said in a previous post to you, you apparently did not read my complaint ... twins.fan Aug 2012 #209
Have you considered that maybe you were just not the 'right fit'? HipChick Aug 2012 #120
As I have said, I may not be a right fit, but the interview was not equipped to make that assessment twins.fan Aug 2012 #122
I don't know you and FlaGranny Aug 2012 #135
Thanks for the benefit of the doubt ... twins.fan Aug 2012 #208
Google thinks they are God. I have a friend interviewing right now. onehandle Aug 2012 #138
It's not just IT. ArchTeryx Aug 2012 #139
Touché twins.fan Aug 2012 #141
U.S. pushes for more scientists, but the jobs aren’t there twins.fan Aug 2012 #146
Your experience demonstrates the terrible tragedy in this fraud! twins.fan Aug 2012 #145
Hmm so you want to work for Google? YOHABLO Aug 2012 #152
Nobel Prizes twins.fan Aug 2012 #153
I cant help but to see irony in this DAngelo136 Aug 2012 #154
Irony twins.fan Aug 2012 #155
In re:"That situation may have existed for longer than you think." DAngelo136 Aug 2012 #196
Yeah, Native Americans are in that boat too. JoeyT Aug 2012 #164
I don't wish this on anyone DAngelo136 Aug 2012 #195
I have read both of your posts on this topic, and find truedelphi Aug 2012 #198
Now, if you believe what they believed, you'll take this country back from these impostors ... twins.fan Aug 2012 #199
Well, twins.fan... DAngelo136 Sep 2012 #215
I Appreciate What You're Saying About the Simplicity of the Questions, On the Road Aug 2012 #156
you lost me at "Red China" NEDem Aug 2012 #157
This whole "skills shortage" thing a2liberal Aug 2012 #158
If There Really Was A Skills Shortage, Google Would Be Importing ITers from No. Europe Yavin4 Aug 2012 #169
Google Is A Mature Fortune 500 Company Under Intense Pressure by Wall Street To Return A Profit Yavin4 Aug 2012 #160
But shooting a nerf gun is a perk JoeyT Aug 2012 #166
There is a skills shortage rock Aug 2012 #163
You are more proof the Google is crap SmittynMo Aug 2012 #167
You are qualified, you simply won't work for slave wages. A living wage is needed in the USA, third mother earth Aug 2012 #172
I wanted to add my two cents. Although I have tremendous truedelphi Aug 2012 #173
people can hire IT to do some of the jobs remote now from places like Vietnam etc. lunasun Aug 2012 #179
Good post SnohoDem Aug 2012 #197
You nailed it... truedelphi Aug 2012 #204
Perhaps I should fight every injustice ... twins.fan Aug 2012 #201
Right now, dealing with all the issues that come with un and under- truedelphi Aug 2012 #203
Thanks truedelphi, twins.fan Aug 2012 #205
Again, my sympathy is for your situation. As far as google, truedelphi Aug 2012 #210
I knew a guy that worked for Google in their data center in Oregon indie9197 Aug 2012 #180
To everyone interested in this. You should watch this, if you haven't already.. interested11 Aug 2012 #181
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