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SixthSense

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5. I got slammed a few days ago for pointing that out

Reply to Better Believe It (Original post)

Tue Jan 3, 2012, 10:54 PM

Jan 2012

"Obama and the majority Democrats in the Senate dug this hole for themselves when they failed to curtail the filibuster in January 2009 and 2011 by majority vote. They doomed themselves to the numerically impossible hurdle of needing 60 votes to pass any measure and avoid filibusters."

However, you will notice that when they want to do really evil things (e.g. NDAA) there is bipartisan support and not even a whisper of a filibuster. Draw your own conclusions...

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Ralph Nader: "Why aren't the Democrats landsliding today's Republicans?" [View all] Better Believe It Jan 2012 OP

Because assholes like Nader keep promoting the RW meme that both parties are the same. baldguy Jan 2012 #1

I didn't know that right-wing Republicans (RW) are promoting the idea that they are like Democrats Better Believe It Jan 2012 #4

That's how the GOP has maintained power even though they've been the minority party for 40 yrs. baldguy Jan 2012 #18

if that corruption theory holds getdown Jan 2012 #30

Dems are generally less corrupt than Republicans. Generally. baldguy Jan 2012 #39

so why ignore the lobbying point? getdown Jan 2012 #44

+1000 ellisonz Jan 2012 #9

Ralph is a jerkbag coward. Afraid to confront the GOP party. A yellow belly. n/t deacon Jan 2012 #20

You bet me to it oh and BTW Fuck Yourself Nadir! n/t BlueToTheBone Jan 2012 #23

+1,000,000,000,000 HuckleB Jan 2012 #71

Beat me to the punch. Thank you. When you have people saying Suji to Seoul Jan 2012 #75

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2012 #123

Precisely. (nt) redqueen Jan 2012 #127

In my opinion if Nader cared about the Democratic Party Angry Dragon Jan 2012 #2

He's a repuke...why would he care about the BlueToTheBone Jan 2012 #25

Nadar crawled out of his hole today? JoePhilly Jan 2012 #3

The Undead cast no shadow. Ikonoklast Jan 2012 #8

lol treestar Jan 2012 #12

I got slammed a few days ago for pointing that out SixthSense Jan 2012 #5

Read this ^^^^ Charlemagne Jan 2012 #128

Because ProSense Jan 2012 #6

Fuck Nader. Odin2005 Jan 2012 #7

Fuck Nader...nt SidDithers Jan 2012 #10

How long do you think we'll have to wait for an intelligent rebuttal of Nader's article? Better Believe It Jan 2012 #11

Good question. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #14

Here: ProSense Jan 2012 #15

I think he meant on the issues. randome Jan 2012 #21

I ProSense Jan 2012 #28

I'm missing something, too. randome Jan 2012 #29

They have better getdown Jan 2012 #32

Which ProSense Jan 2012 #38

wait getdown Jan 2012 #40

Sure ProSense Jan 2012 #46

Couldn't get pass(sic) the title. nt Electric Monk Jan 2012 #74

Yikes! ProSense Jan 2012 #88

Actually ProSense Jan 2012 #36

That wasn't it! Logical Jan 2012 #87

Of course you couldn't. LanternWaste Jan 2012 #93

Nader, being an asshole Summer Hathaway Jan 2012 #16

+1 ellisonz Jan 2012 #47

That makes it pretty easy then, call someone an asshole and avoid the content of TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #69

Church Lady? Summer Hathaway Jan 2012 #72

So you simply don't do content. Why not say so instead of hiding behind assholes? TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #109

Huh? Summer Hathaway Jan 2012 #112

+1 Johonny Jan 2012 #79

Maybe nader has no interest in the Iowa GOP Caucus. JoePhilly Jan 2012 #17

If you read his comments on the Republicans in the article you would know the answer! Better Believe It Jan 2012 #33

There are a few facts in there Robb Jan 2012 #26

The heart of the EFCA was card check and it has not been implemented by the White House. Better Believe It Jan 2012 #42

Incorrect. Robb Jan 2012 #45

Do you subscribe to only RW newsletters? brentspeak Jan 2012 #55

Nader is unsafe at any speed. Major Hogwash Jan 2012 #98

"He's the best President in decades for unions"? Did he make an effort to turn back NAFTA? AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #101

Count the union endorsements. Then visit the following link: Robb Jan 2012 #102

Who else are they going to endorse? Gingrich? Romney? Paul? AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #105

but that would require getdown Jan 2012 #34

Why do you only quote articles about losers like Nader? Major Hogwash Jan 2012 #37

Did you really expect that? sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #60

Word. ronnie624 Jan 2012 #76

Thank you that is very nice of you to say. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #78

It's more than disappointing, it's dispiriting whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #107

Yup. nt woo me with science Jan 2012 #108

Pay me to write articles, and I'll happily do it. joshcryer Jan 2012 #65

I have a buck fifty in bottles and cans davidpdx Jan 2012 #90

here's one bigtree Jan 2012 #92

Blame the Republicans for their use of the filibuster treestar Jan 2012 #13

The fake Republican "procedural filibusters" could have been stopped by the Democrats. Better Believe It Jan 2012 #51

Baloney treestar Jan 2012 #106

That is true, the blame here goes to Reid and our caucus. TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #110

K&R for truth slay Jan 2012 #19

@#$% Ralph Nader. n/t Scurrilous Jan 2012 #22

I like Ralph izquierdista Jan 2012 #24

them are getdown Jan 2012 #35

That we should change the Senate rules? n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #48

How ProSense Jan 2012 #52

It's downright fucking ignorant. ellisonz Jan 2012 #56

By not changing Senate rules, Democrats left Republicans in possession of the weapon they've used smokey nj Jan 2012 #91

You don't got it... ellisonz Jan 2012 #96

I get it just fine. smokey nj Jan 2012 #99

The Supreme Court indicates it to be close to humbug status anyway. TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #111

He sure is powerful. Lol. And he was right all along as has become sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #61

what just because getdown Jan 2012 #68

Because most people have no idea WTF is going on in politics and will blame the President for everyt FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #27

i don't blame him for anything getdown Jan 2012 #43

I'm referring to Nader wondering why the D's aren't having a landslide. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #50

It's a good question getdown Jan 2012 #54

I used to say "Fuck Ralph" - but not any more FreakinDJ Jan 2012 #31

how'd that happen? getdown Jan 2012 #41

Ralph Nader is a tool for the right. ellisonz Jan 2012 #53

I do remember that debate in 2005. Democratic Senators caved in to Republicans. Better Believe It Jan 2012 #57

It wasn't a question of caving or not caving. ellisonz Jan 2012 #66

Fake filibusters need to be destroyed. Senators should be required to filibuster in a filibuster! Better Believe It Jan 2012 #94

No such agreement was made on SCOTUS picks was made. n/t ellisonz Jan 2012 #95

Do you believe that agreement did not apply to Bush's Supreme Court nominees? Better Believe It Jan 2012 #119

they are, ralph. spanone Jan 2012 #49

I bet you were one of the 'progressives' who voted for Nader in 2000 book_worm Jan 2012 #58

yeah getdown Jan 2012 #63

In the ballpark... Bobbie Jo Jan 2012 #67

Gore won in 2000. Nader had no effect. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #116

Simply put. CanSocDem Jan 2012 #120

It's the difference between blaming a gadfly... JackRiddler Jan 2012 #122

Because the far left would rather attack the center left than deal with reality Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #59

The *authoritarian* left would rather attack the moderate left than deal with reality. joshcryer Jan 2012 #62

what he said getdown Jan 2012 #64

Fuck Nader Rincewind Jan 2012 #70

Hey Ralph Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2012 #73

It takes 51 votes to change the Senate rules. Nader is right, and Harry Reid has no guts. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2012 #77

Lost opportunity. sabrina 1 Jan 2012 #80

Harry Reid has triggered the nuclear option before. joshcryer Jan 2012 #85

What am I supposed to use this for? Toilet paper? nt BootinUp Jan 2012 #81

Are you insane, it's on a screen. How will you flush it? JackRiddler Jan 2012 #117

as much as i hate to stoop to symbolism BootinUp Jan 2012 #118

I have a question. CanSocDem Jan 2012 #121

Despite Nader being an asshat, his point is valid... Scuba Jan 2012 #82

.... Because they don't agree with Ralph??? quaker bill Jan 2012 #83

Thanks for posting and taking the obligatory heat. mmonk Jan 2012 #84

They have no desire to. They want to be as close to being the Republicans as possible and still have TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #86

Once again, Nader is an urban legend BklnDem75 Jan 2012 #89

The Republicans funded his last campaign because he's a freak. Major Hogwash Jan 2012 #97

Nader makes some good points in the article paulk Jan 2012 #100

Differenes Johnny2X2X Jan 2012 #103

So, the "Democrats [are not] landsliding today's Republicans" because some posters hate Nader? AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #104

Nader bad! Errrrrr... leeroysphitz Jan 2012 #113

A good compromise is to go kind of regressive with the whole deal. TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #114

Saint Ralph. Where has he had his head stuck? nt bluestate10 Jan 2012 #115

"...they failed to curtail the filibuster..." WOW! Ignorant on many fronts! Obama is NOT congress or uponit7771 Jan 2012 #124

It's amazing that Ralph doesn't see the irony. Why didn't he landslide them? Tarheel_Dem Jan 2012 #125

Well why didn't Nader "landslide"? CreekDog Jan 2012 #126