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130. Nothing divides the Left quite like Bernie Sanders.

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Tue Oct 30, 2018, 08:24 PM

Oct 2018

As an old man of 66 I really look forward to voting for a Democratic candidate for president who is younger than me with some fresh new ideas. If we don't have some fresh, young blood, what is the future of the Democratic Party anyways?

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Sanders won't promise to serve full Senate term as he considers 2020 run [View all] left-of-center2012 Oct 2018 OP

This Is Just So Wrong Me. Oct 2018 #1

how? You think anybody else who might run should promise to serve their full senate term? I guess JCanete Oct 2018 #11

You Don't Know? Me. Oct 2018 #15

I don't know. So if Harris runs in 2020 you are going to say "this is so wrong"? JCanete Oct 2018 #38

Oh, I Didn't Know She's A Declared Indie Me. Oct 2018 #95

you still have no argument here that makes any sense. Would you prefer an indie on the left to run JCanete Oct 2018 #101

Such Nonsense Me. Oct 2018 #104

your version of dem would have had you voting for lieberman over sanders squared off....soo JCanete Oct 2018 #106

You are the one who should reevaluate your criteria....... kerry-is-my-prez Oct 2018 #111

thanks for the food to chew on, rife with reasons and examples. nt JCanete Oct 2018 #112

Really, Actually Amusing Logic Me. Oct 2018 #119

how would he not "get" another shot? Actually, I think he'll sit out if Warren runs, but we'll see. JCanete Oct 2018 #143

That's Right, We'll Both See Me. Oct 2018 #149

In order to "get" another shot he'll have to pledge to become a Democrat and remain a Democrat.... George II Oct 2018 #160

That's true, but that's all in his court. no body can stand in the way. He gets another JCanete Oct 2018 #161

Not that it's relevant to this discussion, but back when he last ran (2006, twelve years ago) .... George II Oct 2018 #121

no, but it makes no sense to me at all given that we knew who lieberman was already, whether JCanete Oct 2018 #141

Did Kamala Harris said that she wasn't sure if she wouldn't serve her full when she ran in 2016? George II Oct 2018 #117

was she asked? nt JCanete Oct 2018 #140

Post removed Post removed Oct 2018 #32

The field just eyerolled ...and they ALL returned to the business of putting together a campaign Bfd Oct 2018 #36

Not really sure what your snark was about. Whether or not he has a chance is an entirely different JCanete Oct 2018 #40

Its not snark. Its the truth. Bfd Oct 2018 #42

I think you missed the context of my "field just got a lot smaller" statement. It was referring to JCanete Oct 2018 #43

i agree with you totally. BS time is over just like you said. trueblue2007 Oct 2018 #92

He should have stated it during the primary. n/t pnwmom Oct 2018 #137

was he asked? nt JCanete Oct 2018 #145

Isn't that up to Vermonters? Did you have the same problem with Hillary Clinton in 2006? karynnj Oct 2018 #17

I don't think Hillary switched parties to use Democrats. nt R B Garr Oct 2018 #23

So it isnt about his not committing to a full term at all? Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #91

If he's an Independent, then why run as a Democrat. R B Garr Oct 2018 #114

So it isnt about him being an independant or because he wont commit to a full term Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #135

What "it" are you referring to? Did you read the posts in R B Garr Oct 2018 #136

You nailed it! Bernie is not a dem. The DNC has already stated the will not support an outsider Thekaspervote Oct 2018 #94

yeah, good luck, the bar has shifted as to what the beef is. If you poke holes in a specific JCanete Oct 2018 #146

I know karynnj Oct 2018 #169

Bernie would need to run as a Dem to have any chance of winning. I don't see the Dems letting jalan48 Oct 2018 #2

um....who are the dems. Kind of thought it was us. Kind of think, given how popular he is with dems JCanete Oct 2018 #12

I believe him when he switched back to Independent. R B Garr Oct 2018 #28

He Ran In The Vermont Dem Senate Primary & Won Me. Oct 2018 #34

Exactly, and how anyone can ignore this is bizarre. R B Garr Oct 2018 #44

Agreed Me. Oct 2018 #49

Good question. I don't see how there aren't any questions R B Garr Oct 2018 #86

Yeah, that's right. He ran with the Dem Party of Vermont's blessing, because this way we on the left JCanete Oct 2018 #50

"don't compete against each other". What hypocrisy. R B Garr Oct 2018 #53

what the hell are you talking about? I just laid out for you why he runs as a democrat, JCanete Oct 2018 #56

You aren't inside his brain, so you only "laid out" what R B Garr Oct 2018 #62

Sure if you want to define establishment your way. Its not the way I define it. It is counter to JCanete Oct 2018 #63

You keep contradicting yourself. R B Garr Oct 2018 #70

in what regard? How did I contradict myself? I may have been crappy at conveying my point, but JCanete Oct 2018 #76

You keep presenting side steps as to why Bernie ran as a Democrat. R B Garr Oct 2018 #80

Do you think he should have run in the GE as an independent? Answer honestly. nt JCanete Oct 2018 #85

We know why he used the Democrats, so why did he R B Garr Oct 2018 #87

I've explained why he ran as a democrat. If you think another way is viable for any of us, I'd JCanete Oct 2018 #88

It's public information in his own words why he ran R B Garr Oct 2018 #113

I'd like to see him run as a Dem but I don't see it happening. Too much what happened for some. jalan48 Oct 2018 #47

Yes, it's US, which includes the person you responded to, me, and many other registered Democrats. George II Oct 2018 #123

that's right, and if you haven't been paying attention, he is still popular among democrats. He may JCanete Oct 2018 #142

SOME Democrats. George II Oct 2018 #148

Most Democrats. that doesn't mean most will prefer him over another option in the Primary, but JCanete Oct 2018 #154

"Most" means more than any other, I don't think so. Where do you get that "most Democrats" from? George II Oct 2018 #157

No it doesn't. It just means most democrats actually like him. Look at the polling. The last one JCanete Oct 2018 #159

The only favorability ratings I've seen are of Senators/politicans from their own home states, not.. George II Oct 2018 #162

Link below. from 2017. JCanete Oct 2018 #167

Wasn't that in his own state? Why do we have to keep going through this. R B Garr Oct 2018 #165

that was the most recent one, sure, and in that thread I stated that the title was overplaying it. JCanete Oct 2018 #166

BERNIE is not even a Democrat!!! trueblue2007 Oct 2018 #93

OMG!! jalan48 Oct 2018 #99

EXACTLY! He says that over and over again. Nt helpisontheway Oct 2018 #127

I see this as a smart move to keep his lucrative speaking/book fees up grantcart Oct 2018 #3

Not to mention, the media treats any potential President - no matter how unlikely - karynnj Oct 2018 #19

Actually, reality is so much better to go by. His "strong voice" R B Garr Oct 2018 #21

Lucrative speaking fees? progressoid Oct 2018 #39

Most of the increase was from publishing, but the point is he increased his income by 500% grantcart Oct 2018 #61

Ah, I see. progressoid Oct 2018 #90

How do you walk around with that chip on your shoulder? grantcart Oct 2018 #97

Hahaha! progressoid Oct 2018 #128

Jimmy Carter has been a private citizen for 3.8 decades, how many books did he write.... George II Oct 2018 #138

LMGTFY... progressoid Oct 2018 #139

The comment was: George II Oct 2018 #118

Yup. progressoid Oct 2018 #129

I'll worry when he starts appearing before Goldman Sachs. jalan48 Oct 2018 #72

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2018 #4

Same here. If Bernie wins our primary, I am 1000% behind him in the General. Blue_true Oct 2018 #133

I knew it! I don't understand how anyone who has been paying attention thoughgt lunamagica Oct 2018 #5

GTFO Bernie. Adrahil Oct 2018 #6

deep...what bullshit are you even referring to here? and why do you think its acceptable to bash JCanete Oct 2018 #13

You really need to read the Mueller indictments if you're R B Garr Oct 2018 #18

Then state those facts and don't make me try to figure out what your point is. I agree Clinton was JCanete Oct 2018 #27

Look at the post you responded to. R B Garr Oct 2018 #30

Ya want a list? Adrahil Oct 2018 #24

that's what primaries are for. Do you have a problem with primaries? Do you have a problem with JCanete Oct 2018 #33

OFFS.... Adrahil Oct 2018 #37

We know why he ran as a Democrat, and you are ignoring it. R B Garr Oct 2018 #46

Garr, what value is it accusing me of knowing or hiding somethign that you refuse to articulate? JCanete Oct 2018 #55

No need to "articulate" a public fact. Remember the whole R B Garr Oct 2018 #58

Establishment is not a smear. There is political machinery. There is a dogma that goes along with it JCanete Oct 2018 #59

LOL, that didn't take long. Now Establishment is not R B Garr Oct 2018 #64

a smear is a lie. What did I say that was a lie. nt JCanete Oct 2018 #66

Now back to the obtuse? Who benefitted from running as the R B Garr Oct 2018 #75

ok, no idea what you're talking about. so benefitting from running as the anti-establishment JCanete Oct 2018 #77

You have no idea because you keep contradicting yourself. nt R B Garr Oct 2018 #83

That very same establishment he joined when it was useful and convenient LanternWaste Oct 2018 #68

hey lantern, haven't heard you pull the sacred cows out of your arsenal for a while now. JCanete Oct 2018 #73

Shocker awesomerwb1 Oct 2018 #7

Bernie was not able to beat Hillary one on on in 2016 SolidBlueDem Oct 2018 #8

I agree there is no way he'll win the nom... Adrahil Oct 2018 #25

That is solid logic there... disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #177

I will vote for the Democratic nominee leftynyc Oct 2018 #9

Not many homeowners invite a guest back who's trashed the house once already. LanternWaste Oct 2018 #71

He's not a Democrat leftynyc Oct 2018 #79

Nooooo!!!! Do not want!!!! Initech Oct 2018 #10

OFFS. We don't need the division this will cause. nolabear Oct 2018 #14

I hope to get a chance to vote for Bernie again! RandiFan1290 Oct 2018 #16

+1.nt Snotcicles Oct 2018 #51

At 80, he can't promise, he'd wake up tomorrow, every day you wake up is a good day at 80.... sunonmars Oct 2018 #20

True, but Ouch! I'n 82. Thanks for reminding me of my pending mortality.. justhanginon Oct 2018 #125

maybe he wants to retire JI7 Oct 2018 #22

which would be fair enough, he's done his work. sunonmars Oct 2018 #26

If Beto wins Texas, he is our next president! AlexSFCA Oct 2018 #29

Of course this is from The Hill. The other day their "false headline" said that Hillary was still_one Oct 2018 #31

Sanders or Hillary are NOT going to be the Democratic nominee. The truth is they represent still_one Oct 2018 #35

Agreed. democratisphere Oct 2018 #45

I agree Rizen Oct 2018 #164

Show us the tax returns. MrsCoffee Oct 2018 #41

All of them. Cha Oct 2018 #60

How's he going to run when he isn't even a member of the party? Blue_Tires Oct 2018 #48

Yet he blocked a real Democrat from running. WhiteTara Oct 2018 #52

? Omaha Steve Oct 2018 #65

He runs as a democrat in the primaries WhiteTara Oct 2018 #67

Who did he block from running? Omaha Steve Oct 2018 #69

I really don't remember. There was a big WhiteTara Oct 2018 #78

Got me Omaha Steve Oct 2018 #82

Okay, you made me look it up. WhiteTara Oct 2018 #96

Didn't block from running Omaha Steve Oct 2018 #109

It was just the way he did it WhiteTara Oct 2018 #120

It is nice to be able to get out and about Omaha Steve Oct 2018 #179

And He Won Me. Oct 2018 #122

Yep. If I were the challenger, I might file WhiteTara Oct 2018 #124

Bernie, please go take a seat. EffieBlack Oct 2018 #54

That's the plan. And then in 2020, he may or may not run for President. nt JCanete Oct 2018 #57

+1. He can take several. n/t Tarheel_Dem Oct 2018 #147

I'll give him mine ... EffieBlack Oct 2018 #152

My pearls! My pearls! hopeforchange2008 Oct 2018 #74

I liked Sen Sanders tazkcmo Oct 2018 #81

I love Bernie and I feel the same way. We need new blood. And I thik he is to old. But if it zonkers Oct 2018 #84

Oh hell no.🤮 we can do it Oct 2018 #89

Sen. Sanders won't win a primary IMHO and I am not certain he will run anyway so he will serve Demsrule86 Oct 2018 #98

So on a morning StuckInTexas Oct 2018 #100

Remember that TV show Columbo? And he'd have all these actors who were big once Squinch Oct 2018 #102

At least he is honest Raven123 Oct 2018 #103

sanders will get far less support tan in 2016 if he runs Gothmog Oct 2018 #105

Had 2016 featured a bigger field of candidates it's unlikely he would have ever had much success BannonsLiver Oct 2018 #132

He needs to not run in 2020 Bettie Oct 2018 #107

Welcome back to office, pResident Trump, luv Bernie and Susan Sarandon. kerry-is-my-prez Oct 2018 #108

Bernie Sanders is not a viable candidate for 2020. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2018 #110

Nope. ismnotwasm Oct 2018 #115

So what exactly was the point of his announcement? Bfd Oct 2018 #116

Of course not..he wants the angry Susan Sarandon's of the world helpisontheway Oct 2018 #126

Nothing divides the Left quite like Bernie Sanders. elocs Oct 2018 #130

Bernie May be in for a rude awakening if he runs BannonsLiver Oct 2018 #131

I hope that he does not chum the water with democratic blood if he loses the nomination in 2020. Blue_true Oct 2018 #134

Only if he is stepping on other toes or they are stepping on his. Harris, Booker and Biden will JCanete Oct 2018 #144

"If" he is stepping on other toes? MrsCoffee Oct 2018 #150

Point was whether or not he'd be splitting the particularly progressive/liberal democratic vote with JCanete Oct 2018 #153

What part about concealing his tax returns do you like? That is more contradiction R B Garr Oct 2018 #155

Not at all. I think he should show his tax returns. I think that it is a knock against him that he JCanete Oct 2018 #158

So you are contradicting yourself again. This is what is observable about the R B Garr Oct 2018 #163

No it isn't completely different standards. Where can you point to me having different standards? JCanete Oct 2018 #168

More contradictions. And double standards. You were admonishing another R B Garr Oct 2018 #170

I need you to tell me exactly what you think the Mueller indictments say. What point JCanete Oct 2018 #171

Most of the myths you are perpetuating are just that. They aren't supported R B Garr Oct 2018 #172

actually, you're right, I can see how that might have sounded dismissive of the whole JCanete Oct 2018 #173

Why do you keep trying to get people to refight the primaries??? R B Garr Oct 2018 #174

I actually agree that those emails weren't that bad, but some people reacted strongly to them, JCanete Oct 2018 #176

It all started by your omission of why Sanders' ran as a Democrat. R B Garr Oct 2018 #178

So are you suggesting that next time he runs, if he runs, he'll do it as an independant now JCanete Oct 2018 #180

It's obvious why he didn't run as an Independent. Look at how he runs in R B Garr Oct 2018 #181

Both need each other. I've explained it over and over. You've ignored my explanation, presumably JCanete Oct 2018 #182

This is another distraction where you want someone to go through your posts, R B Garr Oct 2018 #183

okay cool. I have no way of responding to another pile of nothing. Specifics, or I have no way of JCanete Oct 2018 #186

Funny how you spend two days denying current news in favor of some worn out R B Garr Oct 2018 #187

This is the way I see it playing out madville Oct 2018 #151

That does sound like a real possibility, though if it comes to pass, that will almost certainly JCanete Oct 2018 #156

I am calling it.... disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #175

Oh, good grief! Just STFU, Sen Sanders! KCDebbie Oct 2018 #184

At what point is he going to be a member of the Democratic Party again? Doodley Oct 2018 #185

Please don't even think about it. You're too old. I speak from experience. Thirties Child Oct 2018 #188