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146. yeah, good luck, the bar has shifted as to what the beef is. If you poke holes in a specific

Wed Oct 31, 2018, 04:32 AM

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criticism, suddenly the goal posts get moved without anybody having the integrity to admit that either their own claim, or the claim of a poster they've rushed in to defend, is bogus or was ill conceived.

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Sanders won't promise to serve full Senate term as he considers 2020 run [View all] left-of-center2012 Oct 2018 OP

This Is Just So Wrong Me. Oct 2018 #1

how? You think anybody else who might run should promise to serve their full senate term? I guess JCanete Oct 2018 #11

You Don't Know? Me. Oct 2018 #15

I don't know. So if Harris runs in 2020 you are going to say "this is so wrong"? JCanete Oct 2018 #38

Oh, I Didn't Know She's A Declared Indie Me. Oct 2018 #95

you still have no argument here that makes any sense. Would you prefer an indie on the left to run JCanete Oct 2018 #101

Such Nonsense Me. Oct 2018 #104

your version of dem would have had you voting for lieberman over sanders squared off....soo JCanete Oct 2018 #106

You are the one who should reevaluate your criteria....... kerry-is-my-prez Oct 2018 #111

thanks for the food to chew on, rife with reasons and examples. nt JCanete Oct 2018 #112

Really, Actually Amusing Logic Me. Oct 2018 #119

how would he not "get" another shot? Actually, I think he'll sit out if Warren runs, but we'll see. JCanete Oct 2018 #143

That's Right, We'll Both See Me. Oct 2018 #149

In order to "get" another shot he'll have to pledge to become a Democrat and remain a Democrat.... George II Oct 2018 #160

That's true, but that's all in his court. no body can stand in the way. He gets another JCanete Oct 2018 #161

Not that it's relevant to this discussion, but back when he last ran (2006, twelve years ago) .... George II Oct 2018 #121

no, but it makes no sense to me at all given that we knew who lieberman was already, whether JCanete Oct 2018 #141

Did Kamala Harris said that she wasn't sure if she wouldn't serve her full when she ran in 2016? George II Oct 2018 #117

was she asked? nt JCanete Oct 2018 #140

Post removed Post removed Oct 2018 #32

The field just eyerolled ...and they ALL returned to the business of putting together a campaign Bfd Oct 2018 #36

Not really sure what your snark was about. Whether or not he has a chance is an entirely different JCanete Oct 2018 #40

Its not snark. Its the truth. Bfd Oct 2018 #42

I think you missed the context of my "field just got a lot smaller" statement. It was referring to JCanete Oct 2018 #43

i agree with you totally. BS time is over just like you said. trueblue2007 Oct 2018 #92

He should have stated it during the primary. n/t pnwmom Oct 2018 #137

was he asked? nt JCanete Oct 2018 #145

Isn't that up to Vermonters? Did you have the same problem with Hillary Clinton in 2006? karynnj Oct 2018 #17

I don't think Hillary switched parties to use Democrats. nt R B Garr Oct 2018 #23

So it isnt about his not committing to a full term at all? Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #91

If he's an Independent, then why run as a Democrat. R B Garr Oct 2018 #114

So it isnt about him being an independant or because he wont commit to a full term Tiggeroshii Oct 2018 #135

What "it" are you referring to? Did you read the posts in R B Garr Oct 2018 #136

You nailed it! Bernie is not a dem. The DNC has already stated the will not support an outsider Thekaspervote Oct 2018 #94

yeah, good luck, the bar has shifted as to what the beef is. If you poke holes in a specific JCanete Oct 2018 #146

I know karynnj Oct 2018 #169

Bernie would need to run as a Dem to have any chance of winning. I don't see the Dems letting jalan48 Oct 2018 #2

um....who are the dems. Kind of thought it was us. Kind of think, given how popular he is with dems JCanete Oct 2018 #12

I believe him when he switched back to Independent. R B Garr Oct 2018 #28

He Ran In The Vermont Dem Senate Primary & Won Me. Oct 2018 #34

Exactly, and how anyone can ignore this is bizarre. R B Garr Oct 2018 #44

Agreed Me. Oct 2018 #49

Good question. I don't see how there aren't any questions R B Garr Oct 2018 #86

Yeah, that's right. He ran with the Dem Party of Vermont's blessing, because this way we on the left JCanete Oct 2018 #50

"don't compete against each other". What hypocrisy. R B Garr Oct 2018 #53

what the hell are you talking about? I just laid out for you why he runs as a democrat, JCanete Oct 2018 #56

You aren't inside his brain, so you only "laid out" what R B Garr Oct 2018 #62

Sure if you want to define establishment your way. Its not the way I define it. It is counter to JCanete Oct 2018 #63

You keep contradicting yourself. R B Garr Oct 2018 #70

in what regard? How did I contradict myself? I may have been crappy at conveying my point, but JCanete Oct 2018 #76

You keep presenting side steps as to why Bernie ran as a Democrat. R B Garr Oct 2018 #80

Do you think he should have run in the GE as an independent? Answer honestly. nt JCanete Oct 2018 #85

We know why he used the Democrats, so why did he R B Garr Oct 2018 #87

I've explained why he ran as a democrat. If you think another way is viable for any of us, I'd JCanete Oct 2018 #88

It's public information in his own words why he ran R B Garr Oct 2018 #113

I'd like to see him run as a Dem but I don't see it happening. Too much what happened for some. jalan48 Oct 2018 #47

Yes, it's US, which includes the person you responded to, me, and many other registered Democrats. George II Oct 2018 #123

that's right, and if you haven't been paying attention, he is still popular among democrats. He may JCanete Oct 2018 #142

SOME Democrats. George II Oct 2018 #148

Most Democrats. that doesn't mean most will prefer him over another option in the Primary, but JCanete Oct 2018 #154

"Most" means more than any other, I don't think so. Where do you get that "most Democrats" from? George II Oct 2018 #157

No it doesn't. It just means most democrats actually like him. Look at the polling. The last one JCanete Oct 2018 #159

The only favorability ratings I've seen are of Senators/politicans from their own home states, not.. George II Oct 2018 #162

Link below. from 2017. JCanete Oct 2018 #167

Wasn't that in his own state? Why do we have to keep going through this. R B Garr Oct 2018 #165

that was the most recent one, sure, and in that thread I stated that the title was overplaying it. JCanete Oct 2018 #166

BERNIE is not even a Democrat!!! trueblue2007 Oct 2018 #93

OMG!! jalan48 Oct 2018 #99

EXACTLY! He says that over and over again. Nt helpisontheway Oct 2018 #127

I see this as a smart move to keep his lucrative speaking/book fees up grantcart Oct 2018 #3

Not to mention, the media treats any potential President - no matter how unlikely - karynnj Oct 2018 #19

Actually, reality is so much better to go by. His "strong voice" R B Garr Oct 2018 #21

Lucrative speaking fees? progressoid Oct 2018 #39

Most of the increase was from publishing, but the point is he increased his income by 500% grantcart Oct 2018 #61

Ah, I see. progressoid Oct 2018 #90

How do you walk around with that chip on your shoulder? grantcart Oct 2018 #97

Hahaha! progressoid Oct 2018 #128

Jimmy Carter has been a private citizen for 3.8 decades, how many books did he write.... George II Oct 2018 #138

LMGTFY... progressoid Oct 2018 #139

The comment was: George II Oct 2018 #118

Yup. progressoid Oct 2018 #129

I'll worry when he starts appearing before Goldman Sachs. jalan48 Oct 2018 #72

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2018 #4

Same here. If Bernie wins our primary, I am 1000% behind him in the General. Blue_true Oct 2018 #133

I knew it! I don't understand how anyone who has been paying attention thoughgt lunamagica Oct 2018 #5

GTFO Bernie. Adrahil Oct 2018 #6

deep...what bullshit are you even referring to here? and why do you think its acceptable to bash JCanete Oct 2018 #13

You really need to read the Mueller indictments if you're R B Garr Oct 2018 #18

Then state those facts and don't make me try to figure out what your point is. I agree Clinton was JCanete Oct 2018 #27

Look at the post you responded to. R B Garr Oct 2018 #30

Ya want a list? Adrahil Oct 2018 #24

that's what primaries are for. Do you have a problem with primaries? Do you have a problem with JCanete Oct 2018 #33

OFFS.... Adrahil Oct 2018 #37

We know why he ran as a Democrat, and you are ignoring it. R B Garr Oct 2018 #46

Garr, what value is it accusing me of knowing or hiding somethign that you refuse to articulate? JCanete Oct 2018 #55

No need to "articulate" a public fact. Remember the whole R B Garr Oct 2018 #58

Establishment is not a smear. There is political machinery. There is a dogma that goes along with it JCanete Oct 2018 #59

LOL, that didn't take long. Now Establishment is not R B Garr Oct 2018 #64

a smear is a lie. What did I say that was a lie. nt JCanete Oct 2018 #66

Now back to the obtuse? Who benefitted from running as the R B Garr Oct 2018 #75

ok, no idea what you're talking about. so benefitting from running as the anti-establishment JCanete Oct 2018 #77

You have no idea because you keep contradicting yourself. nt R B Garr Oct 2018 #83

That very same establishment he joined when it was useful and convenient LanternWaste Oct 2018 #68

hey lantern, haven't heard you pull the sacred cows out of your arsenal for a while now. JCanete Oct 2018 #73

Shocker awesomerwb1 Oct 2018 #7

Bernie was not able to beat Hillary one on on in 2016 SolidBlueDem Oct 2018 #8

I agree there is no way he'll win the nom... Adrahil Oct 2018 #25

That is solid logic there... disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #177

I will vote for the Democratic nominee leftynyc Oct 2018 #9

Not many homeowners invite a guest back who's trashed the house once already. LanternWaste Oct 2018 #71

He's not a Democrat leftynyc Oct 2018 #79

Nooooo!!!! Do not want!!!! Initech Oct 2018 #10

OFFS. We don't need the division this will cause. nolabear Oct 2018 #14

I hope to get a chance to vote for Bernie again! RandiFan1290 Oct 2018 #16

+1.nt Snotcicles Oct 2018 #51

At 80, he can't promise, he'd wake up tomorrow, every day you wake up is a good day at 80.... sunonmars Oct 2018 #20

True, but Ouch! I'n 82. Thanks for reminding me of my pending mortality.. justhanginon Oct 2018 #125

maybe he wants to retire JI7 Oct 2018 #22

which would be fair enough, he's done his work. sunonmars Oct 2018 #26

If Beto wins Texas, he is our next president! AlexSFCA Oct 2018 #29

Of course this is from The Hill. The other day their "false headline" said that Hillary was still_one Oct 2018 #31

Sanders or Hillary are NOT going to be the Democratic nominee. The truth is they represent still_one Oct 2018 #35

Agreed. democratisphere Oct 2018 #45

I agree Rizen Oct 2018 #164

Show us the tax returns. MrsCoffee Oct 2018 #41

All of them. Cha Oct 2018 #60

How's he going to run when he isn't even a member of the party? Blue_Tires Oct 2018 #48

Yet he blocked a real Democrat from running. WhiteTara Oct 2018 #52

? Omaha Steve Oct 2018 #65

He runs as a democrat in the primaries WhiteTara Oct 2018 #67

Who did he block from running? Omaha Steve Oct 2018 #69

I really don't remember. There was a big WhiteTara Oct 2018 #78

Got me Omaha Steve Oct 2018 #82

Okay, you made me look it up. WhiteTara Oct 2018 #96

Didn't block from running Omaha Steve Oct 2018 #109

It was just the way he did it WhiteTara Oct 2018 #120

It is nice to be able to get out and about Omaha Steve Oct 2018 #179

And He Won Me. Oct 2018 #122

Yep. If I were the challenger, I might file WhiteTara Oct 2018 #124

Bernie, please go take a seat. EffieBlack Oct 2018 #54

That's the plan. And then in 2020, he may or may not run for President. nt JCanete Oct 2018 #57

+1. He can take several. n/t Tarheel_Dem Oct 2018 #147

I'll give him mine ... EffieBlack Oct 2018 #152

My pearls! My pearls! hopeforchange2008 Oct 2018 #74

I liked Sen Sanders tazkcmo Oct 2018 #81

I love Bernie and I feel the same way. We need new blood. And I thik he is to old. But if it zonkers Oct 2018 #84

Oh hell no.🤮 we can do it Oct 2018 #89

Sen. Sanders won't win a primary IMHO and I am not certain he will run anyway so he will serve Demsrule86 Oct 2018 #98

So on a morning StuckInTexas Oct 2018 #100

Remember that TV show Columbo? And he'd have all these actors who were big once Squinch Oct 2018 #102

At least he is honest Raven123 Oct 2018 #103

sanders will get far less support tan in 2016 if he runs Gothmog Oct 2018 #105

Had 2016 featured a bigger field of candidates it's unlikely he would have ever had much success BannonsLiver Oct 2018 #132

He needs to not run in 2020 Bettie Oct 2018 #107

Welcome back to office, pResident Trump, luv Bernie and Susan Sarandon. kerry-is-my-prez Oct 2018 #108

Bernie Sanders is not a viable candidate for 2020. PoindexterOglethorpe Oct 2018 #110

Nope. ismnotwasm Oct 2018 #115

So what exactly was the point of his announcement? Bfd Oct 2018 #116

Of course not..he wants the angry Susan Sarandon's of the world helpisontheway Oct 2018 #126

Nothing divides the Left quite like Bernie Sanders. elocs Oct 2018 #130

Bernie May be in for a rude awakening if he runs BannonsLiver Oct 2018 #131

I hope that he does not chum the water with democratic blood if he loses the nomination in 2020. Blue_true Oct 2018 #134

Only if he is stepping on other toes or they are stepping on his. Harris, Booker and Biden will JCanete Oct 2018 #144

"If" he is stepping on other toes? MrsCoffee Oct 2018 #150

Point was whether or not he'd be splitting the particularly progressive/liberal democratic vote with JCanete Oct 2018 #153

What part about concealing his tax returns do you like? That is more contradiction R B Garr Oct 2018 #155

Not at all. I think he should show his tax returns. I think that it is a knock against him that he JCanete Oct 2018 #158

So you are contradicting yourself again. This is what is observable about the R B Garr Oct 2018 #163

No it isn't completely different standards. Where can you point to me having different standards? JCanete Oct 2018 #168

More contradictions. And double standards. You were admonishing another R B Garr Oct 2018 #170

I need you to tell me exactly what you think the Mueller indictments say. What point JCanete Oct 2018 #171

Most of the myths you are perpetuating are just that. They aren't supported R B Garr Oct 2018 #172

actually, you're right, I can see how that might have sounded dismissive of the whole JCanete Oct 2018 #173

Why do you keep trying to get people to refight the primaries??? R B Garr Oct 2018 #174

I actually agree that those emails weren't that bad, but some people reacted strongly to them, JCanete Oct 2018 #176

It all started by your omission of why Sanders' ran as a Democrat. R B Garr Oct 2018 #178

So are you suggesting that next time he runs, if he runs, he'll do it as an independant now JCanete Oct 2018 #180

It's obvious why he didn't run as an Independent. Look at how he runs in R B Garr Oct 2018 #181

Both need each other. I've explained it over and over. You've ignored my explanation, presumably JCanete Oct 2018 #182

This is another distraction where you want someone to go through your posts, R B Garr Oct 2018 #183

okay cool. I have no way of responding to another pile of nothing. Specifics, or I have no way of JCanete Oct 2018 #186

Funny how you spend two days denying current news in favor of some worn out R B Garr Oct 2018 #187

This is the way I see it playing out madville Oct 2018 #151

That does sound like a real possibility, though if it comes to pass, that will almost certainly JCanete Oct 2018 #156

I am calling it.... disillusioned73 Oct 2018 #175

Oh, good grief! Just STFU, Sen Sanders! KCDebbie Oct 2018 #184

At what point is he going to be a member of the Democratic Party again? Doodley Oct 2018 #185

Please don't even think about it. You're too old. I speak from experience. Thirties Child Oct 2018 #188