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Awsi Dooger

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16. It will be interesting to see how close 538 comes to the House generic margin
Mon Nov 5, 2018, 05:11 PM
Nov 2018

Currently Nate Silver has it at 8.5% gap -- 50.6 to 42.1 -- while Real Clear politics is at Democrats +7.3.

The difference is adjustments. Nate amends polls based on the tendencies of the firm while RCP throws them up at face value. It can be tricky when dealing with adjustments. For example, 538 adjusts the Rasmussen generic ballot margin 3 points toward Democrats while the Trump approval adjustment with Rasmussen is 5 or 6 points lower. I think Nate would concede his generic model is in its infancy, and likewise the House and senate and governorship models. The models he is using now will be tinkered with prior to 2020.

The House generic polling hasn't been particularly accurate. The average error on RCP beginning in 2002 is 2.5%. In 2010 RCP badly overstated the GOP margin, finalizing at +9.4 when it ended up +6.8. It's easy to see what happened: All the double digit polls that don't resemble the real world shoved the number up to 9.4 in the final weeks. There were contributions from Rasmussen and others in the 10-15 range. Imagine how bad it would have been at +9.4, when Republicans managed +63 seats even with +6.8?

At least we are polling the generic ballot frequently by multiple companies as opposed to relying on polling in individual House districts, which are sporadic and unreliable to say the least. Generic margin is easily the greatest indicator, especially if the polling improves to determine what will play out. The 1994 red wave was a surprise largely because generic polling wasn't emphasized and the handful of polls that were done did not catch the Republican margin. I remember some polls a week or two out insisting that Democrats led. Only Gallup disagreed but they had it closer to even and not the +7.1 margin that played out, equating to 54 seats lost.

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Actually, I think he only had Clinton at 60% cos dem Nov 2018 #1
71.4 to 28.6 OnlinePoker Nov 2018 #3
That is not a landslide. Blue_true Nov 2018 #7
Those are odds on a single race. OilemFirchen Nov 2018 #14
And to Silver's credit... that was 25 points less than any other poll analysts had it jcgoldie Nov 2018 #26
Those are probabilities Loki Liesmith Nov 2018 #30
If Nate gets this election wrong... dubyadiprecession Nov 2018 #2
He was not wrong in 2016! Nt USALiberal Nov 2018 #6
He doesn't run a polling firm. Adrahil Nov 2018 #9
If Nate got 2016 "right" he should have been booted out of his profession Awsi Dooger Nov 2018 #13
James Comey is the one who flubbed 2016. (eom) StevieM Nov 2018 #22
I agree Awsi Dooger Nov 2018 #25
And don't forget, dumbass won by essentially a fluke. cos dem Nov 2018 #34
Nate doesn't have a polling firm Loki Liesmith Nov 2018 #31
Well To Be Fair, She Did Have The Votes Me. Nov 2018 #4
I think the busters and other idiots tripped her up. Blue_true Nov 2018 #8
Also Me. Nov 2018 #11
"Corporate Whore" Small-Axe Nov 2018 #17
THIS Me. Nov 2018 #18
The fake email scandal could never have taken root to nearly that degree if it was used against StevieM Nov 2018 #21
So True Me. Nov 2018 #24
Comey was more important than any of those factors. He dominated that election from start to finish. StevieM Nov 2018 #20
I've been waiting for his forecast to improve with the Senate statistics. Baitball Blogger Nov 2018 #5
Not going to happen Awsi Dooger Nov 2018 #28
Double post Awsi Dooger Nov 2018 #29
No prob. Thanks for the info. Baitball Blogger Nov 2018 #33
I remember how many people road Nate Silver exboyfil Nov 2018 #10
I could give a fuck maxsolomon Nov 2018 #12
The fact you use the terrm "landslide" in reference to Silver's 2016 polling... Hassin Bin Sober Nov 2018 #15
It will be interesting to see how close 538 comes to the House generic margin Awsi Dooger Nov 2018 #16
As far over that half way point as we can push it! crosinski Nov 2018 #19
CNN says a GOP source says Trump's racist immigration rhetoric may have cost them election JonLP24 Nov 2018 #23
Even Republicans thought they would lose in 2016 marylandblue Nov 2018 #27
Same with me Awsi Dooger Nov 2018 #32
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