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Tue Aug 14, 2012, 07:58 PM Aug 2012

Biden: “There will be no changes in Social Security” [View all]

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By: David Dayen Tuesday August 14, 2012 4:22 pm

(photo: Barack Obama / White House)

Vice President Joe Biden told senior patrons at a restaurant today that there would be no changes to Social Security under an Obama-Biden Presidency, a guarantee that may force the top of the ticket to speak on this and other social insurance programs.

“Hey, by the way, let’s talk about Social Security,” Biden said after a diner at The Coffee Break Cafe in Stuart, VA expressed his relief that the Obama campaign wasn’t talking about changing the popular entitlement program.

“Number one, I guarantee you, flat guarantee you, there will be no changes in Social Security,” Biden said, per a pool report. “I flat guarantee you.”

The pool report noted that most of the patrons at the cafe toward whom Biden was directing his remarks were over the age of 60.


When the addition of Paul Ryan to the Republican ticket turned the Presidential race into a competing set of visions for social insurance programs, I thought it could go in two directions. Either the Obama-Biden ticket would straddle the divide and embrace a “bipartisan” deficit reduction plan which pokes at the sacred cows of liberals and conservatives, meaning that the “grand debate” of the campaign would be between a center-right and a far-right vision, leaving the entire idea that social insurance plans ought to be protected, if not expanded, off the table. Or, Obama and Biden would get forced into a corner and make promises on these programs that would conflict with their past attempts to reach a grand bargain that subjected the programs to cuts. Biden has basically done the latter here. It’s the kind of no-wiggle-room guarantee that could be useful after the election.

However. It’s only the Vice President talking. Someone needs to ask the President if he agrees. We’ve seen previously how Biden’s declarative statements have often gotten further out in front of where the Administration wanted to be, leading to either a walkback or, in the case of marriage equality, forcing Obama grudgingly in that direction. Maybe we’ll see the same dynamic here.

In addition, Biden’s declarative was made on Social Security. That’s not exactly the major issue in the campaign at the moment. After flirting with private accounts, Paul Ryan left Social Security untouched in this year’s budget. Mitt Romney has spoken favorably of raising the retirement age and means-testing benefits for well-off beneficiaries in the past, but he has not given a definitive answer on his plan for Social Security. The real fight has been about Medicare, and who cuts what and when. So in addition to pinning down Obama-Biden on Social Security, getting them defined on Medicare – and Medicaid, for that matter – would make sense as well.

A Presidential campaign based on deficit reduction and social insurance in a time of mass unemployment, a campaign aimed at Washington DC instead of Main Street and its struggles, is bad enough. But if Biden stumbles the President into drawing some bright lines on those programs, it could have a salutary effect.

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I got a crush on Joe Biden ;-) TDale313 Aug 2012 #1
for all the talk of presidential candidates getting flipped DonCoquixote Aug 2012 #2
That sucks, I was hoping they would drop the B Calm Aug 2012 #3
But will there be a chained CPI? woo me with science Aug 2012 #4
Biden is clearly part of Obama's conspiracy. JoePhilly Aug 2012 #5
Best guess, don't believe ANY of them. nt NorthCarolina Aug 2012 #7
Really - it's the Congress that sends these bills to the President, it's "advise and consent". xtraxritical Aug 2012 #9
The President either signs them or does not. nt woo me with science Aug 2012 #11
2011 Flashback: Obama Pushes for Modifications to Medicare & Social Security (Including Chained CPI) stockholmer Aug 2012 #8
Important links with his own words. Thank you. woo me with science Aug 2012 #12
He hasn't mentioned that rhetoric in almost a year. joshcryer Aug 2012 #19
Thank you for bringing up the facts and adding the links to the supporting information. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #22
I like this one Kingofalldems Aug 2012 #6
But, but, but Simpson! Bowles!... SidDithers Aug 2012 #10
How is it going up in Canada? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #23
... SidDithers Aug 2012 #47
And thank you to Manny and woo me with science and all the other great DUers and sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #13
Thank you for staying on this, Sabrina. woo me with science Aug 2012 #16
Chained CPI needs to be addressed, there's no question about that. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #17
It sounds like Biden has addressed it. joshcryer Aug 2012 #27
Yes, because if Joe Summer Hathaway Aug 2012 #21
Yes, they deserve all the credit in the world for making sure this happens. joshcryer Aug 2012 #28
And what could be harder work Summer Hathaway Aug 2012 #35
Oh it's worse than that. joshcryer Aug 2012 #36
I must correct you on the repeal of DADT Summer Hathaway Aug 2012 #38
Oh yes. joshcryer Aug 2012 #39
Why do you read FR then? You wouldn't have to see nonsense like that if you simply sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #43
I saw that on DU. joshcryer Aug 2012 #44
Joe is hearing plenty from all of us, including sending articles like those published by sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #41
Am I opposed to Democratic programs? Summer Hathaway Aug 2012 #42
+ 1,000 Sabrina suffragette Aug 2012 #40
It's well past time stupidicus Aug 2012 #14
We still need a promise that the chained CPI is off the table. woo me with science Aug 2012 #15
I completely agree stupidicus Aug 2012 #18
What " 'purists' have been too shortsighted" Were these people other than the Blue-Dog Democrats AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #25
none of the above stupidicus Aug 2012 #50
*ALL* reforms to SS can be considered cuts. joshcryer Aug 2012 #20
Raising the cap is fine by most, very few are crying about the top 20% paying a little extra here. TheKentuckian Aug 2012 #37
That, and another trick needs to be taken off the table. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #24
President Obama rejected his commision's call for military cuts MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #26
His 2013 budget freezes military spending and doesn't cut a dime from SS. joshcryer Aug 2012 #29
And he's rejected the 22% cut for the average recipient? nt MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #30
Yes. joshcryer Aug 2012 #31
Please link to a quote MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #32
I don't do quotes, rhetoric is cheap, here is his actual proposal: joshcryer Aug 2012 #33
They proposed raising the cap, and cutting average benefit by 22% MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #45
Not "and" but "or." joshcryer Aug 2012 #46
They voted for specific recommendations, no? MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #48
Spam deleted by DURHAM D (MIR Team) numnumnum Aug 2012 #34
That's the way to win an election--Biden for President! Demeter Aug 2012 #49
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