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grantcart

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49. Hate speech is protected

Mon Oct 29, 2018, 10:35 AM

Oct 2018

Precursor to a crime?

So you want to arrest something because they might do something?

I hate intolerant people. I hate NAZIS. Now arrest me.

Making a speech inciting people to attack someone is a crime.

Limitations to the right of absolute speech have been carefully worked out over 240 years. What new limitation do you propose that isn't already in existance?

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Should hate Speech be banned and criminalized? [View all] Le Gaucher Oct 2018 OP

Yes. mia Oct 2018 #1

yes trueblue2007 Oct 2018 #97

Long ago it should have been stopped Tumbulu Oct 2018 #2

Republicans view the far left as a dark force hack89 Oct 2018 #3

Hate speech should be linkble to violence/intimidation against the target Le Gaucher Oct 2018 #8

I think MichMary Oct 2018 #35

I truly hate messing with the 1st Arger68 Oct 2018 #4

We should also require "truth" in the news. Dustlawyer Oct 2018 #41

Who gets to decide what is true? MosheFeingold Oct 2018 #68

The media must have some sources and facts they rely on before making a claim. Dustlawyer Oct 2018 #69

Definitely not oberliner Oct 2018 #5

With sufficient guard rails I think we can prevent abuse. Le Gaucher Oct 2018 #6

Bear in mind who would be writing the law oberliner Oct 2018 #11

This thread should be titled "Lets give Trump more power to militarize ideology" grantcart Oct 2018 #74

Trump isn't permanent fescuerescue Oct 2018 #83

Define "deplorables" MichMary Oct 2018 #36

You made my point. Le Gaucher Oct 2018 #40

Wait, what?? MichMary Oct 2018 #42

Has there ever been a campaign of someone routinely intimidating or Le Gaucher Oct 2018 #43

How far back are we going? Dr. Strange Oct 2018 #45

You can stretch everything to its extremes .. And I think there is a resonable ground to be found. Le Gaucher Oct 2018 #47

I don't like it, but I hate it less. Dr. Strange Oct 2018 #55

Though I agree with you on dangers .. We should be good as long there is prosecutorial independence Le Gaucher Oct 2018 #58

Don't say "as long as..." Instead, think about the real world. Jim Lane Oct 2018 #78

absolutely. Brainstormy Oct 2018 #53

Has this happened in jurisdictions with such laws? jberryhill Oct 2018 #64

The Count Dankula thing was stupid as hell. Dr. Strange Oct 2018 #70

Trump isn't the PM of Canada and their legislature isn't controlled by right-wingers oberliner Oct 2018 #79

There have been right wing governments in Canada, the UK and other jurisdictions jberryhill Oct 2018 #80

I still am not comfortable with our Republican-controlled Congress writing hate crimes laws oberliner Oct 2018 #87

It would be a Pandora's Box pintobean Oct 2018 #7

Yes! A thousand times, yes! jcmaine72 Oct 2018 #9

"The First Amendment does not protect acts of violence last I checked." MichMary Oct 2018 #39

Incitement cilla4progress Oct 2018 #52

Okay, since MichMary Oct 2018 #75

Then nothing needs changed. nt Codeine Oct 2018 #91

Yes Thyla Oct 2018 #10

No. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2018 #12

No. Those tables can be turned far too quickly, as we've seen... vi5 Oct 2018 #13

I agree, the potential for abuse is way way to high Amishman Oct 2018 #44

Hate speech fescuerescue Oct 2018 #86

No. Messing with the 1st is ill advised. NT Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2018 #14

Ok, you are now under arrest for: Oneironaut Oct 2018 #15

How would you define hate speech and how would you prevent abuse of this law? Calista241 Oct 2018 #16

Again.. Restrict hate speech against whom there is a credible threat of Le Gaucher Oct 2018 #19

Wouldn't you agree Fox News is an enemy of the (majority) of people? ThirdEye Oct 2018 #62

It can't be get the red out Oct 2018 #17

It should have civil penalties rather than criminal ck4829 Oct 2018 #18

Absolutely Not RobinA Oct 2018 #20

I don't know if this bdamomma Oct 2018 #21

Yes, under on condition. Captain Stern Oct 2018 #22

Just think about this, please. Would you trust the majority of politicians which are Republicans BeckyDem Oct 2018 #23

Absolutely NOT! bakpakr Oct 2018 #24

There are lots of forms of speech which are banned jberryhill Oct 2018 #65

Wow. Petosky Stone Oct 2018 #25

That was very insightful. Thank you very much. Le Gaucher Oct 2018 #28

No. It is the 1st amendment for a reason. 33taw Oct 2018 #26

No, it will make things worse marylandblue Oct 2018 #27

unfortunately not. 1st amendment is most important AlexSFCA Oct 2018 #29

Does anybody read the constitution any more? grantcart Oct 2018 #30

Yes .. But hate speech is a precursor to crime ..and every right has to have bounds Le Gaucher Oct 2018 #31

Hate speech is protected grantcart Oct 2018 #49

Sometimes people here Codeine Oct 2018 #92

Trump would be criminalized? dawg day Oct 2018 #32

I dont know about president .. But Steve King calling Mexicans Animals should be. Le Gaucher Oct 2018 #34

Or he would be in a position to criminalize CNN and the NYT. Crunchy Frog Oct 2018 #94

Yes lancelyons Oct 2018 #33

The right says the same thing about CNN and MSNBC. This won't turn out like you want. 33taw Oct 2018 #46

Ya but there is something called facts or the truth lancelyons Nov 2018 #102

No, but legalize dueling... RichardRay Oct 2018 #37

It already is Baltimike Oct 2018 #38

any president who engages in it bigtree Oct 2018 #48

Here's a test of your theory Dreamer Tatum Oct 2018 #50

Maybe it should apply just to politicians. Le Gaucher Oct 2018 #51

The race to the bottom is endless... LanternWaste Nov 2018 #103

Your premise is flawed right from the start. Kaleva Oct 2018 #54

Indeed, it's a DOA concept ThirdEye Oct 2018 #60

Incitement to violence is illegal. cilla4progress Oct 2018 #56

Bans don't work... Thomas Hurt Oct 2018 #57

The remedy is more speech. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #59

Unfortunately, that is based on a flawed model of human behavior jberryhill Oct 2018 #66

Maybe so, but what is the remedy? The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2018 #67

No Loki Liesmith Oct 2018 #61

Absolutely not. MicaelS Oct 2018 #63

No! Separation Oct 2018 #71

Nope. Imagine what this country would look like if Trump and the GOP had the power to ban Azathoth Oct 2018 #72

No sarisataka Oct 2018 #73

It should be obvious by now saidsimplesimon Oct 2018 #76

The problem is 'Let us assume that there are some clearly defined parameters.' elleng Oct 2018 #77

The 1st and 2nd amendment need to be modified fescuerescue Oct 2018 #81

Germany seems to be doing just fine with that. fescuerescue Oct 2018 #82

Thank you , Thank you , Thank you. Le Gaucher Oct 2018 #85

No. trackfan Oct 2018 #84

No. geardaddy Oct 2018 #88

This OP starts with a very large, very flawed assumption. onenote Oct 2018 #89

Not just no, but hell fucking no! NutmegYankee Oct 2018 #90

Worse idea ever. GulfCoast66 Oct 2018 #93

I hate Trump and want to continue to express it, thank you. Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2018 #95

No Celerity Oct 2018 #96

Absolutely NO! nt Raine Oct 2018 #98

Nope DeminPennswoods Oct 2018 #99

let them post 'free speech' on their own social media platforms-get them off twitter, facebook Sunlei Oct 2018 #100

yes [nt] GetRidOfThem Oct 2018 #101